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#1142086
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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After three visions, this is what I can say (trying not to spoil too much, but a bit anyway):

This film is, with regard to the form as the content, a rupture with the previous films:

-With regard to the contents:
o all stories tell and show that you have to be free from the past:
 -Forgetting the Jedi and their order
 -Questioning the authority and the established order
 -Breaking what is built
O All “historical” characters are challenged
 -They are turned into derisory
 -They die
 -Their authority is challenged
 -They refuse to remain heroes and want to pass the hand, or be forgotten, or both
o The very notion of filiation is treated in this way
 -The answer to the origins of Rey (who are his parents) goes in this direction
 -Kylo explains his whole approach by the need to free himself from his father, and no longer seeks to be a new Vader

-With regard to the form
o all the visual and narrative codes of the “Star Wars visual grammar” are defeated or rejected
 - There is no longer slide transitions between the plans (except for 2 ou 3 plans)
 - There are flashbacks
 - The story resumes where it had stopped (there is no longer a temporal ellipse narrated in the introductory text)
 - The texts of the posters were in red
 - The film is much longer than usual (152 minutes)

O Several plans are humorous (eg: close-up on a iron) or dreamlike (ex: Flying Leia, this dreamlike plan is for me the biggest failure of this film)
O Several plans contain “human” references (e.g. Arabic numerals on the gauge of Poe’s ship and on the gateways of the imperial vessel - edit: ZkinandBonez pointed that there were also arabic numerals in the OT; champagne bottles at the casino, piano music at the casino, irons)
o We multiply the plot arcs (where, previously, there were one or two stories to follow, there is now much more that intermingle)

Unfortunately, if it is good to destroy everything, then we have to propose something new. And here, in my opinion, there is a problem. The director does not innovate at all, on the contrary: it multiplies the common visual effects (eg: jumps in space of a cohort of ships that recalls Battlestar Galactica 2004, slow-accelerated in a “Matrix” way, fields-contrefields filled with Philosophical Dialogues in a “Star Trek” way, humorous shots just like “Space Balls” or punchlines similar to the “Guardians of the Galaxy”…)
But nothing new, original or proprietary in all this. We are clearly no longer in a Star Wars visual grammar, but in a good SF film fairly anonymous on the form.

There remains an interesting and well conducted story (despite a few lengths that we would gladly avoid) that shows, repeatedly during 2H32, operations that are doomed to failure. Failures whom, paradoxically, the accumulation will lead to a victory: all the acts of rebellion fail miserably one after the other (loss of the Bombers then of the entire fleet, inability to escape from the tracking, operation “find the hacker” which is sold by a fiasco, operation “hacking” in the Imperial ship that also fails, final battle on Crait which is sold by a breakaway, failing to have been able to destroy the enemy cannon …)
But the film shows that the approach of rebellion as such is more important than the result obtained. It is this approach, this mindset, that will allow to swarm with a new generation. In short: the mindset is more important than the result. We are in an anti-Sartre story: We are not the sum of our actions, but the sum of our intentions.

Finally, the interest in this film lies in the close relationship between form and substance: The director himself probably fails to propose anything new, but his approach of rupture (of rebellion) is nonetheless interesting, laudable and probably beneficial in the long term for the Star Wars franchise, just as in the story he tells us.

For the rest, I enjoyed the dialogues, the first half hour, some visually impressive shots (eg: some use of light speed at the end of the film), and the direction of actors.

In short, it is and upsetting film: neither any good, nor any bad, but disappointing to want to destroy everything without being truly able to propose something new. I sometimes felt that the director was a little too ambitious: if Denis Villeneuve managed to reinvent Blade Runner without saying that he was, Rian Johnson fails to reinvent Star Wars while, for two and a half hours, he tells us he will do it.

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#1139624
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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joefavs said:

A word of warning: the TLJ Visual Dictionary has leaked and photos of every single page are bouncing around the internet. I read the Luke and Snoke sections and found it to be a lot of cool lore and no real plot spoilers, but then the Leia entry was very spoilery and I stopped reading. I’m told the Poe page is even worse. Proceed with caution.

Thanks a lot for this warning!

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#1139340
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Dealing with People Selling Fan Projects
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Frank your Majesty said:

Han Shot First said:

scotchka said:

Han Shot First said:

I think you guys are all misunderstanding LDS entertainment. They make it very clear that you are not being charged for the discs, you are being charged as compensation for the money that they spent to put the set together. Whether they are making a profit or not is impossible to tell (it is highly probable that they are), but selling artwork is not a crime, even if it is of copyrighted material. Therefor, LDS has done nothing illegal. The only issue is morality, which I will admit is shaky in this circumstance, but as far as legality, there is really nothing to worry about with these people.

Hi LDS entertainment!

I am not from LDS I have been a member here since before LDS was a thing. I’ll admit I don’t really know much about copyright laws, I was just offering my own take on the issue. Sorry if I said anything that offended you guys, you all know more about this than me hahaha

There was nothing offensive about your post. You were simply wrong.

The question was never wether fan-edits were legal. They are not. So any way of distributing fan-edits, no matter if paid or for free, is technically a copyright infringement.

The community came up with a way to at least morally justify what they are doing. Not charging people for fan-edits is part of that. Anyone selling fan-edits on ebay is therefore legally and morally in the wrong.

IMHO, that’s the best summary of this whole question.

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#1139145
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Dealing with People Selling Fan Projects
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HerekittykittyX said:

pittrek said:

  1. They are sending you copyrighted material without the permission of the copyright owner.
  2. In exchange they ask from you money
  3. The copyrighted material is a derivative work, not tranformative work, it’s complete and not just a few clips, and it’s not provided for criticism, scholarship, commentary, parody or news reporting.

So I don’t know like you but I all I see is selling illegal copies of copyrighted material

Hi *** entertainment

The Force is strong with this one…

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#1139110
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Dealing with People Selling Fan Projects
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Han Shot First said:

I think you guys are all misunderstanding *** entertainment. They make it very clear that you are not being charged for the discs, you are being charged as compensation for the money that they spent to put the set together. Whether they are making a profit or not is impossible to tell (it is highly probable that they are), but selling artwork is not a crime, even if it is of copyrighted material. Therefor, *** has done nothing illegal. The only issue is morality, which I will admit is shaky in this circumstance, but as far as legality, there is really nothing to worry about with these people.

So wrong, you clearly don’t know anything about copyright laws.

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#1136215
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Preserving &quot;French&quot; Original Trilogy - ANH V1.0 released - ESB in progress
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Bonjour Yotsuba.
Un immeeeeeeense merci pour ce boulot, votre VF est devenue la version officielle que pourra voir ma fille dans quelques années (elle a deux ans et demi…).
Une petite question qui me tracasse : d’où vient la typo du générique de fin ? Quelle est la police utilisée ? Savez-vous pourquoi elle est différente de la version originale ?
Je me doute bien que vous avez consciencieusement choisi la bonne police, mais pourquoi les gens qui ont fait la version française n’ont pas gardé la police originale ? Et du coup, quelle est la police que vous avez utilisée pour qu’elle “matche” avec celle de la VF d’époque ?
Encore merci en tout cas pour ce petit chef-d’oeuvre…

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#1135548
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The Prequel Trilogy showdown
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Destinyg133 said:

So as far as PT goes, it kinda doesnt matter which version im going for? Only OT was altered to the point of serious changing?

IMHO, TPM was also altered to the point of serious changing (maybe even more than ANH) : new scenes, deleted scenes, scenes recut in another order, new colors, new framings, Yoda totally remade with CGI… AOTC and ROTS are quite similar between theaters and Blu-ray.

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#1135522
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The Prequel Trilogy showdown
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Cobra Kai said:

TV’s Frink said:

Cobra Kai said:

It really doesn’t matter. You aren’t missing anything either way, so I would probably just grab the blu rays and experience them the same way that everyone else did. The PT fan edits are the equivalent of spraying air freshener on a huge pile of horseshit.

I’d rather nice smelling crap that terrible smelling crap, if I have to choose.

If nothing else, fanedits are shorter.

And what do you mean by “experience them the same way that everyone else did?” That’s not the Blu-rays.

Yeah sorry, should have specified. The blu rays versions are a little different, sure, but nothing that would change the viewing experience, other than the fact that you dont get to see the horrible yoda puppet. As far as I know all other changes are very minor, so you are essentially watching the exact same movies, but in a better picture quality compared to the theatrical dvd’s. But again, either way, it doesn’t matter… Blu ray, dvd, vhs… Pick your poison.

In TPM, the podrace is very different.

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#1135518
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The Prequel Trilogy showdown
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Destinyg133 said:

ZigZig said:

I think that TPM desserves to be watched in its theatrical version: all that was boring in theaters is even more boring on Blu-ray (the podrace, which was already very long in theaters, is now endless; the added taxi scene just gives you more of Jar Jar; CGI-Yoda adds more videogame-like CGI air to the movie…).
But the only current way to see the theatrical version of TPM is a Laserdisc preservation or Adywan’s reconstruction (which is not in HD, and contains some minor oversights).

Tbh i was thinking about TPM in theatrical, and i saw on forums adywans version, but what do you mean by some minor oversights

Adywan forgot to remove one added CGI effect (there is a new bridge near Naboo Palace that was not in the theatrical version).