Dek Rollins said:

RU.08 said:

Dek Rollins said:

Will an MKV of v1.5 (non-branching '77 crawl, of course) be in order, since the subtitle sync in the BD structure is the only issue with the release?

Making an MKV from the BD is straightforward. You can use mkvtoolnix-gui or makemkv beta. Both are “drag and drop” operations.

I have no doubt as to the simplicity of the operation. I was just curious if an official MKV was to be released, because I’m sure that many people alongside myself would end up putting it in an MKV anyway, for muxing different audio tracks, etc. I just thought I’d ask if it was in the plans. 😄

Nope, this will be it for official releases. We’ll give you the highest quality, most fully featured version we can, but it’s up to you guys to create a BD 25, an mkv, a DVD9, a DVD5, an mp4 or even that VCD version you’ve been secretly wanting. Creating the blu-ray was a lot of work - seriously - weeks and weeks, but as RU.08 points out, generating other formats from that is really quite straightforward.

A note for those who will actually be re-encoding the video: gme4 pointed out earlier in the thread that the black bars actually have a little blue in them (0,0,13) from about 31 seconds in. Unfortunately, I had already completed the 2 day re-encode required to correct the reel change cue marks at the end of the 3rd reel when this was pointed out, so it did not get fixed. However, if you are re-encoding anyway, you can fix it by simply cropping out the old (not quite) black bars and adding new ones if you need them…

Nevermind, there was an ugly visual glitch that requires a full re-encode, so I’ll fix this too at the same time.

pittrek said:

Fantastic! Does it mean that those of us who didn’t download the previous version yet can wait a few days for the fixed version?

yep, that’s exactly what it means.

Wahoo! I found the solution to the subtitle problem: Convert the srt from 23.976fps to 24fps in Jubler, then use Lemony to create the BDN. Edit the XML to set the framerate back to 23.976 and import as non-drop. Then subs remain in sync to the end. Rinse and repeat for all languages. We’re back in business people!

Already used Dre’s color correction tool to create v1.5…

I have put the Reel 3 cue marks fix in and removed the emoticon from the TN1 bumper, but I’m still trying to sync the subtitles. I understand the basic problem - the subtitles are timed for 23.976 fps but the authoring software is using a 24 fps clock, so they drift out of sync. I have tried converting the subtitles to 24 fps and importing them as Drop and non-drop but so far I haven’t found the right combination of actions to correct the problem. It is compounded by the 90 minute turn around time on every change.

I’ll figure it out eventually, but it’s a pain in the arse to be sure. By far the biggest issue with v1.5 is the subtitle sync, so there is no point pushing it out again until that is corrected.

Darth Mallwalker said:

Williarob said:

Darth Mallwalker said:

60759 60651
64864 64771

Got it! Thanks!

Those two GOUT frames 60651 & 64771 are still missing from SSE 1.5.
In their places, GOUT 60759 & 64864 are each doubled.

Maybe it’s a deliberate creative decision…

Yep. Sometimes I could recreate the missing frames, or find them on other prints, but here doubling existing frames seemed the best (or possibly just the easiest) choice - certainly better than black frames though.

Like it or not, Team Negative One did the bulk of the work on this project, all I did for this release was repackage it and make a few improvements, but that is on top of the more than THREE YEARS of work the whole team put into it already. It is based on a print that -1 found and bought and scanned with his own money. To rename it and pretend that Negative One and his team had nothing to do with it would be like taking Harmy’s Despecialized edition, adding some blu-ray menus and calling it something completely new with no mention of Harmy. You just don’t do that.

This project will remain “Team Negative One’s Silver Screen Edition”, end of discussion. Move along.

Correct, the crawl / flyover is one clip and the rest of the movie is another, unfortunately they have to be subtitled (and supplied with audio streams) separately. Chapters can be applied to the final playlist, but audio and subtitle streams are handled at the clip level…

I’ll let you know in an hour or so…

JEDIT: The SUP files are not compatible, and would still need splitting and re-timing even if they were.
JEDIT2: Actually, setting it to 30 FPS probably won’t work, because when it gets converted to BDN, it uses a frame number instead of milliseconds, so it a title has a frame number > 23 it might do something weird…

The disc layout had to be done manually (“Automatic Layout failed to find a suitable location to place the layer break”), so I set the layer break 1 hour and 4 minutes into the movie, which is a long way from the branch point just 2 minutes in. It is 100% seamless in PowerDVD and also on my LG player, which is good enough for me.

Meanwhile I still haven’t resolved the subtitle sync problem. If you are just joining us, this is the story so far. Using Jubler, each .srt file (taken directly from project Threepio) was split in to two parts (Before the flyover and after the flyover). Also in Jubler, I retimed the second part, so that it counts up from 00:00:00.000 instead of 00:02:26.xxx and verified that they stay in sync from start to finish. That’s all good. Now, since I can’t just import .srt files, I then converted them using Lemony to the correct format, and checking the xml file it created (along with thousands of .png subtitle image files) I have verified that the timing is still correct, in that the in and out timecodes match their .srt counterparts. So far, so good.

Now when I import the BDN files into the authoring software, it asks me if they are drop or non-drop, and regardless of which option I pick, they still drift out of sync.

As I understand it, the original .srt files are timed to match a true 23.976 timecode, but the film is almost certainly using a 24 fps timecode, which is why they slowly drift out of sync. (Excellent explanation of all this here: https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/279/1230).

It sounded to me like the solution should be to convert the timing to match, so, using Lemony, I tried adding a frame rate conversion (23.976 to 24) and rebuilt everything. (It takes about 5 minutes to convert the subtitles, another 2 or 3 to import them, and then about an hour to rebuild the disc before I can test it, so it’s a time consuming process!)

It still goes out of sync (though at a different rate than before) and this is regardless of whether I select drop or non-drop on import or mark the film as drop or non-drop (I think I’ve tried all combinations). At this point I am struggling to wrap my tiny brain around the problem. Any ideas?

RU.08 said:

towne32 said:

I know you’ve done quite a bit of analysis of some of these flags in commercial discs, Valeyard, but it turns out to be quite simple to set up seamless branching with the right software.

You can do the same yourself. I looked at Blade Runner, Alien 3, T2 Skynet, and they all look identical. And you can compare to even more discs with the menus - they always start with “1” for the c value of the first entry and then “5” for all other entries, no exceptions, & “In Time” is always 11.650 seconds (branching is done in the same way to seamlessly looping menus). Changing those settings in BDEdit shouldn’t be difficult or cause any problems for the disc.

The seamless flag is set correctly and even in BDEdit the c value for the first entry (the crawl) is set to 1 (non seamless) and the second entry (main movie) is set to 5 (Seamless), just like in the retail discs.

I don’t know why the in time is at 10 minutes (though I do see that in BDEDit), there is no indication of that anywhere in the software, all start times are set to 00:00:00:000 in the properties window and these settings are read only. I can try changing the in time in BDEdit, but I really don’t see what effect that has on anything, it’s not like the movie doesn’t start until the 10 minute mark.

Also, you said the teaser scan wasn’t included, but it is, along with the other two trailers that were included with 1.0, or am I misunderstanding?

yotsuya said:

I can’t speak for Darth Lucas about the recreation of the 81 crawl, but my purpose has been to recreate what was seen on LD and home video. While the handful of prints of the 81 crawl that have been examined don’t show many stars the LD archived versions do so many many stars at a brightness relative to the following scene. Also, in the version I have been working on (which is not complete due to the difficulty of fixing up the flyover portion of the TN1 35 mm scan included with the SSE 1.0 - for me no other source is acceptable) I am trying to use only components that are true to the 81 crawl. The title fade out is identical to TESB, the crawl is identical to the SE, the stars, moons, and planet have been recovered for the most part by Poita, that just leaves an accurate 1981 flyover. It is different in 77, 81, and the 97 SE so for me only the 81 flyover will work. Darth Lucas has pulled his starfield from TESB - which used the same painted starfield, but not the same shot of it. To properly match the 35mm scan of the 77 crawl, some added grain and a tiny bit of gate weave really make the difference. I’ve had too much on plate to work on the flyover or the improved starfield/moons/planet. To be honest, from the quality of the scan, I am going to have to manually edit ever frame of the flyover (roughly 400) to align each from to a known stable version. Some frames are warped and stretched noticeably.

I admire your dedication and look forward to seeing the finished product. In the version I created, using the '81 crawl with the '77 starfield, I used the “find Edges” effect in After Effects and then several instances of the Paint Bucket Effect to fill the old starfield with blue paint. Then I turned off the find edges effect and keyed out the blue to reveal the new starfield underneath. This worked very well for the crawl, and may also work for the flyover but I never got around to trying it. Give it a go, it may save you a lot of time.

Arnied said:

Williarob said:

Therefore I’m re-encoding the main movie again to incorporate the Reel 3 cue mark fixes.

I love the quality of the film and especially the grain structure.

However, since you are going to re-encode again, is there something that can be done about the compression artifacts that are present in some parts of the film (mainly cantina sequence and some other dark parts)?

See for example:
http://postimg.org/image/7s64vt2sb/full/
http://postimg.org/image/qbc789hzv/full/

At 40 MB/s I doubt those are compression artifacts. If anything, they are imperfections brought out by the color correction process - these shots were brightened considerably from the original scan, and some of the shadow/color information just isn’t there. I suspect Poita’s scan will be considerably better, but until it arrives, this is as good as it gets I’m afraid.

Yeah I think you’re right about the emoticon.

I only have one version of it on 35mm, which was included with v1.0. Almost none of the stars are visible and Poita has confirmed that most of the prints he has are the same. Darth Lucas and Yotsuya have both been working on reconstructing the '81 crawl and flyover using starfields they created themselves based on laserdisc and ESB references, however Poita recently posted a high resolution star field from an '81 print which he had worked some magic on…

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Remastering-the-1981-Episode-IV-TitleCrawlFlyover/id/49668

Great - keep the menu buglist coming, I knew there would be some, but it is hard to test for all of them by yourself.

The 1981 crawl should be the reconstruction (v1.6) created by Darth Lucas (See his custom Blu-ray thread for more information). If the grain appears to be static, it is possible that an older version was included by mistake. I’ll make sure that asset gets refreshed before I rebuild. Perhaps he will even have a version 1.7 using Poita’s '81 starfield ready in time?

It looks like the drop frame setting will correct the subtitle problem, they are currently about 1 or 2 seconds out of sync, but they remain that way throughout the entire film, so it should be an easy fix at this point.

The partial mux I did for the subtitle fix did alter the main movie file, so a full re-up will be needed. Therefore I’m re-encoding the main movie again to incorporate the Reel 3 cue mark fixes. Those of you who have been able to find and download a copy, please keep testing out those menus and let me know what else needs to be fixed.

Those of you waiting for it to appear on the spleen will have to wait a little longer, I’d rather wait and get the fixed (and I hope final) SSE version 1.6 up there. ETA is probably Tuesday or Wednesday, depending on how long all of these fixes take.

I’m testing it out with drop frame set to true, I’ll let you know if that corrects the issue. If it does, I expect we’ll need to re-up the whole thing. Anybody find any other issues? Any problems with the menus?

I’m wondering if it has something to do with the TimeCode in the video, or perhaps a Drop Frame / Non-Drop Frame Setting somewhere, or perhaps both. I marked all the subtitle tracks as “Non-Drop Frame” but I see in the properties Window of the Authoring software that it lists the Start and end times for both Drop Frame and non-Drop frame and that they are quite different. The last subtitle in Drop frame mode is 01:58:50:06, while in non-drop frame mode it is at 01:58.41.08, a difference of about 9 seconds. So, if by the end of the film the subtitles are 9 seconds early, perhaps I need to mark them as Drop Frame?

Is it just the English Subtitles or all of them? There are no English Subtitles until after the flyover so there was no cutting of the English Subs. Retiming was a uniform time shift (shifting the first subtitle to the right place and the timing of all that follow were shifted by the same amount).

Subtitles and video are all set to 23.976 fps so no PAL->NTSC issues. Also, subtitles are timed to the millisecond, not to the frame, so 00:10:30:000 should be 10 minutes and thirty seconds into the film regardless of the frame rate, right? I didn’t see different versions of the subs for PAL/NTSC in the project. Catbus - any ideas?

RDPlissken said:

Clicked through the BD image in PDVD15, the English subtitles progressively go out of sync, maybe a whole 5 seconds by the end of the movie.

I used the subtitles from project threepio. I assumed that they are timed from the very start of the GOUT (including the Fox Logo). I did not change the timing for the English subs at all, does anyone know how this could happen or what I might do to correct it?

“The early home video releases on VHS and laserdisc (also more obsucre formats such as Betamax, CED and VHD) featured the Dolby Stereo mix, identical to that heard on the 35mm theatrical prints. The superior source being the Japanese pan & scan laserdisc released in 1991, which contains uncompressed digital stereo audio. Playing the mix through a home Dolby Pro-logic decoder authentically recreates the original 4-channel surround experience.”

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-sound-mixes/id/15294

I just checked and it does not have this line:

“The tractor beam is coupled to the main reactor in seven locations. A power loss at one of the terminals will allow the ship to leave”

Just lucky I guess!

I confess I’m not an expert on the audio, but nor am I all that fussy about it. I can’t listen to a mix and tell you - “oh that’s the '93 mix because…” And honestly I don’t really care whether the stormtroopers yell “close the blast doors” or “open the blast doors”. I’m aware of many of the differences, but not all of them. I picked this particular version, because I happened to have it on my hard drive, it was an early stereo mix, and most importantly, it had already been GOUT sync’d which meant I could just drop it straight in. Beyond that, no thought at all went into the decision. But I know a lot of you care a great deal about the audio, which is why I took the time to GOUT sync the video. How you tailor it from here to suit your own needs is entirely up to you.

The original 35mm print we used only had Stereo audio - and that was in Spanish and we included it in this version - but had it been an English print it almost certainly have been in Stereo (mono would have been exciting). The whole idea of the project was to recreate the experience of watching the print on a 35mm projector, without you having to buy the print or the projector. Was there 5.1 surround in '77? I don’t think so, the whole reason there is a mono mix is because a lot of cinemas didn’t even have stereo yet.

So, to answer your question, there was no attempt to use the DTS-HD MA 5.1 track, however, I don’t see any technical reasons why it could not have been used. The Blu-ray structure is made up of tracks, each track uses a playlist and each playlist is made up of clips. When seamless branching, you must first make sure that all the audio and video streams that are in each clip are encoded using identical settings, preferably by the same software. You will have a hard time seamlessly branching an Mpeg2 clip with AC3 audio together with an h.264 clip with PCM audio. What this means in practical terms is that all the audio and subtitle streams must be split to match the video clips. It would be nice if we could add a single audio or subtitle track to a completed video playlist, but unfortunately audio and subtitles are assigned at the clip level. So, for example, all of the subtitle tracks had to be split at the end of the flyover and then re-timed for the rest of the film, and all of the audio and subtitles streams had to be placed in the same order on each clip, and assigned the same language codes, lest the audio or subtitle language suddenly change at the branch.

So to use the DTS-HD MA 5.1 audio, you would first have to find a way to split it between titles-crawl-Flyover and the rest of the film. You may be able to do this with ffmpeg, just literally splitting the file without any re-encode and that would certainly be what I would try first - you never know it might even work. But if that failed, then I would use EAC3to to extract all the channels to wav files. I did this once before when I made those Back to the Future audio tracks with the swearing removed so my kids could enjoy them too. What I discovered then was that, for whatever reason, EAC3to mixed up all the channels, or at least mislabeled them. But anyway, the next thing to do would be to bring the wav files into something like Adobe Audition, and put them all back together as a 5.1 mix, correcting the channel placements if needed. Then split the mix at the end of the flyover, and save each part as a new 5.1 PCM mix.

At that point, you could simply bring in the new wav files and use them as 5.1 PCM audio tracks, or you could re-encode each one as DTS-HD MA, and then bring them into the authoring software or perhaps your authoring software may even be able to do the DTS encoding for you. I wanted to use PCM audio, and had room to do so, so I didn’t look into that.

As promised, Here is an updated version of the end of Reel 3, with the Reel change markers cleaned up and the homemade ones removed. There is still some discoloration where the marks used to be, but overall it should be far less distracting.

https://we.tl/pQYEvwmRj5

Doh! Just noticed that there were two homemade reel change marks at the end of Reel 3 and I only removed one of them, and sadly it wasn’t the worst of the two. While I can remove it in about 10 minutes, unfortunately it would take days to rebuild the blu-ray, so I’m afraid we are stuck with it. However, I will post the corrected frames and then those of you who plan to convert it from a BD50 to a BD25, DVD9, MKV or whatever can make the replacement at that time.

Stinky-Dinkins said:

SOMEBODY TELL ME WHAT IS CHANGED IN THIS VERSION I AM FREAKING OUT SHIT MYSELF.

                          General Information

Type…: Movie
Platform…: Bluray (BD50)
Image Format…: .iso
Burn Tested…: Yes

Audio Track 1…: English Stereo
Audio Format…: Lossless
Hz…: 48,000
Channels…: Stereo
Source…: Japanese LaserDisc (PILF-1236)

Audio Track 2…: Spanish Stereo
Audio Format…: Lossless
Hz…: 48,000
Channels…: Stereo
Source…: 35mm film Print, Optical Audio

Audio Track 3…: English Mono
Audio Format…: Lossless
Hz…: 48,000
Channels…: Mono
Source…: 16mm Swedish Film print, on loan from Jaxxon

Video Format…: H.264
Video Bitrate…: 40 Mb/s Max VBR
Resolution…: 1920 x 1080
FPS…: 23.976
Source…: 35mm LPP Film print
Genre…: Science Fiction
IMDb Rating…: 8.7
Disc Size…: 37.5 GB

Subtitles…: English, Spanish, French, German, Italian & Finnish

                           Post Information

Posted to…: a.b.starwars
Posted on…: 5/25/2016
Parts…: 362 x 100 MB Rar

                             Release Notes

Changes since v1.0

• All missing frames restored
• Restored the two missing laser bolts in Reel 6
• Restored Technician’s leg in first frame of Reel 6
• Fully GOUT Sync’d so if you don’t like our Audio, feel free to replace it
• Additional Cleanup (mostly white dust, but also the orange Tantive marks, the
  blue splotch when Vader enters and one of the homemade Reel Change marks at the
  end of Reel3).
• Some shots (e.g. in Ben’s hut) replaced using alternate print sources
• Sharpening
• Blue Color tint reduced
• Full Re-encode from lossless master at a much higher bitrate using professional
  grade encoding software
• Blu-ray format featuring Seamless branching of the '77 & '81 Crawl,
  Interactive Menus with beautifully rendered 3d motion backgrounds created for us
  by Donny Versiga, Fully functional Popup Menus, correct Chapter Stops,
  subtitles, etc.
• English Stereo Audio from Japanese LD (PILF-1236)
• Original 35mm Spanish Audio from the LPP print used for ~85% of the film
• New capture of the Mono Mix captured directly from Jaxxon’s Swedish 16mm film