Interesting idea, but I can’t recall any indication in the script or the novel that Artoo was piloting the pod.
Don’t know about the script or the novel, but this was established in the radio drama. It actually does a good job at evading some of the plot problems (another being R2 sabotaging Skippy on the sandcrawler), while possibly introducing others.
Wexter said:
No, that is the unlikely happy ending for the main character. It happens in movies (the original Star Wars for example). Star Wars is and always has been best enjoyed if you suspend your disbelief as much as possible. Implausibilities and strokes of luck have always been a huge part of this franchise. To me, it makes no sense to criticize a Star Wars film for having implausible plot.Implausible. Complex. These are not the words you are looking for.
The word is inconsistent. The story is not consistent with its own internal logic. That is the problem.
And what internal logic would that be? Is there a Star Wars rule saying that a powerful dark side user cannot be under any circumstances bested by an unlikely opponent? I haven’t read all the books, so I wouldn’t know…
Wexter said:
I personally love stuff like the freezing of the laser bolt.I don’t have a problem with it. I thought it looked good on the screen. The problem many of us had was that Kylo suddenly doesn’t have any of these abilities in the last fight.
That kinda supports the point I made in the rest of my post. It’s one thing to show off with stopping laser bolts and whatnot, but in a one-on-one fight when you’re bleeding, running out of time before the world blows up and have just murdered your own father, you might just not be in your prime fighting condition. Therefore I don’t see this outcome of the fight as implausible at all. If Kylo was as powerful at that moment as he appeared to be in the opening scene, there really wouldn’t be much of a fight – he’d probably just grab Rey and Finn by the collar with the Force and throw them in the trunk. This character is not a badass, he is just posing as one. A dark lord of the Sith wannabe.
In the very same fight, he threw Rey against a tree with the force and knocked her out. Then when she revived, he was easily beating her for most of the fight.
Then suddenly, for no reason other than the writer wanted Rey to win, she suddenly beats him. Kylo forgets all these other powers he has. He forgets that he could freeze her in place just as he had done to her earlier in the film. He forgets he could lift her into the air and fling her into a tree, just as he had done in the same scene even! He just loses because, welp, we want him to lose.
That’s as lazy and amateur as it gets.
No, that is the unlikely happy ending for the main character. It happens in movies (the original Star Wars for example). Star Wars is and always has been best enjoyed if you suspend your disbelief as much as possible. Implausibilities and strokes of luck have always been a huge part of this franchise. To me, it makes no sense to criticize a Star Wars film for having implausible plot. It only makes sense to criticize the film it is not enjoyable. That is why the prequels fail, IMO – not because the story is silly, but because they are boring.
But good Lord does have have the temperament for one especially now that he’s fully given himself to the darkside.
His progression is what I’m looking the most forward too in the sequels.
+1!
Wexter said:
I personally love stuff like the freezing of the laser bolt.I don’t have a problem with it. I thought it looked good on the screen. The problem many of us had was that Kylo suddenly doesn’t have any of these abilities in the last fight.
That kinda supports the point I made in the rest of my post. It’s one thing to show off with stopping laser bolts and whatnot, but in a one-on-one fight when you’re bleeding, running out of time before the world blows up and have just murdered your own father, you might just not be in your prime fighting condition. Therefore I don’t see this outcome of the fight as implausible at all. If Kylo was as powerful at that moment as he appeared to be in the opening scene, there really wouldn’t be much of a fight – he’d probably just grab Rey and Finn by the collar with the Force and throw them in the trunk. This character is not a badass, he is just posing as one. A dark lord of the Sith wannabe.
Alderaan said:
“Complete his training” is relative. If he’s already enough of a badass to freeze someone in mid-air with his mind at will, or stop blaster bolts in mid-air at will, or telekinetically fling people through the air at will, then you would assume “complete his training” would give him some powers even greater than those, not just help him remember he has those powers instead of forgetting about them when the plot conveniently calls for it.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but there is a bit more to the mastery of Force than cool magic tricks. For example learning to refrain from shoving your supernatural ability into everyone’s face.
I personally love stuff like the freezing of the laser bolt. It makes perfect sense in the context of how I see Kylo Ren. He didn’t need to freeze the bolt, there were dozens of other ways he could have deflected it. But this one was the coolest one. He desperately wants to be like Darth Vader. He might have inherited some of his talents, but right now he still knows he is nowhere as feared and respected as Vader was. Vader would probably not have stopped a laser bolt mid-air. He could if he wanted to, but to him that would be just senseless showing off. On the other hand Kylo is a far different character. Most of all he wants to make an impression. And if the surviving witnesses of his stunt are anything like us, they are discussing what they saw to this day.
Anyway, that’s my interpretation, which is probably a tad more favourable than others. 😃
what I don’t understand is that when Finn and Rey are hidding in the millinium falcon with the gasmasks on.
How did Han solo found them right away?
Maybe I missed some thing there in the movie (I was consuming a rather large bucket of ben and jerrys there =)
Umm… Han suspected there would be people hidden on board and the first place he would look was the same place he himself hid once before. What’s so strange about that?
HyperNova said:
WHAT HAPPENED TO HYPERSPEED ???
No mentioning of that in the movie. It’s all a bout LIGHTSPEED all of a sudden.
Light speed was always a part of Star Wars vocabulary. Nothing wrong with that.
HyperNova said:
the systems must be ridiculously close to one eachother to travel a few minutes in lightspeed to get to another system right??
Does not compute here…
Again this has always been been the case in this franchise. We were never told how hyperspace travel works in this universe. It only took a short while to get from Tatooine to Alderaan or from Hoth to Dagobah.
First of all: I loved TFA, even though plot-wise it was far from perfect. I think most of my problems are related to the Starkiller. Why would they create an elaborate superweapon that can only fire twice? So what if it was just about to be completed and only needed to swallow the sun to become fully operational? That way we could cut the destruction of Hosnian Prime (aka the planet we’ve never seen before and now it’s gone). The backstory would probably require some changing to give the new Republic a reason to declare war, but we’d have to wait for the sequels to see where the plot is going before doing such a change…
OK, my turn now!
SW: 8/10
An exciting movie with some minor pacing and character issues.
ESB: 9/10
Taking the characters from the previous movie and doing something really interesting with them.
ROTJ: 5.5/10
Upon rewatching this one I was surprised how underwhelming it was. The pacing is terrible compared to the previous two films. I feel like the same story could have been told in under an hour.
TPM: 4.5/10
An incredibly boring Star Wars movie.
AOTC: 2/10
A terrible movie that doesn’t feel like Star Wars at all.
ROTS: 3/10
The magic is still lost, but at least this one has its nice moments when compared to the previous one.
TFA: 7/10
I think the overall story doesn’t really work all that well, however, this is certainly a character movie. No Star Wars film has ever had characters that were this well written and played (yeah, I went there). The movie did a great job at introducing new likeable heroes and I really hope the creators of the sequels will put them into some amazing adventures.
Stoned out of reality. On mute. With my eyes poked out.
Actually TPM feels like (yet another) rehash of ANH. Just imagine TPM starting on Tatooine with Anakin and it's pretty much the same thing. He's the prodigy pilot on Tatooine, joins the Jedi on a big adventure, they save the girl (a royalty) while she's being held captive. they devise a plan to defeat the evil-doers and the boy, who has just begun discovering the Force blows up the enemy's battle station in space saving the day for everyone. Both end on a slightly cheesy celebration scene as well.
It's poetry, y'know.
cain spaans said:
Alright I will type more professionally.
I suggest consulting a professional typer. They don't charge much and make all the difference in the world.
This is just not fair. I am starting to think that Cain is just leading us on. I am starting to think the documentary to end all documentaries is ever going to happen. I mean how can we trust this guy? What if he is some kind of sadistic lunatic? I want answers!
I am not rude, the thing was supposed to be done like last week. Is there no decency left on the internet?
cain spaans said:
I want to know if anybody want to see a preservation of the Star Wars Special Edition Trilogy
I want to see SW:POO and I want to see it now! :(
imperialscum said:
Wexter said:
Saying that Ewoks are the same as Jawas is crazy. Jawas are mostly background entity that serves as a plot device for the droids to get from A to B. Ewoks are the reson the Alliance managed to defeat the Empire.
Like Ewoks contributed to the destruction of DS2, so did Jawas contribute to the destruction of DS1. As I said earlier, if Jawas didn't pick up the two droids in the desert they would easily be spotted and captured by imps and the rebels would not get the plans. This is completely equivalent to Ewoks providing distraction for the rebels to blow up the bunker and eventually DS2.
Well, this is not "completely equivalent", since Ewoks voluntarily participated in a rather elaborate battle plan, while Jawas just collected two lost droids in a desert and tried to sell them for money, which is something they have been doing all their lives, R2 and 3PO or not.
Not gonna continue this discussion any longer, because I realize we are not going to agree on this, but I don't need this, I know I'm righ.
=> ;-)
Bingowings said:
I think if you return to the text and the author's stated intention you will find the Ewoks do slaughter the Imperials while the Rebels, when capable, fire some laser beams and get shot in the arm or robot (serves them right for not painting their robots green if you ask me).
Nothing too wrong with that if the Ewoks are a fierce warrior people and not slapstick comedy teddy bears capable of laying magic traps in a matter of moments under the full gaze of the troops that will be killed by them.
Jedi stinks.
The good moments it has are tied down by the stench of the sort of "It'll do", "It's only a movie", "It's for kids" mentality that would later lead to the worst prequel trilogy since... ever!
QFT!
Saying that Ewoks are the same as Jawas is crazy. Jawas are mostly background entity that serves as a plot device for the droids to get from A to B. Ewoks are the reson the Alliance managed to defeat the Empire.
edit: nvm
cain spaans said:
you guys may not like the PT but when I saw ROTS I thought that was the best theater experience ever but then I saw James Bond Skyfall and I was proved wrong but I wonder if episode VII will top that
You should check out that Battlefield Earth flick. It is like James Bond... IN SPACE!
So... exactly how rough are we talking about here? And what's the ETA on this?
Jesus take time off or just quit your job. After all this is a documentary to end all documentaries, what can possibly be more important?
By my calculations this should be about done now, correct?
regularjoe said:
With all the myriad of species in the Star Wars universe the humans in that setting may not even have an incest taboo.
If the royalty of Naboo is anything like that of Europe in the 17 & 1800's there certainly would have be a lot of....er......close relationships.
The royalty of Naboo is elected, which makes it quite unlike any royalty from European history.
Jake Lloyd needs to make a force ghost appearance. Perhaps yelling out "yipee" as his head fades into the picture.
I think there is no reason to believe the extra footage contained anything but 13 more laps of the podrace and an extended tour of Otoh Gunga in which we meet all 27 members of Jar Jar's family.
One thing I would consider plausible would be some subplot involving Darth Maul to give him at least a hint of personality.
imperialscum said:
It just amazes me seeing people say that OOT should be restored. I takes just a little computer knowledge to see that it is already restored. When they digitalised and cleaned the film stock for the purpose of 1997 SE (which in average yields higher resolution than 1080p Blu-Ray), they without doubt first copied that data of hi-res digitalised theatrical version on at least several hard disks before started altering one of the copies. When they applied the changes for the 1997 SE, then they actually reduced the size/resolution to fit Laserdisc.
If you ask me, the theatrical versions are already digitalised and cleaned up somewhere in LucasFilm archives. That is unless Lucas specifically ordered to destroy the source data.
The official story is that the source data has been altered with all of George's new visions, so...
If this is actually true, it would mean the people who made those decisions are unprofessional idiots, but it is not implausible.