Mike’s live on YouTube talking about Legacy.
Thank you !
Mike’s live on YouTube talking about Legacy.
Thank you !
The colors are definitely more accurate than the DVD/HDTV, since they were not yet regraded by Lucasfilm. And the HLD-X0 player that I used is famous to render the colors without any artefact. But it remains a NTSC Laserdisc, so colors are never 100% accurate : Never Twice the Same Colors…
IMHO, they are a little bit too greenish. The SD captures (ORF1 and Scandinavian C+) seem to be more accurate than the Laserdisc: for the few scenes that were not regraded on the DVD, colors are 100% similar to the ORF1 SD capture.
Anyway, IIRC, the master used for the LD was taken from an interpositive, so the colors are close to a theatrical experience, but not 100% the same.
Well, then I would want to thank you once more for your work, this tool is really something great 😃
I was wondering if you do have plans on adding batch support to it and multiple threads? Like you could just make list of tests images and references to it and make them export it to LUT automatically. Could leave it overnight to do the work. I can run 8 calculations at once to hit 100% of CPU usage, but setting them up manually takes some time, so threads could be very nice thing too.
I really appriciate your hard work on this, your tool is just fantastic.
Thanks for the compliments! There may be a version with automated processing in the near future. Multithreading is not possible at this point.
Thank you (again) for this amazing software.
Did you eventually make a version with batch support (automated processing)?
I managed to get a real HD quality for the three missing scenes (arrival on Coruscant, Senate, Night on Theed) and it will be - very soon - available in the “Despecialized” TPM I’m currently finishing.
BTW, there is a little more than those three scenes (ea : the night on Tatooine, digitally shot, was totally regraded for the DVD, with additional and missing frames).
I’m really tempted to do the 97 SE LD (PAL + NTSC, so that a PaNup could achieve a nearly-HD quality). The DC and the Faces are already available in very good quality, is there an interest in recapturing them?
Chase Adams said:
The Eopie sequence is yet another reason why the prequels are secretly brilliant. George employs the use of fundamental filmmaking techniques to immerse viewers into the storytelling experience and most importantly, entertain them. Let me explain, the great filmmaker Alfred Hitchcock defined the difference between mystery in a film and suspense in a film as:
“Mystery is when the spectator knows less than the characters in the movie. Suspense is when the spectator knows more than the characters in the movie."
In the case of the Eopie, there is a distinct sense of mystery surrounding the theatrical cut of the fart. We are calmly watching Jar Jar toiling away at the pod when suddenly, he is bombarded by an overpowering odour. We are surprised by this as we had never suspected such a thing to occur beforehand.
In the extended cut of the fart, we see the Eopie from the very beginning, we watch with suspense as he snorts in agony, waiting for something to happen, we know more than Jar Jar at this point and are the only ones aware of this approaching storm.
I ask you, which is more effective?
THAT is why I love this forum 😃
Hayden Christensen made a truly credible force ghost.
@freetheworld: Plldwn refers to reversing the telecine process.
Althor1138 preserved almost every LaserDisc related to Star Wars: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-Laserdisc-Preservations-See-1st-Post-for-Updates/id/15283
IIRC, all his preservations were done by applying an inverse telecine filter (IVTC).
Don’t hesitate to read the many topics already dedicated to this question, and especially the incredible work done by DrDre.
Good luck with your project!
I don’t want to discourage you, but be aware that you’ll face a lot of issues, such as :
The best way to watch the original film in their near-to-original colors stands probably in the 4Kxx, the TN1 or the Despecialized Editions.
So… does anybody know where I can find English forced subs and synced Theatrical DTS audio for this, if they exist?
English forced subs will be provided soon (here), thanks to Schorman who captured the original Closed Caption.
I don’t think that the Theatrical DTS audio is synced to the LD (there are some minor timing issues on the LD, such as missing frames, probably due to the original telecine process, so the Theatrical DTS won’t be perfectly synced).
The aim of this preservation was only to provide complete capture of the laserdisc, not to make it syncable with other sources by modifying it, adding frames or audio tracks that didn’t exist on the original discs.
Bobson Dugnutt said:
How does this compare to your PaNup SDTV copy of the Theatrical Cut? I tried comparing them in VLC but I didn’t see anything too different.
It’s difficult to compare, I personnaly should say that this LD preservation is better than the PaNup thing :
Pros : sharpness, colors, sound and average quality are, by far, better in this LD preservation than in the PaNup SDTV copy (which was a merge of 2 poors sources with lot of artefacts compression)
Cons : the usual LD issues are present (ghost artefact in some scenes), the lack of vertical details is visible in some scenes (ex: the horizontal lines on the screen of the Neimoidians in the first scene are not visible here)
Regardless of the differences to it though, seems like this is the definitive version of the Laserdisc. Did you rip this from a sealed copy? Your post implies so.
Actually, I did rip 2 sealed copy and 1 not-sealed copy.
But both sealed copy had major crosstalk issues (mainly in the blue sky around 00:50:00), that the already-opened one didn’t show. So it was difficult to apply a TooT filter.
Sorry to read about this issue.
I tried to play the minute between 00:27:00 and 00:28:00 on VLC, MPC-HC x264 and Microsoft Films: everything seems to be fine.
Could it be an issue with the download? Could you try to download it again? So far, noone else reported similar issue.
It is available (and seeded) on MySpleen right now.
Hi Broom Kid,
Thank you for your interest in this preservation!
Broom Kid said:
very curious to have a look at this!
The screenshots as posted seem stretched to 16x9, however. I’m guessing that’s inaccurate to what the rip itself looks like?
The rip was stretched to 177:160, according to the SMPTE RP 187 which was applied on this LD. With the proper DAR (display aspect ratio) set to 4:3, the picture has exactly the same proportions as the HDTV.
But the screenshots were not made with the proper 4:3 DAR (even if the mkv file is correctly set to this ratio).
So yes, the screenshots are inaccurate to what the rip itself looks like.
Broom Kid said:
IIRC, this laserdisc was also mastered to a lower IRE level, leading to the blacks looking crushed unless brightness/contrast were adjusted on the display itself - something to do with the difference between the Japanese and North American markets? I’m not completely sure on this, and could be wrong (someone please correct me if I am), but I know from personal experience with the disc that it definitely looks a lot more contrasty and crushed than other late-era laserdiscs.
Indeed, this LD uses a Japanese IRE (black to 0 instead of 7.5). Since the capture was made with a Japanese player (HLD-X0) which is conformed to the Japanese IRE, the colors and contrasts are 100% accurate.
Broom Kid said:
Thanks so much for doing this, and posting it. The amount of work is tremendous!
Yes, it took me a couple of months… But I love to do this 😃
Some people, who have just created their account and have 0 public message, contacted me to have the link.
To prevent these files from being sold on eBay, only “real” OT members (who have a real activity on this forum) will, of course, receive the link.
If you don’t have a MySpleen account, the files are available on simple request: please send me a PM.
Here is a new preservation of The Phantom Menace Laserdisc. I made it for my own purpose (so that I can use some scenes in my almost finished theatrical HD restoration), but I think it has sufficient quality, sharpness and resolution to let you enjoy it as such!
IMHO, it offers the most comfortable experience of watching a Laserdisc capture, according to current standards (choice of subtitles and audio tracks, average quality of the image, encoding in x264), while being as consistent as possible with the original Laserdisc (original chapters, original subtitles, original soundtracks, original colors…): no source other than the LD was used, nothing was changed, added or removed.
This preservation was achieved with the best hardware (Pioneer HLD-X0, Comb Filter EVAL-ADV7842…) and the best softwares, at the best possible resolution.
Downloading this version requires to own an official version of the film.
This file can be shared or used in third-party projects, under the following conditions:
Sleeve, insert and obi:
Download link (WeTransfer) available on simple request (please PM me)
Could you please specify at what timing this scene appears in episode 2 of “Disney Gallery: The Mandalorian”?
Thank you very much!
Actually, the Cantina band is (shortly) visible in the theatrical cut of the pod race:
Suprisingly, the same shot was used twice, at 7’23 and 12’04 (according to the timing of the Digital Collection bonus).
Thanks a lot for this useful topic!
That’s not true. If it was, the Cinema DTS track of TPM wouldn’t sync with the VHS and laserdisc. But it does.
Furthermore, at least two bootlegs (direct cams from a theater) are available: the VCD “Z bootleg” and the VHS taken from a NYC theater. They perfectly match the official VHS, VCD and laserdisc releases.
If you have Photoshop 2020 you can try this trick:
By comparing with a real 35mm scan (which I’ll provide to you), you will be able to change the parameters and get a very natural grain, quite similar to the original one.
Dek Rollins said:
My biggest “compromised purism” in Star Wars is wanting to conform the BR cut of TPM to the theatrical cut - that is, keep the editing of the theatrical cut exactly, but with all the visual updates of the BR (CGI Yoda, mainly).
It’s the only one where something like that would outright replace any official version forever for me.
But Creepy Puppet Yoda™ looks infinitely better than CGI Yoda. CG Yoda constantly has his head at a downward angle and looks up at the people he’s talking to only with his eyes, and he lacks the little bit of expression that CPY had left. Screw consistency, I prefer a decent but weird puppet that looks nothing like the character over awkward CGI that still looks nothing like the character. 😛
In addition, Yoda was animated by a puppeteer (Frank Oz, probably the best), with a real acting.
It is not only a doll that could have been replaced by a CGI: there are real intentions of an actor in his movements and his facial expressions.
Replacing it with a CGI is as unacceptable as, for example, replacing the face of Alden Ehrenreich with Harrison Ford, because it would look more like the original character.
If all be honest I was hoping for some rich deep blues on those guards
As deep as the blue background, whose color has to be replaced by CGI…