Blade Runner 2049 is an excellent example of a sequel trying its best to outperform the original.
You could tell the story of the events after ROTJ and make it stand on its own. You could even improve upon the originals (a difficult task, but not an impossible one).
I would argue that it is literally an impossible one because people would never ever accept it as such.
I’m not arguing any of the three new movies are better than the OT, but based on the reaction to TLJ, it’s clear to me that no movie could ever eclipse the original in the “fans” minds.
I’m not sure how the “‘fans’ minds” feel about it all, but even the originals are just movies to me.
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I just enjoy being told my opinions and preferences make no sense.
You could tell the story of the events after ROTJ and make it stand on its own. You could even improve upon the originals (a difficult task, but not an impossible one). This movie did introduce some new and potentially interesting themes: out with the old and in with the new, the Force is out there for everybody and not just the gifted, animal cruelty is bad. But goddammit make up your own story to convey those themes.
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TLJ dared to be new and unexpected and people hated it.I reject this notion that TLJ “dared to be new”. It’s pretty frustrating seeing that posted everywhere. It’s doing the same damn thing all over again, just with different characters and in a slightly different order.
and i reject the notion that these movies are the same but just sligtly tweaked. ::shrug::
Is it just a case of there being people who want new films, and people who don’t, or is there really more to it? I am not convinced that it is anything more than the first option (some people just don’t want new films, despite what they say).
Not sure if I understand. Are you saying I (and the minority who feels the same way) just don’t want new Star Wars films? If so, what are you basing this on?
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chyron8472 said:
TLJ dared to be new and unexpected and people hated it.I reject this notion that TLJ “dared to be new”. It’s pretty frustrating seeing that posted everywhere. It’s doing the same damn thing all over again, just with different characters and in a slightly different order.
and i reject the notion that these movies are the same but just sligtly tweaked. ::shrug::
Is it just a case of there being people who want new films, and people who don’t, or is there really more to it? I am not convinced that it is anything more than the first option (some people just don’t want new films, despite what they say).
Well, I think it’s actually quite a challenge to find a story beat, that isn’t in some way derived from the OT. It usually either does more or less the same, or the opposite. If it was really a new story, it wouldn’t depend completely on OT events.
Yeah, i am saying it seems like people don’t want new star wars films, based on the fact that i completely fail to understand what people want. You can tell me that it is too derivative, or to similar, or didn’t do this or that. but i really have never understood what you or those other people would actually want to see.
So of course, i know that those who say these things often make claims about what they want. But despite this, i really don’t believe that they actually know what they want. Sure, that is me being a bit judgmental, but that is the truth about how it strikes me.
Once again, I want new Star Wars films. I quite liked TFA and R1 despite their flaws. I am just baffled that where most people - even some of its harshest critics - see originality in TLJ, I see just a slight variation.
So what again didn’t you like about TLJ, other than its supposed lack of new ideas? Because I thought TFA had no new ideas either?
The (not so) slight rehash of TFA was an issue. But back then I truly believed it served a specific purpose. To “begin to make things right”. Reintroduce the familiar and introduce the new, so that from there the story can go where it has never gone before. And then the rehash kept going, while most people applauded for something we’ve never seen before in Star Wars.
But there were things you have never seen before in star wars…
Yes, it does look different. It just doesn’t tell a different story, the way I see it.
Here’s a question…how is Luke projecting his image across the galaxy for the final fight with the bad guy not a new idea?
The finale with Luke really seems to be the only significant original point.
Alright, how about Luke refusing to train Rey?
Yoda was also reluctant to train Luke. Regardless, Luke does give Rey a couple of lessons.
See, this is why I say “people don’t want lightsabers.” It’s like you didn’t want anything that even resembled the OT in the slightest.
Not true. I was fully prepared to see similarities, it was set up that way. I just thought you raised Luke refusing to train Rey as an example of a significant departure in terms of the story.
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chyron8472 said:
TLJ dared to be new and unexpected and people hated it.I reject this notion that TLJ “dared to be new”. It’s pretty frustrating seeing that posted everywhere. It’s doing the same damn thing all over again, just with different characters and in a slightly different order.
and i reject the notion that these movies are the same but just sligtly tweaked. ::shrug::
Is it just a case of there being people who want new films, and people who don’t, or is there really more to it? I am not convinced that it is anything more than the first option (some people just don’t want new films, despite what they say).
Not sure if I understand. Are you saying I (and the minority who feels the same way) just don’t want new Star Wars films? If so, what are you basing this on?
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chyron8472 said:
TLJ dared to be new and unexpected and people hated it.I reject this notion that TLJ “dared to be new”. It’s pretty frustrating seeing that posted everywhere. It’s doing the same damn thing all over again, just with different characters and in a slightly different order.
and i reject the notion that these movies are the same but just sligtly tweaked. ::shrug::
Is it just a case of there being people who want new films, and people who don’t, or is there really more to it? I am not convinced that it is anything more than the first option (some people just don’t want new films, despite what they say).
Well, I think it’s actually quite a challenge to find a story beat, that isn’t in some way derived from the OT. It usually either does more or less the same, or the opposite. If it was really a new story, it wouldn’t depend completely on OT events.
Yeah, i am saying it seems like people don’t want new star wars films, based on the fact that i completely fail to understand what people want. You can tell me that it is too derivative, or to similar, or didn’t do this or that. but i really have never understood what you or those other people would actually want to see.
So of course, i know that those who say these things often make claims about what they want. But despite this, i really don’t believe that they actually know what they want. Sure, that is me being a bit judgmental, but that is the truth about how it strikes me.
Once again, I want new Star Wars films. I quite liked TFA and R1 despite their flaws. I am just baffled that where most people - even some of its harshest critics - see originality in TLJ, I see just a slight variation.
So what again didn’t you like about TLJ, other than its supposed lack of new ideas? Because I thought TFA had no new ideas either?
The (not so) slight rehash of TFA was an issue. But back then I truly believed it served a specific purpose. To “begin to make things right”. Reintroduce the familiar and introduce the new, so that from there the story can go where it has never gone before. And then the rehash kept going, while most people applauded for something we’ve never seen before in Star Wars.
Here’s a question…how is Luke projecting his image across the galaxy for the final fight with the bad guy not a new idea?
The finale with Luke really seems to be the only significant original point.
Alright, how about Luke refusing to train Rey?
Yoda was also reluctant to train Luke. Regardless, Luke does give Rey a couple of lessons.
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chyron8472 said:
TLJ dared to be new and unexpected and people hated it.I reject this notion that TLJ “dared to be new”. It’s pretty frustrating seeing that posted everywhere. It’s doing the same damn thing all over again, just with different characters and in a slightly different order.
and i reject the notion that these movies are the same but just sligtly tweaked. ::shrug::
Is it just a case of there being people who want new films, and people who don’t, or is there really more to it? I am not convinced that it is anything more than the first option (some people just don’t want new films, despite what they say).
Not sure if I understand. Are you saying I (and the minority who feels the same way) just don’t want new Star Wars films? If so, what are you basing this on?
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chyron8472 said:
TLJ dared to be new and unexpected and people hated it.I reject this notion that TLJ “dared to be new”. It’s pretty frustrating seeing that posted everywhere. It’s doing the same damn thing all over again, just with different characters and in a slightly different order.
and i reject the notion that these movies are the same but just sligtly tweaked. ::shrug::
Is it just a case of there being people who want new films, and people who don’t, or is there really more to it? I am not convinced that it is anything more than the first option (some people just don’t want new films, despite what they say).
Well, I think it’s actually quite a challenge to find a story beat, that isn’t in some way derived from the OT. It usually either does more or less the same, or the opposite. If it was really a new story, it wouldn’t depend completely on OT events.
Yeah, i am saying it seems like people don’t want new star wars films, based on the fact that i completely fail to understand what people want. You can tell me that it is too derivative, or to similar, or didn’t do this or that. but i really have never understood what you or those other people would actually want to see.
So of course, i know that those who say these things often make claims about what they want. But despite this, i really don’t believe that they actually know what they want. Sure, that is me being a bit judgmental, but that is the truth about how it strikes me.
Once again, I want new Star Wars films. I quite liked TFA and R1 despite their flaws. I am just baffled that where most people - even some of its harshest critics - see originality in TLJ, I see just a slight variation.
Here’s a question…how is Luke projecting his image across the galaxy for the final fight with the bad guy not a new idea?
The finale with Luke really seems to be the only significant original point.
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chyron8472 said:
TLJ dared to be new and unexpected and people hated it.I reject this notion that TLJ “dared to be new”. It’s pretty frustrating seeing that posted everywhere. It’s doing the same damn thing all over again, just with different characters and in a slightly different order.
and i reject the notion that these movies are the same but just sligtly tweaked. ::shrug::
Is it just a case of there being people who want new films, and people who don’t, or is there really more to it? I am not convinced that it is anything more than the first option (some people just don’t want new films, despite what they say).
Not sure if I understand. Are you saying I (and the minority who feels the same way) just don’t want new Star Wars films? If so, what are you basing this on?
I had this feeling in 2015 reading this forum as well…it’s like a bunch of you say you want Star Wars but then you don’t want lightsabers, or X-wings, or old Luke, or anything that is in any way Star Wars. And then when you get some things that are not Star Wars enough in your opinion, you say that nothing is connected to Star Wars in any meaningful way.
That is just a complete fallacy. Why are you doing this?
Why am I doing what?
Some of you (meaning those that don’t like the new movies) complain it’s too much like Star Wars. Others of you complain it’s not enough like Star Wars. Others complain about both in the same breath. I just can’t keep track of it, so if I missed the mark partially on your particular complaint, fine.
You think there’s nothing new in TLJ. Ok. I don’t even know how to process that.
I am not one of those that don’t like the new movies. I don’t like this one. There is new stuff in TLJ. Just not enough new stuff in terms of actual plot. You think it was a brave creative choice that this time around they killed the Emperor much sooner. Ok.
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chyron8472 said:
TLJ dared to be new and unexpected and people hated it.I reject this notion that TLJ “dared to be new”. It’s pretty frustrating seeing that posted everywhere. It’s doing the same damn thing all over again, just with different characters and in a slightly different order.
No. TLJ has plot twists galore. The main thing about the film is you think you know what’s going to happen but then it doesn’t. And that’s why it’s great.
You think Snoke is going to be the next Palpatine (ie. big bad who dies at the end of the third film), but he’s not.
You think Luke is going to mentor Rey but he doesn’t.
You think Leia is dead but she’s not.
You think someone or something on the Light Side is connecting Rey and Ren, but it’s Snoke, but it’s again not really.
You think Finn is going to destroy the tracker but he doesn’t and gets caught. You think there’s no way out except then BB-8 shows up in a chicken walker.
You think Poe is going to save the cruiser but he doesn’t.
You think it’s the Vice Admiral coming through the door but it isn’t.
You think Luke is on the planet fighting Ren but he’s not.
You think Ren is going to kill Rey but he doesn’t—he does exactly what Vader wanted to do in ESB but couldn’t.
It’s the best thing about the film. It keeps throwing curve balls.
Oh, and that business about Rey’s family being nobodies from nowheresville, Ren told her that, so there is no guarantee that he was not lying. But even if he wasn’t, I like the idea that not the whole of the The Force hinges directly on descendants of the House of Skywalker (as many people speculated that she was a daughter of Luke or Leia). As has been pointed out, many fans are now trying to speculate who “broom boy” at the end’s parents might be, when the point was that the Light Side would still continue with or without the Jedi Order, and in people whom you don’t expect.
That’s not plot twist galore, that’s a variation.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/plot_twist
plot twist
nounAn unexpected development in a book, film, television program, etc.
You can’t possibly tell me with a straight face that you expected Snoke to die when he did. Now that he died in the second film, that makes him no longer akin to the Emperor, since now there is a whole third of the trilogy without him. Palpatine was an integral part of the third act of Return of the Jedi. But Snoke is dead. Snoke is now no longer a part of the story going forward. And that’s a twist because everyone expected him to play the part of the Emperor from start to finish.
You’re right, I did not expect that. I didn’t expect that because it is a very odd narrative choice. This guy was set up to be a pretty important player, then they just throw him under the bus because they don’t know what to do with him unless they do exactly what they did in the OT.
You have nothing on which to base this assertion.
Not an assertion. Just a feeling I get from it all.
The film hits you in so many ways that you don’t expect, and people hate it because they’re too narrow minded to accept a story that does a lightspeed jump right through their expected headcanon.
I. Don’t. Even.
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chyron8472 said:
TLJ dared to be new and unexpected and people hated it.I reject this notion that TLJ “dared to be new”. It’s pretty frustrating seeing that posted everywhere. It’s doing the same damn thing all over again, just with different characters and in a slightly different order.
and i reject the notion that these movies are the same but just sligtly tweaked. ::shrug::
Is it just a case of there being people who want new films, and people who don’t, or is there really more to it? I am not convinced that it is anything more than the first option (some people just don’t want new films, despite what they say).
Not sure if I understand. Are you saying I (and the minority who feels the same way) just don’t want new Star Wars films? If so, what are you basing this on?
I had this feeling in 2015 reading this forum as well…it’s like a bunch of you say you want Star Wars but then you don’t want lightsabers, or X-wings, or old Luke, or anything that is in any way Star Wars. And then when you get some things that are not Star Wars enough in your opinion, you say that nothing is connected to Star Wars in any meaningful way.
That is just a complete fallacy. Why are you doing this? Where did I say I don’t want lightsabers, X-Wing or Luke? It is definitely Star Wars. It’s the story of Star Wars with a twist. Not sure if it fits the feel of Star Wars, but I wouldn’t really care about going in a different spiritual direction that if only they came up with actual new ideas to base the story on.
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chyron8472 said:
TLJ dared to be new and unexpected and people hated it.I reject this notion that TLJ “dared to be new”. It’s pretty frustrating seeing that posted everywhere. It’s doing the same damn thing all over again, just with different characters and in a slightly different order.
No. TLJ has plot twists galore. The main thing about the film is you think you know what’s going to happen but then it doesn’t. And that’s why it’s great.
You think Snoke is going to be the next Palpatine (ie. big bad who dies at the end of the third film), but he’s not.
You think Luke is going to mentor Rey but he doesn’t.
You think Leia is dead but she’s not.
You think someone or something on the Light Side is connecting Rey and Ren, but it’s Snoke, but it’s again not really.
You think Finn is going to destroy the tracker but he doesn’t and gets caught. You think there’s no way out except then BB-8 shows up in a chicken walker.
You think Poe is going to save the cruiser but he doesn’t.
You think it’s the Vice Admiral coming through the door but it isn’t.
You think Luke is on the planet fighting Ren but he’s not.
You think Ren is going to kill Rey but he doesn’t—he does exactly what Vader wanted to do in ESB but couldn’t.
It’s the best thing about the film. It keeps throwing curve balls.
Oh, and that business about Rey’s family being nobodies from nowheresville, Ren told her that, so there is no guarantee that he was not lying. But even if he wasn’t, I like the idea that not the whole of the The Force hinges directly on descendants of the House of Skywalker (as many people speculated that she was a daughter of Luke or Leia). As has been pointed out, many fans are now trying to speculate who “broom boy” at the end’s parents might be, when the point was that the Light Side would still continue with or without the Jedi Order, and in people whom you don’t expect.
That’s not plot twist galore, that’s a variation.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/plot_twist
plot twist
nounAn unexpected development in a book, film, television program, etc.
You can’t possibly tell me with a straight face that you expected Snoke to die when he did. Now that he died in the second film, that makes him no longer akin to the Emperor, since now there is a whole third of the trilogy without him. Palpatine was an integral part of the third act of Return of the Jedi. But Snoke is dead. Snoke is now no longer a part of the story going forward. And that’s a twist because everyone expected him to play the part of the Emperor from start to finish.
You’re right, I did not expect that. I didn’t expect that because it is a very odd narrative choice. This guy was set up to be a pretty important player, then they just throw him under the bus because they don’t know what to do with him unless they do exactly what they did in the OT.
At this point I wouldn’t be too surprised if there is a scene in Episode IX, in which ghost Luke sits on a log next to Rey and tells her the truth about her lineage. But people will be losing their shit, because this is completely different. Her parents don’t matter, but Obi-Wan is actually her grandfather! Plot twist galore.
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chyron8472 said:
TLJ dared to be new and unexpected and people hated it.I reject this notion that TLJ “dared to be new”. It’s pretty frustrating seeing that posted everywhere. It’s doing the same damn thing all over again, just with different characters and in a slightly different order.
and i reject the notion that these movies are the same but just sligtly tweaked. ::shrug::
Is it just a case of there being people who want new films, and people who don’t, or is there really more to it? I am not convinced that it is anything more than the first option (some people just don’t want new films, despite what they say).
Not sure if I understand. Are you saying I (and the minority who feels the same way) just don’t want new Star Wars films? If so, what are you basing this on?
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chyron8472 said:
TLJ dared to be new and unexpected and people hated it.I reject this notion that TLJ “dared to be new”. It’s pretty frustrating seeing that posted everywhere. It’s doing the same damn thing all over again, just with different characters and in a slightly different order.
No. TLJ has plot twists galore. The main thing about the film is you think you know what’s going to happen but then it doesn’t. And that’s why it’s great.
You think Snoke is going to be the next Palpatine (ie. big bad who dies at the end of the third film), but he’s not.
You think Luke is going to mentor Rey but he doesn’t.
You think Leia is dead but she’s not.
You think someone or something on the Light Side is connecting Rey and Ren, but it’s Snoke, but it’s again not really.
You think Finn is going to destroy the tracker but he doesn’t and gets caught. You think there’s no way out except then BB-8 shows up in a chicken walker.
You think Poe is going to save the cruiser but he doesn’t.
You think it’s the Vice Admiral coming through the door but it isn’t.
You think Luke is on the planet fighting Ren but he’s not.
You think Ren is going to kill Rey but he doesn’t—he does exactly what Vader wanted to do in ESB but couldn’t.
It’s the best thing about the film. It keeps throwing curve balls.
Oh, and that business about Rey’s family being nobodies from nowheresville, Ren told her that, so there is no guarantee that he was not lying. But even if he wasn’t, I like the idea that not the whole of the The Force hinges directly on descendants of the House of Skywalker (as many people speculated that she was a daughter of Luke or Leia). As has been pointed out, many fans are now trying to speculate who “broom boy” at the end’s parents might be, when the point was that the Light Side would still continue with or without the Jedi Order, and in people whom you don’t expect.
That’s not plot twist galore, that’s a variation.
This time around the emperor gets killed halfway through the second film.
The Jedi Master refuses to train the protagonist (well, sort of, he still delivers lessons).
Finn gets captured by the Empire after being betrayed by the scoundrel character. The astrodroid saves the day.
Vader invites the protagonist to join him in ruling the galaxy.
The finale with Luke really seems to be the only significant original point.
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chyron8472 said:
TLJ dared to be new and unexpected and people hated it.
I reject this notion that TLJ “dared to be new”. It’s pretty frustrating seeing that posted everywhere. It’s doing the same damn thing all over again, just with different characters and in a slightly different order.
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No one cares about R1 anymore?
IMDB ranking:
ESB
ANH
ROTJ
TFA
TLJ
ROTS
AOTC
TPMSounds about right.
Actually yeah! TPM sure ain’t the worst prequel but other than that this checks out. And I put R1 between ANH and ROTJ. 😃
I think it’s fair to ask the question, why the ST is following this trajectory? Is it really trying to tell it’s own story, or is it just trying to redo the OT in some form, but pretending that it isn’t by avoiding the same twists. A lot of the twists and turns, while different from the OT, seem to derive from taking an OT story thread, and doing the opposite. It follows the what if scenario:
What if Vader couldn’t be redeemed?
What if Vader overthrew the Emperor?
What if Yoda refused to train Luke?
Many of the beats of the story of TLJ are very similar to TESB with the ROTJ throne room sequence thrown into the mix. Bad guys attack good guy base. Bad guys chase good guys (albeit a lot slower). Young hero goes to backwater planet to be trained by Jedi Master. Young hero defies her teacher, by going after the bad guy. Rogue betrays good guys. Bad guy fails to turn the hero to the dark side. Heroes end up in a tight spot.
Of course by taking the what if scenario, the ST is abandoning several of the underlying themes of the OT that drive the OT’s twists. Which begs the question, is Star Wars more defined by it’s themes, or by it’s story beats? My view is, that it is the former, and a new Star Wars trilogy that is based on the same themes, but has different story beats is better than a Star Wars trilogy, that is based on different themes, but largely follows the same story beats.
Thank you! I’m just so relieved I am not the only one who is bothered by all this. I don’t care about a Yoda puppet, space battles, space horses, Maz Kanaata, captain Phasma, a person floating through space, flashbacks, wipes being too fast, R2 being too blue, lightsabers being too short, and Luke’s hair being too long. I care about the story. This is what people who tell stories for living came up with. All I want is some fresh ideas. Instead I got fresh visuals to go with the old ideas.
Speaking of other message boards, I just read this on another one, and it’s spot on.
All this discussion and posting really shows the tough part about working on franchises like this - I doubt there was nearly this much discussion, theorizing and fanboying for the original trilogy. It was fresh and there was no internet, not to mention no years of backstories, extended universe and ages for people to decide what Star Wars was to them. I don’t think you could ever make a perfect movie now for it that will satisfy everyone or even most people - again that’s why I respect Rian for doing what he did in this film.
This is why I originally felt that the original main characters like Luke, Leia, and Han shouldn’t be in the new trilogy.
But then I thought about it and changed my mind as I was expecting to have a badass all powerful Luke Skywalker. I figured it’d be worth the risk to be able to see a Luke kicking ass. But then we didn’t even get that. Oh well.
I doubt two years ago people would have said they wanted a Luke Skywalker who was living like a hermit in isolation and doesn’t really do anything in the movie as far as Jedi battles go, etc.
Oh, i think Luke was quite kick-ass in this.
What I mean is Luke doing Jedi master battles and things like in the extended universe. Or even something like the lightsaber battles in the prequels. We didn’t get any of that.
Thank goodness.
Seconded. I don’t want to see Luke jumping around doing backflips and stuff like prequels Yoda.
I probably wouldn’t have wanted to see that either. But would have wanted something like the lightsaber battles in Empire or Jedi, but taken up a couple of notches.
I would have loved a new trilogy about the Jedi Temple and Luke running it but a new Sith Lord comes about and turns one of his powerful pupils to the dark side.
But I think Disney wanted to sell toys, and thus needed Storm Troopers and the New Order in this new trilogy.
You know what would be cool? A Netflix (or HBO or whatever) miniseries about Luke’s attempts to rebuild the Jedi before Kylo was born (or maybe Kylo’s a kid in it).
It could happen. Give Hamill more work and us more Luke. Please.
I kept thinking the entire time that the story that was hinted at in the flashbacks was the story I was actually pretty interested to see. Instead we got a confused remake of the original trilogy.
The problem is that the first part of this new story strongly hints, that Rey’s parentage actually matters and then suddenly this other guy takes over the story and just goes “yeah, we’re not doing any of that”.
I strongly disagree. JJ’s statements about the force show he had the same reveal in mind. Rey’s parents only matter in terms of it matters to Rey. No one in TFA says her parents are important besides her, in fact if anything they say the opposite.
I’m talking about her Force vision, Anakin’s lightsaber calling to her and Ben Kenobi’s voice speaking to her. They have absolutely no idea what this meant when they set this up and it will probably amount to nothing at all. Maybe some clever writer will deal with that in a comic book or something.
The lightsaber represented Luke, the mission to find him, and the force in general. When she touched it she saw Luke’s history (and heard from his mentors) because it was once his saber. It called to her because the journey to find Luke and learn the force called to her.
At the end of the film, Kylo Ren claims ownership of the saber. Yet who grabs it when it’s stuck in the snow? It ties into the whole idea of the force belonging to everyone and not just the Skywalkers.
Cool. Maybe you could be the clever writer who fills in the gaps. 😃 How about that ship leaving Jakku? What should they do about that?
Two options:
- Ben wasn’t 100% right - they didn’t trade her for drinking money, they traded her for a ship to get off Jakku.
- She tried to escape from Unkar Plutt aboard that ship, but he caught her before she made it.
Neither really works, I think. If they traded her for a ship, why would Ben/RJ randomly hide that fact from us? And how would Unkar Plutt fit into this Force vision? This just screams of retcon either way.
The problem is that the first part of this new story strongly hints, that Rey’s parentage actually matters and then suddenly this other guy takes over the story and just goes “yeah, we’re not doing any of that”.
I strongly disagree. JJ’s statements about the force show he had the same reveal in mind. Rey’s parents only matter in terms of it matters to Rey. No one in TFA says her parents are important besides her, in fact if anything they say the opposite.
I’m talking about her Force vision, Anakin’s lightsaber calling to her and Ben Kenobi’s voice speaking to her. They have absolutely no idea what this meant when they set this up and it will probably amount to nothing at all. Maybe some clever writer will deal with that in a comic book or something.
The lightsaber represented Luke, the mission to find him, and the force in general. When she touched it she saw Luke’s history (and heard from his mentors) because it was once his saber. It called to her because the journey to find Luke and learn the force called to her.
At the end of the film, Kylo Ren claims ownership of the saber. Yet who grabs it when it’s stuck in the snow? It ties into the whole idea of the force belonging to everyone and not just the Skywalkers.
Cool. Maybe you could be the clever writer who fills in the gaps. 😃 How about that ship leaving Jakku? What should they do about that?
I’m not saying the “force back” as they call it is perfectly done. I think it’s a little messy and lacks a solid flow. But I have no problem with what it represents - the force. The light, and the dark. The ship leaving Jakku is part of the dark side, tapping into Rey’s fears of abandonment and isolation. TLJ makes this connection explicit.
That’s pretty good, but it just sounds like bit of a conjecture. Kinda makes me think that with this amount of creative interpretation you could even twist anything in the prequels to actually make sense.
The problem is that the first part of this new story strongly hints, that Rey’s parentage actually matters and then suddenly this other guy takes over the story and just goes “yeah, we’re not doing any of that”.
I strongly disagree. JJ’s statements about the force show he had the same reveal in mind. Rey’s parents only matter in terms of it matters to Rey. No one in TFA says her parents are important besides her, in fact if anything they say the opposite.
I’m talking about her Force vision, Anakin’s lightsaber calling to her and Ben Kenobi’s voice speaking to her. They have absolutely no idea what this meant when they set this up and it will probably amount to nothing at all. Maybe some clever writer will deal with that in a comic book or something.
The lightsaber represented Luke, the mission to find him, and the force in general. When she touched it she saw Luke’s history (and heard from his mentors) because it was once his saber. It called to her because the journey to find Luke and learn the force called to her.
At the end of the film, Kylo Ren claims ownership of the saber. Yet who grabs it when it’s stuck in the snow? It ties into the whole idea of the force belonging to everyone and not just the Skywalkers.
Cool. Maybe you could be the clever writer who fills in the gaps. 😃 How about that ship leaving Jakku? What should they do about that?
Some just nitpick, some dislike it because it is supposedly too different, some dislike it because it is not different enough.