Yoda Is Your Father

Thought this was a pretty good summary of all the loose ends and how well they were (or weren't) tied up:

http://brianford.newsvine.com/_news/2009/03/23/2585762-deus-ex-starbuck-the-battlestar-galactica-finale

Fair enough!

I enjoyed it but just need to get a few things straight...

The Six who Baltar has been seeing in his head from the start of the show and even had imaginery sex with quite a few times, is an angel?  And there's also an angel that looks like Baltar?

Baltar survived the destruction of Caprica... how?

The colonials are my ancestors?

Adama is going to sit on a hill till he dies?

Starbuck...?

The Dali/Star Wars combo is cool... but why the fcuk would you want that tattooed on your body?!

C3PX said:

Chewie has his hair cut differently in SOTE in order to resemble a famous Wookie bounty hunter, which explains his different hair style in ROTJ.

Chewie has a different hairstyle in ROTJ?

Chewie has a hairstyle?

skyjedi2005 said:

But in the prequels the younglings sabers have a stun setting.

Is that true?! Fuck me those films are sh1t.

Hhaha, The Anakin and Obi Wan pics actually look pretty good!

C3PX said:

It was kind of funny, because they used old reel projectors so during each of the LOTR moves they had an intermission to change reels. They even had an "Intermission" card that popped up on the big screen. It was one of those old theaters that had the opera house sort of design to them, fancy pillars, statues of naked under aged angels carved everywhere, weird devil head thingy above the center of the screen, etcs. All that and the intermission thing really gave it a unique experience.

Sounds brilliant.

I have nothing against Bob's original AATW but Jimi's is fcuking awesome.  It's faultless.  Even Dylan preferred it.  Back in the 60s it must have sounded like it was coming from another planet!  One of my top 5 songs of all time, no doubt.

As for the LOTR smoke thing, maybe they were just getting a buzz off the backy.  I'm a non-smoker but when I do have a little puff (or, like when I was in the midwest and tried chew - disgusting) I get a bit of a nicotine buzz... and Bilbo is a small guy - wouldn't take much to go to his head.  He probably gets high on sugar.

Hunter6 said:

HotRod said:

Errr..Hang on a sec dude...Classic Kirk from the TV shows was pretty bad. Even now, he is ridiculed for his Ov-ER pron-oUN-CING - of certain phrases. If anyone tried to imitate that, they would surely be slated for doing so.

William Shatner's Kirk has been around for 42 years.

The Classic Kirk is just that.... a Classic Character. The Classic Kirk actions of Over Pronouncing phrases are Classic Too. 

The Classic Kirk is a icon for being a good hero Character.

Dr. Smith on the other hand is a icon for a joke Character.

A great and well known actor like Gary Oldman worked with The Classic Harris' Smith Character.

on the other hand, we have a little unknown punk named Chris Pine who is playing kirk not like Shatner's Kirk.

Now the last time I looked Harris' Dr. Smith was a big joke then Shatner's Kirk.

HotRod, I do not know if you know Lost in space or not. The 1998 Lost in space movie was bad, but the only good part was Gary Oldman's  Dr. Smith which was like The Classic Harris' Smith.

The Truth, more likely is that Chris Pine is a bad actor and does not acting chops to do a good version of Shatner's Kirk like Gary Oldman did with Smith. I think this is the true reason why Chris Pine said he did not play like Shatner's Kirk.

 

If the bloke playing Kirk done a Shatner impression everybody would laugh their arses off and you lot would moan.

Also, I'm sure he was directed on how to act it - go easy on the guy man, shit.

TheDoctor1987 said:

the Prequels are great movies and people just need to let it have its legacy in the Star Wars Saga. 

Kids... don't do drugs.  They're bad.

That's pretty weak if his surviving a nuclear explosion was simply a case of crouching down.  I always thought that his survival plus being able to see and touch the six in his head meant that there was something special about him.  I've also noticed he's been seeing and taking advice from the six a lot more in recent episodes (she went away for a bit), almost as if the writers are reminding us of this ability before they make some kind of revelation.

FanFiltration said:

I'm starting to think that not only Starbuck, but also President Roslin and Baltar are also children of Daniel models, and that is why they are linked to the Cylons.

Hmm, good theory.  That would (sort of) explain how Baltar survived the destruction of Caprica, which is yet to be answered and has been bugging me since the mini-series!

rcb said:

ask the kids and younger people. they'll say different. i like them, but i admit that there are flaws in the PT.

How young is young?  I was 18 when TPM came out and I thought it sucked ass.

This is all getting very confusing... I didn't even relaise the pianist was a projection...

ChainsawAsh said:

From my understanding of the episode, here's how it worked:

1) Humans on Kobol make skinjob-style Cylons.  My guess here is that the Cylons revolted, which caused the exodus of the 13 tribes (the 13th tribe being the Cylons, who leave for Earth)

2) On Earth, the Cylons figure out how to make themselves as human-like as possible, to the point where they can reproduce.

3) The Cylons on Earth create Centurion-style Cylons, who revolt and, in a simultaneous attack from either side, wipe out everything on the planet, Cylon and Centurion alike.

4) Five Cylons develop (or rediscover) the technology of resurrection, thanks to Tyrol.  As the bombs fall, they resurrect to a ship above Earth.  They set out for the Colonies to warn them not to create Cylons, as it will end in their destruction ("All this has happened before ... ").  Unfortunately, they don't have an FTL drive, so they travel to the Colonies at near-lightspeed.  This causes them to travel at a relativistic speed - i.e., time outside the ship lasts 2,000 years(ish), but it only feels like 5 or so to them onboard.

5) They reach the Colonies, only to discover that humanity is already at war with the Cylons.  They meet with the Centurions and discover that they are experimenting with creating "skinjobs," their only semi-successful experiment being the first Hybrid.  The Five offer to give them resurrection and help them create "skinjobs," if they call off the war.  They agree, and the 40-year armistice happens.

6) The Five help create eight humanoid Cylons.  The Number Ones (Cavil), however, hate that they have been made so "imperfect," and hate that Ellen has become so attached to Number Seven (Daniel).  The Cavils revolt, destroying the genetic material from which the Sevens are made, and destroying the other models (hence, no Number Sevens exist anymore).  They wipe the memories of the Final Five, give them false ones, and implant them among the Colonies.

7) The rest of the armistice years are spent with Cavil making changes to the programming of the rest of the Eight (now Seven) Cylons, blocking them from knowing who the Five are.  In an attempt to stifle a potential revolt, the Cavils plant inhibitor chips in the Centurions.

8) Adama's mission crosses the armistice line, giving the Cavils an excuse to mount the attack on the Colonies.  He does so, manipulating things so that the Five remain alive and can see how awful humans are so that when they finally rejoin the rest of the Cylons, they'll feel remorse for designing them in the way they did.

I watched the most recent episode yesterday and was pretty lost with what the hell was going on, so this breakdown helped.  But is anybody else feeling a bit 'meh' about this?  It's so convoluted, and the whole 'this has happened once so it will happen again' thing is a bit lame I think.  I preferred it when the Cylons were just evil robots who rebelled against their human creators and nuked them.  Oh well.

And a new Galactica movie separate to the 2003 series?  Hmmm... why would they do that?  I mean, if there was no 2003 series then fair enough, but...

see you auntie said:

"I Don't Give A Shit Where The Stuff I Love Comes From. I Just Love The Stuff I Love." - Patton Oswalt

This couldn't be more applicable then right here. As far as I'm concerned Chewie is Han's Co-Pilot/ Best Friend/ Partner in Crime. That's it, it was more than evident on screen.

And this is also a good reason why I strongly dislike the EU (and to a certain extent you can add the PT to this too), because you don't need to explain or have explained to you every little detail from the OT. There's a reason it wasn't apart of the original movies because chances are it was either contrived or really boring.

Couldn't agree more. 

There was a discussion going on in another thread about the 'Star Wars Encyclopedia', which is apparently ful of this sort of backstory and contains explanantions for every little thing (Did you know the Sarlaac is actually one of many, that came down from space in the form of spores.... more importantly, did you give a fuck?).

HotRod said:

 

Look, dudes...chill!!

It's a T-Shirt...It says Captain suave...Whats wrong with that??

 

May have to get me one of those...and I don't even give a rats arse about Star Trek!!

;)

Hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa

This is cracking me up.  If you guys were complaining before, it's about to go next level.

Captain Suave... Hhahaaaa

Don't worry though... they got it covered!

C3PX said:

As for the big pussy in the desert thing, I've never been with a British girl, but if they have weird venus flytrap like stalks and tentacles down there, I'd like to keep it that way!

Hahahaha

rcb said:

i thought the majority of this site was geeky? lol. i know a lot about the star wars universe. now the backstory

behind it, georgle lucas, authors, other directors, basically real world things, i don't know much about. all i really

know its what i've scene in the documentaries. want me to ruin more for u? i could tell u about the wampa or taun

taun. :)

 Fair point.  I guess for me Star Wars just isn't about the ins and out sof the ships and creatures, especially when those ins and outs are lame backstories created to sell books.  That more what Star Trek is about in my mind.  Each to their own though.

rcb said:

the sarlaac pit was a pit known to jabba and he used it to dispose of his enemies. the saralac originated from space. spores were spread through the galaxy and landed on planets and would eventually become sarlaacs. the younger could move from place to place. but as they grew older they would become less and less mobile.

God, this sort of bullshit explanation just totally kills the magic and mystery of sw.  I don't give a sh1t where the Sarlaac came from or what it actually is, it's just a cool freaky idea that got my imagination going when I was a kid.

If your stupid star wars money-making encyclopedia said the sarlacc pit was actually a big pussy in the desert (which it clearly is) you'd accept that too I suppose.

Geez... when did sw become this geeky crapfest?

What I don't care for in EU: Hot Chocolate.  LOL.

Jay said:

 

lordjedi said:

I'm 34

You sound 104.

Kids are supposed to have their own style and do stupid shit. If they didn't, they wouldn't be kids--and they'd never learn. You can fantasize all you want about telling children this and that and expecting them to follow your lead, but if you think kids do anything other than what they want to do, you're naive.

Any kid who does exactly what he's told is either too stupid to think for himself or too scared to incur the wrath of mommy and daddy. I shudder to think about what my life would've been if I'd followed the advice of all the adults surrounding me as I grew up. God bless them, but my life is mine, and the lessons they've taken away from their experiences are unique to them. This is the case with any adult advice. Two different people could experience the same event, but take away entirely different lessons based on their point of view.

And I wouldn't say YIYF is immature because he's saddened by the sounds of friends turning into weak, scared old men. Face it, not everyone is meant to fall in line like you have.

Thanks Jay, very well put.  I may be biased seeing as it was me who sort of kicked off this debate (following Sean's initial post) but I agree with everthing you've said in this thread.

For the record, I love my friends, they're all great guys.  But there is an element of 'this is what we should be doing at this stage of our lives whether we want to be doing it or not' to them, and it saddens me because I know they are above that kind of thinking.

It's entirely possible to be successful, hardworking, mature (in a good way) and morally sound without being boring, submissive, and intolerant.  It's also very important to make misktakes and learn from them in order to grow.  Life is to be lived, for better or worse.

I'm 28 and I still get funny looks because of my scruffy long hair, unshaven face and tendency to always wear converse all-stars no matter what! 

Some people are just extremely narrow-minded, and the worst thing is I am starting to hear my own friends (who are the same age as me and got up to all sorts of things with me when we were kids) making comments not dissimilar to the ones in the article Sean posted.  Not only is it hippocritical but it's also sad to see people lose their sense of humour and understanding as they grow older and become boring, paranoid conformists.

I blame the parents (joke!)

HotRod said:

And here's the clip they showed on some sport thing you have over there. Handball I think it's called.

Hahhahahahaaaaa

So, I just watched all the webisodes... pretty dull stuff.. but what was the deal at the end?  What does Gaeta want to tell the admiral?  Is it common knowledge that Tigh is a Cylon?  I can't remember.

skyjedi2005 said:

You know what is a major failing these days not just for dvd cover art but comic cover art as well when they do cheap photoshop jobs digitally in a computer.  I like the illustrative arts. Sure you can't always have a Dave Dorman, Drew Struzan, or Hugh Fleming.  But The masters of the genre were Hal Foster and Alex Raymond, anyone who evokes that high level of illustration i like their work.  Al Williamson at his best came close to Raymond, this was imho during his days Pencilling Secret Agent Corrigan (better known as X-9) and Star Wars.

I feel the same about movie posters - the painted posters from teh seventies and eighties dick on the photoshop 'floating heads' collages of today.