Wexter

Ed Slushie said:

Wexter said:

QEXP said:

I haven’t looked through all 3,000+ replies to this topic, so forgive me if someone has already pitched this.

Is there a feasible way to remove both Snoke and Palpatine from the entire sequel trilogy, and have Kylo Ren as the sole main villain?

Getting rid of Snoke in The Force Awakens is no problem, he only has a few scenes.

The Last Jedi would be a bit more of a problem. The Snoke’s Throne Room scene would have to go, or at least be heavily altered.

Snoke isn’t a problem in Rise of Skywalker, but the Emperor poses some major issues. The Force battle finale on the ground on Exegol would have to go. Maybe the space battle could be salvaged, but Rey v Grandpa Sheev would definitely get cut. Maybe the Rey/Kylo lightsaber fight on the Death Star wreckage could serve as the final battle?

Anyone has any suggestions on how to make this crazy idea work, hit me back!

I think this could work reasonably well as a 2-in-1 edit of TFA and TLJ. I’m not so sure there are any parts of TROS that are worth salvaging (or even useable for a project like this).

Other than that just edit out any scene involving Snoke and any reference to him. Make Kylo turn to the dark side simply because of his ambition and his Vader fanboyism. Luckily both of the sequel trilogy’s big baddies feel pretty tacked-on and don’t really connect to any of the backstory until Rey becomes a Palpatine, so this idea could be feasible and could even make for a stronger story.

I actually had an idea kind of similar to this, though I don’t remember posting it. Basically, remove the cave scene and its aftermath from TLJ. Instead, reinstate the “caretaker village” deleted scene and have Rey leave the planet right after it - this way it seems like she’s going to go help the resistance herself instead of confronting Kylo. Then she doesn’t reappear until the battle of Crait.

I’d have TLJ play out pretty much the way it does (besides heavily reducing the Resistance “B” plot). Then I guess you could end on the final scene from TROS with some alterations. Rey buries Anakin’s broken lightsaber at the Lars homestead and comes to terms with being “Rey Nobody”, having realised that’s what the cave on Ach-To has been telling her. But the original TLJ ending probably works better than that.

QEXP said:

I haven’t looked through all 3,000+ replies to this topic, so forgive me if someone has already pitched this.

Is there a feasible way to remove both Snoke and Palpatine from the entire sequel trilogy, and have Kylo Ren as the sole main villain?

Getting rid of Snoke in The Force Awakens is no problem, he only has a few scenes.

The Last Jedi would be a bit more of a problem. The Snoke’s Throne Room scene would have to go, or at least be heavily altered.

Snoke isn’t a problem in Rise of Skywalker, but the Emperor poses some major issues. The Force battle finale on the ground on Exegol would have to go. Maybe the space battle could be salvaged, but Rey v Grandpa Sheev would definitely get cut. Maybe the Rey/Kylo lightsaber fight on the Death Star wreckage could serve as the final battle?

Anyone has any suggestions on how to make this crazy idea work, hit me back!

I think this could work reasonably well as a 2-in-1 edit of TFA and TLJ. I’m not so sure there are any parts of TROS that are worth salvaging (or even useable for a project like this).

Other than that just edit out any scene involving Snoke and any reference to him. Make Kylo turn to the dark side simply because of his ambition and his Vader fanboyism. Luckily both of the sequel trilogy’s big baddies feel pretty tacked-on and don’t really connect to any of the backstory until Rey becomes a Palpatine, so this idea could be feasible and could even make for a stronger story.

Mocata said:

Wexter said:

rebothejedi said:

Yeah but it doesn’t make sense why they would hire a martial artist to play such an insignificant role

She might be someone’s friend or cousin who happens to be a martial artist…

Or she was doing stunts without getting any screen time herself and they gave her a cameo.

This is actually the likeliest explanation.

rebothejedi said:

Yeah but it doesn’t make sense why they would hire a martial artist to play such an insignificant role

She might be someone’s friend or cousin who happens to be a martial artist…

Don’t let the sequels ruin your enjoyment of the rest of the saga. Just ignore them. Many people do.

jedi_bendu said:

I actually think the Darktrooper theme is great. I never listen to dubstep, but I’m glad Ludwig Goransson is drawing on so many different styles and making his soundtrack experimental.

Agreed. He certainly draws from a much more modern set of influences than Williams, but he manages to stay grounded in a solid classical approach. Very fitting choice for a series like this.

WtarSars said:

fair enough thanks guys, here’s another one. So Boba’s armor is now canonically beskar yes? if so how does his jetpack malfunction from a staff on jabbas barge but Din’s can take a lightsaber hit?

If I’m not mistaken, the jetpack malfunction happens in The Marshall as well when Din hits the jet on Cobb’s back. Therefore it is probably not as protected as the rest of his outfit.

Replace each occurrence of the word ‘karabast’ in Star Wars Rebels with actual profanity.

I agree TLJ has a clear creative vision, my problem with that one is that the vision simply doesn’t gel with the previous seven films. Rian was clearly passionate about his film, he just didn’t seem to care all that much for the rest of the saga – and even less so for the larger lore. Giving him a spin-off film or series set in a different time period would have clearly been a much better choice.

SparkySywer said:

The prequels were a hundred thousand times more unpopular than the sequels, and Lucasfilm had the means and opportunity to decanonize them from 2012-2014 and be met by happy fans, but they didn’t. They’re not going to retcon or rewrite the sequels.

Lucas stood by the prequels to the end. I don’t think anybody is all that passionate about the sequels. The prequels were Lucas’s child, the sequels are just a (lacklustre) product.

I find it ironic that the sequels begun by throwing a lot of shade at the prequels, to an extent understandably so (“this will begin to make things right”), but by the end they were desperate enough to cling to prequel memes in an attempt to hold any sort of legitimacy.

What I really want to know it this: did Luke travel all the way back home with Grogu on his lap or did they steal a bigger ship from the hangar?

For a while there, I really thought Gideon solved that little dilemma by gunning down Bo-Katan. But no, she’s fine.

I feel like Rangers might be a smaller story set in the Outer Rim, if it is indeed supposed to be connected to the Mandalorian. On the other hand, Rogue Squadron could possibly serve the same purpose as the original X-Wing book series. Those revolved around mostly new characters and depicted some key events in the early years of the New Republic, including the capture of Coruscant. That could still work if it is supposed to be set after TROS, but I really hope it isn’t.

I hope that turns out to be inaccurate, because if we just got to see new Rebellion defeat the new Empire in order to establish the new New Republic with the help of new Rogue Squadron, I don’t think it could possibly get any more ridiculous than that.

Seriously, how is the name “Rogue Squadron” even relevant 40 years after the event that gave it its name? Wouldn’t it be more appropriate to have a “Skywalker Squadron”? Or “Ackbar Squadron”?

ZkinandBonez said:

Wexter said:

But Xizor (and more importantly the Black Sun) already is canon, so there are possibilities there. Dash Rendar I could give or take.

Xizor would make for a really cool re-canonized villain, but I didn’t know he’d been brought back. I remember seeing the Black Sun and the Falleen species in TCW though.

Well according to Wookiepedia, he only became canon because of an inclusion in a cookbook, so pardon the pun and take it with a pinch of salt…

JakeRyan17 said:

Wexter said:

Well fuck Pablo Hidalgo if that’s the case. I wouldn’t hope for a full on SOTE adaptation at this point, but there is a motherlode of great ideas that they developed for it back in the 90s. Combine that with new stuff and you could have a show similar in structure to the Clone Wars spanning from shortly after Yavin to shortly after Endor.

They’ve filled that space so much though, especially with comics and even the new Rogue Squadron movie. I don’t think it’s a bad idea for them to move out of the OT. Seems like they’re trying to slowly edge away from it, with things set 6+ years after and 5-10 years before.

Wexter said:

I can’t see why LAL couldn’t be working within two eras at the same time. They kinda did just that with Rebels and Resistance.

I’m sure they will work in multiple eras, I just think the goal is to show more love to new places that haven’t already got so much going on. I’m pretty sure the main reason Bad Batch is happening is because they were the last characters created by George with Dave.

Also, LAL is such a tiny piece of Lucasfilm. Like, look at those credits. Most of Rebels, Resistance, and Clone Wars are all the same crew. Any overlap was just in the final and first seasons between shows. The people who are different look like new hires replacing people who left for other projects outside of Lucasfilm/Disney.

I loved Shadows as well, and would love for Dash and Xizor to come back in some way… but Boba’s characterisation in Mandalorian already is at odds with Shadows.

Yes, the fact that the OT era is so filled up with new comic series (IMO mostly sub-par, sadly) doesn’t bode too well for an animated show starring the classic characters.

But Xizor (and more importantly the Black Sun) already is cannon, so there are possibilities there. Dash Rendar I could give or take.

JakeRyan17 said:

Wexter said:

I wonder how many seasons of Bad Batch are we in store for. I can’t really see seven or even four years worth of stories based around these characters.

I would imagine a few. I doubt enough to connect up to Solo or Obi-Wan Kenobi. I could see four seasons, maybe more though.

Wexter said:

And when it’s done, I’m still hoping for an animated series based on Shadows Of The Empire and set during and after the original trilogy. I know that wouldn’t be breaking any new ground but I feel like the animated shows have done a great job so far expanding the story around the core films and I hope they continue to do so.

Shadows will not happen. Pablo Hidalgo and some of the other story gurus hate it too much. I imagine LAL will move onto The High Republic or another less-explored part of the timeline next.

Well fuck Pablo Hidalgo if that’s the case. I wouldn’t hope for a full on SOTE adaptation at this point, but there is a motherlode of great ideas that they developed for it back in the 90s. Combine that with new stuff and you could have a show similar in structure to the Clone Wars spanning from shortly after Yavin to shortly after Endor.

I can’t see why LAL couldn’t be working within two eras at the same time. They kinda did just that with Rebels and Resistance.

I wonder how many seasons of Bad Batch are we in store for. I can’t really see seven or even four years worth of stories based around these characters. And when it’s done, I’m still hoping for an animated series based on Shadows Of The Empire and set during and after the original trilogy. I know that wouldn’t be breaking any new ground but I feel like the animated shows have done a great job so far expanding the story around the core films and I hope they continue to do so.

How would you deal with the damage done to Razor Crest?

I wonder if Bad Batch will overlap with the Clone Wars to some extent. The Palpatine bit in the trailer would suggest so. If that’s the case, you may just treat both of these shows as one whole.

Oh I love how this looks

jedi_bendu said:

I think this episode was Favreau and Rodriguez playing with Star Wars action figures a bit - and I mean that in a good way - but I don’t see that as a recurring feature of the show. I don’t think any characters from The Mandalorian have been any less interesting than characters from the original trilogy.

Oh I have no issue with the characters, I think they’re great. It’s the plot that seems to meander at times, but maybe everything will fall into place in the end.

Cthulhunicron said:

Just rewatched the episode. That one trooper flying off the Boulder looks a bit odd, but the rest of the lighting, effects, and direction still look fine to me. shrugs

Same. I don’t even see the problem with the trooper being thrown against the rock, seems like a nitpick to me.

On the other hand, when Fennec rolls the boulder downhill and the trooper at the heavy blaster just stands there for a couple of seconds waiting to be crushed, that did look really silly to me.

EDIT: Also the latest episode seems to have been appreciated much better pretty much everywhere else than on this site (according to IMDB second highest rating after the Ahsoka episode). The point about Filoni and Favreau just moving action figures around does seem to be somewhat valid, though. However, that’s not an issue with the last episode specifically. Ever since the beginning I felt that this show does provide some excellent little Star Wars moments but right now I can’t really see them amounting to a satisfying and coherent story. I could still be proven wrong, though.

DuracellEnergizer said:

The PT & ST reflect each other perfectly — equally terrible in diametrically polar ways.

Is this really an unpopular opinion? Thought it was cannon…

jidaigekijunkie said:

Hey everyone, I was wondering if maybe you could help me with something regarding season 2. I haven’t started it yet but I have a question. I haven’t seen the Clone Wars animated show and I was wondering if it is neccessary or maybe at least recommended to appreciate Ashoka’s appearance in The Mandalorian? Hopefully they give her a good enough standalone introduction so as to not alienate people unfamiliar with Clone Wars.

It is good to be aware of her, but you don’t need to be absolutely familiar with her to appreciate her as a character on this show (so far, at least).