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#260228
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Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
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Originally posted by: CO
I found this post on TFn, and it justifies what has happened to the saga when watching the PT first, and totally justifies my points of now someone thinking the OT is average, including our beloved Star Wars from 1977. Read on and make your own assessments of how new fans 1-6 will view it:


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Author Topic: Has anyone here ever seen the PT before the OT?
dvdcdr
Registered: Aug '06

Date Posted: 11/27 5:53pm Subject: Has anyone here ever seen the PT before the OT?
Hmm, I may be the only one.

But the point I'm trying to make is, I think the PT is often bashed because it is not nessecarily worse than the OT but different. They honestly are two completely different types of movies, both good in their own respect. However, the first Star Wars movie you see will stick in your head forever. you'll always be preprogrammed to think of star wars as that movie, or at least the trilogy it is part of.

A few years back, with talks of ROTS, everyone kept telling me I had to watch the Star Wars movies. When I kept telling them I didn't know which one to get, they'd say ANH. Confused, I went and rented Phantom Menace. And despite everyone saying how horrible Phatom Menace is, I actually kinda liked it. It wasn't my favorite movie ever, but it was my first taste of Star Wars and I found GL's style of moviemaking very appealing. I could've stopped watching thet SW films right there, but I decided to continue because I happened to like TPM.

I moved on to AOTC, which I liked even more. I thought it a very good film, with good special effects, music, and story. I also did not know about Palpatine becoming emporor or anything at the time, so the story was very perplexing to me.

Then came ROTS! I LOVED IT!!!!!! It's one of my favorite movies of all time! I was going nuts when I saw that movie!!!!!!!! And throughout the whole time, everyone was telling me I was gonna like the OT even better.

So, I eventually watch ANH, and, well, uh...I did not like it at all. I didn't like the unepic lightsaber battle, i didn't like the corniness, i didn't like the plot at all (it really didn't have the right flow to it, with a lot of plot twists and everything. half the movie was just them running around on the death star, and that bored me), i ddidnt like the little catchphrases like nerfherder or anything, and more than anything i did not like the random shooting scenes such as on the beginning with the tantiv IV. even johnny william's music didn't seem as good. now i know it was a different era of filmmaking, and the movie must be good because so many people love it, but it just wasn't what i had in mind. because when i htought of star wars at the time, it was the pt.

i forced myself to watch ESB, which was a lot better, but still not prefered over the pt.

and then ROTJ, not as good as ESB, but better than ANH. It was just an ehhhh movie


Now I'm not here to bash the OT, because it can't be bad or else it wouldn't be so popular. All's I'm saying though is it kind of depends what you watch first.

Just as all the OT fans watching the PT missed Han Solo, the banter, vader, the space battles, ect.

I missed the effects, the epic feel, the music, the plot twists, the drama, the superior use of the force and the lightsaber, and dare i say, it jar jar. no, i wont take it that far.


This right here is exactly why this site is so important.

Damn there's so much wrong with this situation, not just with that backwards perspective on star wars but also Lucas' constant revisions of the originals, people need to be made aware of the history of this franchise more now than EVER before.

It's just so wrong it disgusts me, outright. Like if someone were to tell me, a terminator fan, that T3 kicks the original's ass. I'd feel they needed a reality check. Possibly with my fist but violence isn't the answer unfortunately... damn...

I can definitely see myself becoming one of those trying to preserve history for the youth of tomorrow. I hate how it's just about money to lucas, just about finding a way to make more money from his legion of suckers who'll buy anything he sells. Fuck that. There are people willing to restore and preserve the OT by today's standards for FREE on this very board and I honestly think he'd never allow it unless it could be profitable... it's so sad. Something is very wrong about all this...

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#259239
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my memory isn't that bad, is it? (in SW '77 - Luke misses with the grappling hook?)
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oh come on. I saw it with my own eyes, twice when it aired on tv.

It's a common thing. Superman when broadcast on tv had deleted scenes and stuff put back in to extend its length for whatever reason. Maybe it's the same with star wars... I don't know. But this is no urban legend... someone out there must have this on tape.
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#259234
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Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
But had they "gone nuts", wouldn't that have just been an opportunity for them to drop even more story and just have even more hours of CG battles?


I've got a bad feeling about this... Absolutely, in GL's hands that's all it'd probably be. I can't say that with certainty because we'll never know. The only star wars prequel story that totally takes place during the clone wars is of course the cartoon series. I'm just saying the battles would seem less pointless if the war were a more central point of the story.

I personally wouldn't miss all the tax disputes and rolling in the grass anyway...

What I liked seeing in the clone wars toon was the impact War on these people. Some want to end it, some want to prolong it, some don't care. I guess it'd be a lot like LOTR. There's romance too but at its core its a story of heros versus villains and god, these Villains didn't seem like clowns, they were a serious threat... Anakin wasn't crying and pouting though he still of course retained some of his jerk attitude but whatever, in the next chapter he was kicking ass, eating bugs, being the best pilot ever and liking it... man, everything we were being told about this man was actually being shown. That's what I waited years to see... hmm I'll check my dvd right now in fact. It's been a long while since i've seen this show.

Oh and another very well written story about the clone wars that I loved was the story for the Star Wars battlfront game voiced by Temeura Morrison recounting the war journals of the 501st Legion. This was brilliant. That's what I'm trying to clarify here when I say I'd have liked the war to be a greater part of the story than something that happens offscreen between the movies. In this, we see and hear how the clone wars were viewed through the eyes of a clone trooper and what's very interesting to me was not only play the videogame and blowing stuff up, which was fun, but we hear the troopers question themselves, and they really seem so human, yet they're slaves to their owner's will. That's something I'd never have really realized just by seeing the films. In this way I think there's so much potential in a star wars story that's actually about war. We can go in and see it not just from the beginning or the end, but right in the middle when you don't really know who's going to win and the robots actually seem like dangerous terminators, not silly toys...

So I conclude not just because of star wars can war give way to good drama and cool cgi stuff, but the cartoons, the games, all this EU that I've come to enjoy more than lucas' new films have developed stories about war that highlight and study its effects rather than push it to the background in favor of, I don't know what to call it... lightsaber orgy, perhaps... that happens after all the war's over. I'd have just approached things differently. But that's all over with now isn't it...
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#259210
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Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
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Damn, I wish there was a way to inhibit certain users from posting in your own threads... but oh well, I guess I have to be some kind of adult and just deal with it... arrrghh...

Interesting points co, though they're somewhat off topic. I don't care, I like variety.

Now though I've blocked most of it from memory, I see the new trilogy as an unfocused mess that unlike the originals which focused mainly on Luke's journey and of course has many sub plots which culminate in the redemption of darth vader, would have been better focusing on its most interesting aspect, the Clone War and its impact on the characters. As it is now, the clone war just seems like some unimportant little offscreen thing that happened. What the fuck? Ever since we heard of it back in ANH, all of us must have dreamed of what it was all about... but now the mystery is gone. It's revealed to have been a pointless excuse to show off lots of cgi stuff. Wow, just imagine if the clone wars took place over all three instead of being left to those cartoons to flesh out. I never understood that... why not make the war a central part of the films instead of a bit of a scuffle at the end of one movie and another minor scuffle at the start of the next... There's just so much potential wasted doing it that way. It's like a big tease.

The thing is called STAR WARS . So go nuts!





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#258749
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Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
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Originally posted by: Obi Jeewhyen
Um, Empire has some of the best ... and worst ... dialogue in the series. Yoda's lines may have been better, but Leia and 3PO in particular suffered from really crappy dialogue compared to the lines they were given to speak in Star Wars.


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:/ Yeah Star Wars had some great lines. "I find your lack of faith disturbing." That with JEJ's voice behind it is on its own level. After these last six years I'm truly just happy that I can watch esb and not hear "Mesa don't like sand, it'sa very rough and gets in mesa crotch..."

The worst line from empire i can think of was... luke's scream in the special edition. Absolutely horrid. It moreso depends on the performer too I guess because I don't pay much attention to the writing unless it's really terrible. There's a part where a bad actor gets to speak and he sounds as dead as a Hayden Christensen. It always makes me cringe.

My fav character was Lando simply because of how smooth he was. I guess he and yod added something to the genuine feeling of history the characters had in the star wars universe, before we actually saw that history anyway. Even if he really said all this stuff, he'd still be cool to me Landoooooo . Both have a history with one of the characters from the first movie... so I guess that's an interesting parallel: Luke going to meet an old jedi master, Han going to meet an old friend, both being hunted by the empire...

I'm surprised there wasn't a young lando in one of the new movies. He's such an important character... way moreso than boba.
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#258747
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Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I will admit that Empire is the movie where 3PO became extremely whiny and high-pitched, although not nearly as high-pitched as he would be in the prequels.



I read about this sometimes and he is. I don't know why but they also really punished the droid for his crimes too; he really got bashed and abused in ESB... I felt rather sad back when I first saw ESB when Threepio was "dead." It just wasn't the same star wars feel without him being a pain in R2's ass...

Considering he was really a pile of junk throughout most of the movie, I could understand why he'd complain a lot at that point. Before that, he's just kinda annoying to r2 and han with his pessimistic attitude and understandbly Han shuts him up and is constantly berating threepio. He probably wishes he could chuck him out into space.

Now that I think of it, I can't remember why he was even in the new movies... he didn't do anything really except be the only robot to get its memory erased by Jimmy Smits. Weird.

Oh and here's a little rant: Threepio is battered and abused in all of the OT, but that jar jar character who really deserves to be blasted to pieces got away with only a few kicks to the scrodum. I think that is just unfair though granted getting hit in the scrodum hurts for us human males, we don't know how it really affects the gungans. And I can't believe I'm thinking about gungan scrodums...


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#258540
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Will you buy the OOT again ?
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Originally posted by: CO
Anamorphic and fully restored = Yes

The one good thing anymore is that there is no grey area to a SW release in the future, either it is done right or not. Lucas was able to get away with the 2006 release cause many fans wanted the OOT in any quality on DVD, just as Lucas was able to get away with the SE only in 2004 cause many fans just wanted the OT on DVD.

I will gladly buy the OOT fully restored, and then walk away from SW forever and let the future SW fans debate about midiclorians and jar jar and why Anakin turned.


LOL, amen.
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#258387
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Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
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Yeah, I remember watching "yoda" say something to the emperor. He said "Not if anything about it to say I have..." Or something like that. It was so butchered I try to block it from memory. That's not how yoda talks.

To me he never just spoke in badly constructed sentences. He just had his own manner of speaking the language, or style for whatever reason. It was taken to an extreme in the new trilogy.

I think though tpm raped yoda visually, it's the only one to really maintain his original essence to some degree. Or maybe it's just because he wasn't hopping around like a cartoon character on crack. OH well.

And yes, that's prettymuch how I feel too about how sometimes the OT'd just leave certain things to our imagination. That's what star wars is about to me back then. When I was at school doing some boring work and i thought about star wars, it wasn't about the fx, I could care less about how many flips and twirls a jedi did in a lightsaber battle, it was about the force and why yoda and vader claim it's so powerful. What could luke, or even I, do with this power? That sort of thing.


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#258334
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Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
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"Yoda: Ready are you? What know you of ready? For eight hundred years have I trained Jedi. My own counsel will I keep on who is to be trained! A Jedi must have the deepest commitment, the most serious mind. This one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away... to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. Hmm? What he was doing. Hmph! Adventure. Heh! Excitement. Heh! A Jedi craves not these things. You are reckless!"

Oh god I miss it so much. I think this is probobaly not only the greatest line of the series but the best acted by Yoda. I miss the old yoda before george made him a joke... Just read this line from ESB. omg, it's epic. This is probably the one line that put star wars on a level in my mind that no film could dream of touching... Wow, do I wish GL let someone else write his new movies...

I just wanted to share this moment of reflection I had today. That is all.
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#256706
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What versions of the SW saga do you own (OT, PT, preservations, etc)?
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I threw the PT in the garbage since standards for film won't allow me to own them anymore. All my hopes that somehow all this torture for hours with jar jar and shoddy acting and writing would be worth it were destroyed after seeing Sith (particularly Yoda talking to chewie). I'll consider buying future versions if GL uses CGI to make them actually good stories, but I doubt it.

I own the vhs special edition trilogy of the OT, but it's all broken and worn out now.

Other than that, nothing except what I've downloaded.

I've got:

OCP's classic edition version 1 of ANH
OCP's classic edition of ESB
Darth Editous special edition of ANH (Just brilliant. I loved coming here and reading what editious was doing. And love that a fan can do better than highly paid Lucas employees. It proves that we care more than some billionare.)

I won't support Lucas with my wallet any more until he provides some quality that matches my standard for star wars films.
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#256348
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Best battle
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Hmmm I'm tempted to say the RotJ battle since it's so full of drama but...Technically and sentimentally the best to me is the original star wars one. The editing, the pacing, the fx, porkins, the acting, it's all bliss for me. Even though I know how it ends, it still works. It's lyrical in a way.
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#256191
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morals
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Tv, I watched A LOT of Mister Rogers Neighborhood and I loved it. I was amazed as a kid by the power of imagination and story telling so this show worked for me. They were just puppets but they had such well defined characters and gosh I loved how he had the first flat screen tv. That was cool... They just don't make tv shows like Mister Rogers anymore. Most tv is about tragically scarred people and gives a depressing outlook on everything... but not Rogers. His show was about enjoying life, having fun, and happiness, kindness, friendship, and even peace as well.... Wow do we need some of that nowadays. I watched some blues clues once and it was too silly and stupid.

yeah, well I learned much about morals from that man. RIP Fred Rogers.

Other than that, I'd say life. It's tougher than I expected... or anticapated. Much tougher. I trust I'll figure it out if I live long enough.