@Infinity: Weird. I checked the official blu-ray and it's there too. Probably some leftover from their digital cleanup?
Here's a preview of what the cover will probably look like:
I completely remade this one from a file DJ sent me. A file that was used to print the version you can see some pages back in the thread.
The front pic is taken from a highres scan of the poster painting by Renato Casaro which I cleaned up, balanced, increased saturation a bit and had to make wider to fit the blu-ray cover format. The logo is from a scan of the soundtrack vinyl cover, which I spent hours to clean up.
The idea of this cover was to look a bit like the US theatrical DVD cover, but the text on the back was kind of bad, so I googled around and found a scan of a WB PAL VHS release, which had the text that is there now.
The empty box on the bottom right of the back will be filled with info about the audio options and extras.
Yeah, even if h_h won't have new mixes ready before we release ESB and ROTJ, the old mixes already sound very good too.
I can give you a little update and it's that basically we're only waiting for ABC to finish the new stereo mix he's creating. As soon as it's done we'll release it!
No idea but if it helps, here's that first shot from the raw GOUT, with only the black bars on top and bottom cropped:
You'll also see that there's a little more on the left than in our final version but that's because a few pixels on the left side have strange stuff going on during the film like there's sometimes a blue line there or no colors and so on. It looked better when just cropping that little area away.
EDIT:
Found some raw PAL GOUT SW screenshots and from what I can see when layering them on the same NTSC shots in photoshop, they're cropped more on all 4 sides!
EDIT 2:
Here's a comparison. I cropped the black borders on the sides of NTSC GOUT for this one. I resized the PAL frame to match the NTSC one, and left black bars around it. You can clearly see it's missing some pixels:
Thanks everybody!
@Harmy: No idea if the framing is different in SW and ESB between NTSC and PAL, but I know that it is for ROTJ.
But the reason there is less picture on the left in our version is simply because we had to crop out just a little for the stabilization of the picture, otherwise there was a 1-pixel wide black border jumping in on the side every now and then.
And from what I remember the aliasing isn't worse in the PAL version, but the picture suffers from being slightly blurred compared to the NTSC. Like they tried to soften it when upscaling it but resulting in a loss of some detail. Strangely enough as some of you might know, with ROTJ it's the opposite, that the NTSC version has less detail.
g-force said:
You_Too said:
g-force said:
It seems that some shades of magenta have been globally replaced with a kind of greyish-brown. I noticed it also on some laserblasts.
That is my fault, since it was caused by the old color correction of the BD that I made for Harmy. Pushing down the magenta was the only way I could find that would globally fix all the problems with it. Seriously, the use of magenta in the BD is horrible. Lots of things that should be red is magenta. Heck, even stuff that should be a soft brown.
So blame me. And of course Lucasfilm for the terrible BD master.
Oh, I remember now, you were trying to get rid of the magenta tint on Uncle Owen's sleeve by use of selective color replacement, but didn't realize you used the selective color on the whole film.
No actually I always intended the selective color settings to be for the whole film. I think I posted a screenshot of Owen once just to show that you could find the magentas everywhere and how it would fix them. The main reason I pushed magentas down so much were the blaster explosions. Maybe I would've done it slightly differently today, but I did what I could back then and I still think the result in Harmy's new version looks good overall.
@SpilkaBilka: Checked that scene and it's not like that on the official blu-ray, but the GOUT has a bright blue tint at the bottom of the frame in that shot.
Cool, didn't know about the custom credits at the end!
g-force said:
It seems that some shades of magenta have been globally replaced with a kind of greyish-brown. I noticed it also on some laserblasts.
That is my fault, since it was caused by the old color correction of the BD that I made for Harmy. Pushing down the magenta was the only way I could find that would globally fix all the problems with it. Seriously, the use of magenta in the BD is horrible. Lots of things that should be red is magenta. Heck, even stuff that should be a soft brown.
So blame me. And of course Lucasfilm for the terrible BD master.
Yeah, but when they made the color timing for the DVD it seems as if they wanted a neutral look.
The BD sure doesn't have a natural look to it overall, so of course it's a matter of taste.
@animemaakuo: If searching for pro-reviews of projectors, there's usually a lot of info to find about which ones are better than others and can be calibrated closely to the reference, which means you'll always see everything the way it's mastered.
@lpd: I envy you for that awesome projection setup. It looks great! It's one of my biggest dreams to have a huge projection screen someday. I don't know what it is but film just looks better when projected.
Since I don't have a blu-ray reader in the computer I googled around for screenshots, and balanced a couple of the shots from ebay to compare.
All I did was black, white and mid level adjustment to get rid of any fade-tints, and then I made the overall brightness match the BD so it's easier to compare.
I've checked some comparisons and to me it looks like the skintones are overall too pink in the WoWoW version.
Flexicon9 said:
I'm really looking forward to this release. You guys are champions among men... and if you do not listen, then to HELL with you!! ;)
Don't worry, we won't fail you!
Otherwise Crom will cast us out of Valhalla and laugh at us.
While those reels does seem interesting, I'd agree they're WAY overpriced.
And wouldn't it be better to just contact that "Ruben Jimenez Brinquis" who is mentioned in the letter, and tell him about all the preservation work going on? Maybe he'd let team negative1 borrow some rare stuff for bonus material or something.
Harmy said:
So, are Indy 2 and 3 confirmed to be the same master as the DVD and HDTV? I've read somewhere that they come from a new 4K scan as well, only they didn't get the same level of restoration as ROTLA but that info could of course be wrong.
I'm 99% sure they're the same as the HDTV masters. The edge enhancement and slight oversharpening sure looks the same. And the HDTV version of Raiders also had that edge enhancement and oversharpening.
So Raiders was most likely the only one to get a new scan.
Might be an insanely stupid question, but how can we know if that print is from 1981 and not recently made from the blu-ray master? Because of the dirt that shows up in the scans?
Either way, I'm taking back all that I have said about the color timing of this film. It looks phenomenal and in fact I own another BD that has a similar color timing: The Ten Commandments. I think I read that it was also color timed carefully to match the original appearance of the film, and it looks just as stunning as Raiders.
Makes me wonder how many old films haven't yet gotten a correct color timing on their BD releases. And what about Indy 2 and 3? Are there any LPP scans of them out there to show how they looked back then? They both look pretty good on BD too, but I think they could at least have removed the edge enhancement.
Actually when it comes to the starfields, unfortunately there's not any big improvement. The bright stars are just slightly brighter, that's about it.
yoda-sama said:
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Ok, also going off-topic but I gotta reply to this.
Thanks for the tip, that router seems like a good deal indeed! Though since the new fiber-network in my city isn't fully activated yet, I'm still using ADSL so I need a router with a built-in ADSL modem and I'm planning on buying one named "Linksys by Cisco X3000". I think it'll fill all my needs for a long time ahead even later with fiber.
Oh, what a nice surprise that this is up now!
Thanks a lot for all the hard work Harmy. And good luck with any upcoming projects. Sorry that I don't step by this thread as often anymore, it's just been too much work on my own stuff lately.
I'll help seed as best I can. I'm currently having a slower connection than usual and need to buy a new router, so I'm sorry if my seeding won't be of that much help.
When it comes to films not getting a proper restoration, I'd say screw the laws. At least Raiders did get a very worthy restoration. After seeing it myself I gotta say it was way better than what I had expected. (And for some reason I can't find a single image comparison of this snake reflection everybody keeps talking about. Can't be something big?)
But when it comes to Star Wars, I'm glad there are so many of us fans who care so much about the films. If I was rich I'd gladly buy every single film print that shows up, just to contribute to the preservation/restoration work.
@Infinity: Nice! I don't even have a blu-ray burner myself yet... haha
@Dunedain: Thanks! Yeah it sure wasn't easy, looking back how we started, but now we have some great looking settings that works for all three films.
@theextractor720: Sent you an invite now.
@pittrek: I'm glad you like it. Unfortunately there is no way to bring all colors back since the GOUT is sourced from a faded interpositive. And I also need to point out that in our earlier versions of the scripts where we set the saturation higher, it would be too much and not look realistic. The way it is now, it still brings out what's there, just check this comparison for example:
Look at how the walls behind Tarkin look grey in the GOUT, and when we've dug up the colors you can see that they're actually a greenish blue.