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#283005
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Star Wars Fans Are Cool Regardless Of Age...
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Originally posted by: Nobody
Heh, true enough. At least if you're that young. ...Technically, Keira Knightely "comes" from Bend it Like Beckham, and Natalie Portman from The Professional. Actually, I like Natalie mostly because of Mars Attacks! - is that wrong of me?

I'm not sure. I'm thinking of their careers in terms of mainstream popularity and star status. Neither of them were big hollywood names until after their prequel days, so that's what I'm referring to.
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#282812
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Anyone else totally disregard Leia being Luke's sister?
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Originally posted by: Guy Caballero
It's harder to accept Luke and Leia as siblings if you spent 6 years wondering if he'll get to fuck her. I don't think anybody's disregarding a story point because it came after the fact, it's just personal taste about how it was handled. This isn't holy text, sequels are ignored all the time. When I watch Jaws, I don't think Scheider's son grows up, works at Sea World, and gets attacked by another shark. In 3-D.


Absolutely, it's very possible to just simply ignore the next chapters... I personally don't since it's plausible, people do discover years later that they are related by blood in the real life, sucks for them if they actually have done the deed with each other.... hmmm.... though the comparison doesn't work very well since ESB and Rotj contain all the same cast so it is harder to disassociate them from each other than that piece of shit, jaws 3d and the original jaws.

That's what's keeping the PT latched to the OT's leg in the minds of many. Because it was made by lucas, uses william's talents, and contains some of the OT's actors it becomes very difficult to simply ignore it. But I can ignore the holiday special, so it's definitely not impossible.

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#282810
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What kind of Star Wars fan are you?
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It's like a buffet now, so much to choose.

Well I like the original trilogy, that's why I'm here. I like the story of Luke Skywalker, he's my hero. I also like parts of Revenge of the sith that seem almost as competent as the original trilogy. That would be the opera scene, and everything coming from Ewan Mcgregor. The rest is garbage.

When i say original, I mean more of a combination of the best stuff from both the originals and special editions. I don't blindly hate everything done in the special editions. The parts that actually enhance the experience and don't tarnish it like that greedo shooting first fiasco are what i like. More specifically, I like only the cosmetic enhancements that don't affect the story.

I like the boob job trilogy with a slice of revenge of the sith on the side; I guess I could say that.



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#282809
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Anyone else totally disregard Leia being Luke's sister?
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Well, I think the nature of prequels makes it so that it's harder to accept changes than with sequels. With sequels, you get a feel of expansion, that the things you see in the sequel are added on to the nature of the first movie. So you still have Star Wars the way it always was, but Empire was the next Lego block to be stacked onto it, and the same with Jedi. But with prequels, it's harder for both the creator and the audience to get on board. As zombie's book points out, it's much easier to simply state that this is what happened then actually showing it in detail. I mean, for a generation, fans of the trilogy were pretty much on board with the fact that Obi-Wan trained Luke's father, who became evil and became Darth Vader. Talking about it in the original trilogy made sense. So why, when the facts were established and the audience had already accepted those facts, did it become so hard to make movies expanding upon that? Because it's easier to vaguely explain than actually show. Add to that the fact that all those allusions back to the OT (which make it quite obvious to me that the intended audience for the PT is already established viewers of the OT, not the other way around) are pretty contrived and ridiculous... but are they more so contrived than what the sequels added to the first Star Wars? Or can we just accept the sequel changes easier because they are sequels and not prequels, and due to our own acceptance of storytelling, we can still view the first movie in its original context while we have a harder time doing that with stories set chronologically previously?

As for me, I'm relatively young. I was not there for any of the original screenings. My history of Star Wars begins in 1995, the first time I saw (and owned) the movies on videocassette, the infamous "One last time..." Faces set. And so my history of Star Wars comes from what Lucas said in those Leonard Maltin interviews that accompany the movies. You know, the one where he claimed that the entire trilogy was really originally one movie that he had to cut into three parts because of running time and cost. I now know that that is complete bull (a mindset totally solidified by zombie's great book), but being a nine-year-old boy at the time who hadn't been there at the beginning (or even at the end) and who had no reason to believe the creator of the movies was lying, that was my accepted history of Star Wars for many years. In short, I held the trilogy mindset. That was my fandom. A few years later, I saw the prequels and enjoyed them but never even tried to integrate them into what I considered to be the main story. I cringed at all the horrible retcons, like Anakin building 3PO. So I stayed pretty consistent with my fandom. And later I would learn more of the truth of Star Wars. And now I feel adequately knowledged in real Star Wars lore. And I can honestly say I'm not one of those who lets nostalgia get in the way. As soon as I found out that "Episode IV A New Hope" was not originally in Star Wars, I immediately dismissed that subtitle, even though it was what I had grown up with for years, completely unaware of anything different, and I didn't look back. In fact, seeing releases with that subtitle in there (anything but the GOUT, I guess), it makes me cringe just a little bit because I know it's not supposed to be there, and that's not what audiences in May of 1977 saw. But on the other end of the spectrum, I can even get myself to see the whole "Saga" perspective. Is it my preferred perspective? No. Is that how I would choose to introduce anybody to Star Wars? Certainly not. In fact, I discourage people from seeing the prequels first. But it's an interesting perspective that I can choose to see once in a while, despite its flaws. And I can see Star Wars as a trilogy, like the way I grew up, which follows Luke from a young farmboy to becoming a Jedi and redeeming his father. And, especially now that I know the truth, I can see Star Wars as a single movie, about a farmboy named Luke who saves a princess, uncovers a mysterious power, and defends the galaxy against evil, becoming a hero. Luke CO, I don't view it with all the things the sequels and prequels add to it. I view it on its own, coming at it as completely new. And then I choose to see the other two movies that came after it, to see what they add to the original story, taking it one movie at a time and realizing what was made up later, and that it's simply a new movie. I don't pretend to be Anchorhead or anyone else who was actually there. I wasn't. I don't have that experience. But I do have the knowledge of what was what and try to relive that in my own little world, as if I was there.

So to actually weigh in on the original question, no, I don't disregard it. I accept it. I think it's rather lame, but I accept it when I watch Return of the Jedi. When I view the movies as a trilogy, I apply that bit of information to prior events to see how it fits in. A lot of times, it doesn't necessarily. It doesn't blatantly contradict, like a lot of the things in the prequels, but it doesn't necessarily flow. Leia kissing Luke in the first two movies doesn't contradict the possibility that they're related, it would just be classified as a shoddy bit of storytelling, especially if you're causing people to labor under the impression you'd had all this planned out from the beginning. And then, when I watch the movies taking one at a time, I only apply Leia being Luke's sister when it's introduced to me and do my best to flow with it from there.


thank you. That's the key difference. It's a continuation, not a retconning of the original that completely contradicts it like several of the pt changes that have invaded the original trilogy mucking up the whole saga. People who saw star wars have the choice of just not caring for the sequels. People who see the special editions and pt and are ignorant to how star wars was originally concieved have no choice unfortunately.

For example, i think terminator 3 was an alternate universe story and I'm sticking to that.

edit: seriously. the way some are so abhorrant towards the family revelations in esb and rotj, it's as if this was done to anh (preview of next special edition) Greedo Shoots first, and second, and third and...
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#282715
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Anyone else totally disregard Leia being Luke's sister?
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Everyone knows lucas makes it up as he goes along... why is this such a shock now? Well yes, if there is another star wars trilogy and they chewie lando's cousin or some such thing I'll accept it if it works to create meaningful drama that isn't just done for the sake of connecting two characters... I'd be fine with it. In that case the ends would justify the means for me.

And I'm getting a little upset with how it's being assumed that since I wasn't born when star wars was released, I can't ever truly understand the idea of revisionism. I wasn't around when back to the future hit threaters either but I know the sequels were never meant to exist until bttf 1 became a hit.
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#282662
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Anyone else totally disregard Leia being Luke's sister?
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Dude it's not my fault I wasn't born before 77. I wish I was.


And "luke I am your father" and "Leia's my sister" work for me because they don't blatantly contradict anything I saw or heard in Star Wars A new Hope... not because I'm pulling this illogically out of my ass. I'm thinking of how it fits in the story, and that's it regardless of what may have been the true intentions of the filmmakers. A lot of films have no set story in place before they're filmed. This happens all the time, so I'm not surprised in the least that that may have happened here too.

and i don't understand how you say you weren't discussing them in terms of the story when you typed these words "It's not only cheap - it serves absolutely no purpose in the story. "
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#282581
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Anyone else totally disregard Leia being Luke's sister?
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oooh the basher sanctuary, a rare sight on the internet. It was great, actual intelligent discussion was happening, not rambling 5 year old level bull shit you usually see on tfn.

Star Wars is a Classic. Not just as a film, but as a cultural phenomenon.

And I wouldn't lose that optimism... maybe I'm being stupid but i don't care, so be it. I blindly believe people will naturally gravitate towards better quality. Now I believe there's lasting hype atomosphere still lingering after the pt finished which fuels some's devotion to them, but those doing that will soon grow pubic hair. This has all been said before in a way, actually (I've read some old film books in the library. There were people back in the day worrying about the quality of cinema being hurt by Jaws, which of course became the first blockbuster making way for star wars' success.) The 80s generation definitely was one to praise and eat up ANYTHING, no matter how shitty it was. And I doubt that'll change. We think we're so different from the older gen, but I don't think we are. We're just as dumb as them, and just as smart. We'll bounce back from dancing to the macarena and realize what quality entertainment really is... I hope.

A movie i love to watch to remind myself of the POWER of a great film, is Shawshank Redemption. It's as easy as being a film that I'd want to watch again and again and not feel the need to move on from. Shawshank's prettymuch perfect in my mind, that's how good it is. I'd definitely show these kids that movie unless they're the add sort.
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#282572
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Don Imus and the race issue thread.
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Originally posted by: ferris209
Originally posted by: lordjedi
Well how about all the people saying that what he said makes their accomplishments meaningless. How's that? How does what he said do anything to their accomplishments? I didn't even know who Imus was until he made those comments. Even the day he made them, I saw headlines on Google News referencing Imus and I completely ignored them. It wasn't until the next day watching Fox News that I even began to find out who he was or what he'd said. And again, how does it hurt their accomplishments? And if it does hurt their accomplishments, how does firing him repair that? All firing him did was let CBS and MSNBC distance themselves from him.

So unless they're losing a scholarship or their grades suddenly tumble from some kind of emotional stress, I fail to see how his comments did anything to hurt them. Since the girls themselves have said how stupid the comments were knowing what they've accomplished, I don't think its had any effect on them whatsoever.


It was the fact that Sharpten, Jesse Jackson, and the media made a big deal out if it that I feel it tainted their accomplishment. I am so sick of Sharpten and Jackson trying so hard to make an issue out of nothing in order to keep their picture on the news. Them two have set race relations back 20 years every time they get on the news and spout their white hatred filled propaganda. It is ashame these guys invoke the great name of Martin Luther King, whom I firmly believe wanted equality and not superiority, I am sure Mr. King would be greatly saddened at how bastardized his sermons have become in the hands of these glory seeking morons. I don't like Imus, but he did not say anything in a demeaning or ridiculing manner, he made a stupid and bad joke, he is a moron. However, he does have the right to be stupid. I am sure if Snoop Dog was on his radio show and commented that the Tennessee teams was full of "White trash bitches" not one thing would have been said. It is truly amazing that in just over 125 years, we have come from the immoral practice of slavery and treating humans as property to total equality, and some are still not happy. Disregarding a few, I firmly believe white against black racism is virtually dead. In this 2007 a black person can deservedly go to college, become a C.E.O., be the most powerful and richest TV personality to date, and achieve a legendary status in a particular sport why should they worry about a bad joke a washed up old radio jock states. It is completely ridiculous and menial.


Exactly. Imus is a dumbass for his comment but I too sense an overreaction coming from the people you mention.

It's because he's in a powerful position. If it was some security guard down the block or YES, a typical gangsta rapper saying something similar or the same, they'd be laughed at and people would go back to their daily lives.

I'm almost inclined to believe Imus was being completely facetious (maybe he meant it, but then again maybe rappers mean all their lyrics), but when the sharks smelt blood, they went after him.

And college girls are curly headed hos.
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#282416
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Star Wars Fans Are Cool Regardless Of Age...
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No. the older generation's job is to educate the next generation. We can't let lucas tamper with history to such an extent that years from now, nobody will know han shot that bitch, greedo, like a badass and didn't sit there waiting for a laser bolt to fly past his ear.

It's odd as hell though when you think about it. Older members here remember the original film, love it, want to see it restored the way it DESERVES to be... and me? I was 12 years old when tpm came out in theaters. 12! I'll always remember what the theatrical version of tpm was like after lucas is done screwing around with it in a special edition... hmmm and I won't bother to try to preserve it that's for sure. He can screw with the prequels... leave the originals alone though.
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#282409
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Anyone else totally disregard Leia being Luke's sister?
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Originally posted by: CO
Zombie, I still will say that alot of OT fans went with the changes from 77-83, cause all of my friends saw SW in '77, and we all knew by '83 that Luke/Leia/Vader family affair was changed, but the movies were so good, you kinda went with the story. And I think that is what alot of people miss, if the quality is good, I am willing to change my views towards the movies.

I loved ESB, but the Vader/Luke angle came out of nowhere, and the series seemed to get away from the macro aspect of ANH, to a more personal story in ESB with Luke/Vader, and that finally all came to head in 1983. I will be honest, I am one of the few who don't love Vader/Luke revelation, as I think it created just as many fans as it turned off, but ESB is damn good of a movie, I accepted the story. For me personaly, ESB is the only sequel besides Godfather II that is just as good as the original, and that to me is a real achievement to have movie magic in 2 movies from the same series.

I think SW will always live on with kids as we get older, cause I see my nephews and their friends enjoy the movies now, but the difference is when they get older they are going to discover the quality issues we discovered too. It is very easy for a kid to fall in love with a lightsaber or the millenium falcon, hell I did it back in 1977, but it is another thing for those same fans to still love those movies 10-15 years later, and that is where the PT/Saga fans will become a true niche fanbase, once the PT generation grows up.

I always use ROTJ as my analogy to the PT kids who love the movies now. I loved ROTJ as a kid in 1983, I thought it was better then ESB, but once I hit highschool and plopped in the trilogy on VHS around 1990-91, all of the sudden as an adult you understand what are the better movies, and ROTJ was just OK only cause it was SW. Now think of the PT, and times that by 3 movies, do you think kids in their 20's aren't going to notice Jake Lloyd & Jar Jar in TPM? The AOTC romance with Padme/Anakin? The ridiculous events that eventually lead to Anakin turning in ROTS? This is all stuff they will notice as they get older, just as I noticed as I got older that the Ewoks are kiddy, Jabbas Palace goes on too long, and the kiddification of SW actually began in 1983.

Trust me guys, quality always rules out in the end.


One can hope. I like to view movies through a kid's unbiased, completely ignorant eyes. In fact, funny thing is that I was a kid when tpm was released. I loved the duel of the fates, but everything else in my mind "didn't live up to the great trailer." It wasn't a question about whether it stacked up to the originals. We were all hoping and praying whatever mistakes lucas made in tpm were because "he was rusty" and he'd tie things up nicely by the time he was done. Of course we learned that he was planning to put Nsync in the movies instead...

So well, Yes I'm with you. Quality's going to be the winner over time. Now is Nothing. Now is just a after-taste period. As a net-nerd for several years, I know that hype is a POWERFUL thing, this stuff can completely blind people to a films flaws until the novelty of the film wears off and they see all the wrongs when they come back to their senses. So the real test will be years from now, will those kids really still be madly in love with jar jar or whatever. Will they see Lotr and fall for golum instead?

time will tell.
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#282396
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Anyone else totally disregard Leia being Luke's sister?
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Originally posted by: Anchorhead
Originally posted by: MJR80
... it does seem like Lucas was making things up as he went along... He may have felt a burden to conjure another "plot twist" or "surprise"


He was. It's been confirmed several times over. He didn't have a story beyond Star Wars. Vader-as-father, Leia-as-sister - none of that was there in his "original vision" and the weakness of story, by inventing them later, is obvious. As I've said before, he took an outer space adventure that was on a grand scale - and reduced it to The Wizard Of Oz. Their being related feels out of place and added on - because it was.

He didn't even know what to do with it after he added it. It's not only cheap - it serves absolutely no purpose in the story. It's a useless, weak story arc that goes nowhere. It's embarrasing enough that he made up stuff up on the fly - turns out he's not even good at it.


In answer to the question - Star Wars for me consists of a single film. An outer space adventure in a galaxy far away - and none of the characters are related to each other. They weren't when I was a kid - they aren't now. It's not even a consideration when I watch Star Wars. I can't pretend or imagine they are because I know they aren't. I know they weren't when the story was first written and I know it was thought up later.

Revisionist history only works on people who weren't there during the actual history.


Nah, it works in Return of the Jedi.

1. Leia revealing her connection to luke with han, settles han's feelings about leia's strong feelings for luke.

2. Giving Luke the truth about his sister leads to vader discovering this information during the final duel. Without the emotional thrust of us having known leia throughout two movies, vader's threat of turning her to the dark side wouldn't have held as much weight, I think. So we wouldn't know fully why that thought sends luke into a frenzy. But Leia being a likable, though fiesty little woman, gives us a clearer understanding of luke's feelings.

I think I might be in the minority but I loved it. Yoda's final words before death are "there is another skywalker... cough cough" and luke's left to be wondering "WTF?" And then Obi-wan's ghost clues him in nicely. Which of course leads to the pay-off of the set-up, which is Vader discovering the truth himself by probing luke's mind... it seems to work fine for all dramatic purposes here, really. If it were just a throw away detail that didn't matter at all to the story like anakin building threepio, then I'd understand all the fuss over it.
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#282392
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Anyone else totally disregard Leia being Luke's sister?
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I find it easy to believe luke and leia are brother and sister since it fits so well with the story in rotj. What confuses me now, taking a look at everything as it is at this point (we all know lucas could change it tomorrow because he's never finished) is why obiwan thought luke was the last hope when according to lucas bullshit storyline in the prequels, obiwan knows of both children.
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#281263
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My first step into a larger world.... Splinter Of The Mind's Eye
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Shadows of the empire was my first ever EU read. Good stuff. I'd love to see it made into a cartoon or whatever. That's why I'm even looking forward to the star wars tv series, despite lucas writing it. EU's can and have lead to interesting new stories set in the infinitely imaginative star wars universe. EU's responsible for the creation of Boba fett too, from what I've read on the official site.

And I have to say CO's hit it on the head. What's great also about the EU is that it's all up to you. You can choose to believe it's in continuity or not. heh, and I choose to view the PT that way whether lucas says different.

Actually! I view many of the SE changes that way...

HOLY CRAP, ALL OF STARWARS IS EU NOW!
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#281114
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Worlds with Double Sunsets Common
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Wow.

This fascinating. One poignant moment in Star Wars could predict something closer to reality, especially a current discovery like this. Aah, it just makes the original star wars that much more special than any other film out there.

Here's the link to the story in Nasa's official site:



Fascinating.Linky Link Link

Youtube vid of the nasa story:

Click Me
And here's Luke contemplating his destiny:

F'N classic scene after the click best I could find.
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#280834
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'Serenity' dethrones 'Star Wars' as UK's favourite sci-fi film
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Like I've said in many other threads, viewing Serenity really benefits from having seen Firefly, in my opinion. Because it hooked me from the word go, and I was genuinely interested in the characters, the story, and the world, but that might have been because I was already attached to them. Then again, though, most of my friends saw Serenity first, loved it, and it inspired them to go back and watch Firefly. I guess it all depends on the individual.


Ugh, I'm a sci-fi nut and I'm just not into Serenity. I don't know what it is exactly I'm missing that millions of others online seem to not miss. Maybe you're right.

That villain just reminded me of Morphius and the captain guy seemed like he was trying too hard to be like han solo. I got to stick with my battle star galactica I guess.
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#278133
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STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>720p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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Ady, after seeing the new explosion, an idea popped into my head (that's two head poppers now) I have to tell you. What if you showed the death star beam striking the planet, but for a few seconds the planet remains in tact... then you show a reaction from leia of the planet not destroyed. Perhaps if you have a shot of her looking unnerved and confident, that could be the one used... after which it does explode, and she expresses her terror. It'd add a little suspense to the moment...
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#278007
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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Originally posted by: Trooperman
Originally posted by: klokwerk
I'm not at my PC at the moment so I'm sure someone else will beat me to sending you the fonts.


Actually, nobody beat you to the fonts! If you could do that for me if you get the chance, I'd really appreciate it.

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On a side note, I was just looking at the "Reborn" thread and getting very worried. Steve received the following letter from Lucasfilm:



From: Lucasfilm Ltd.

To: Steve

Re: Unauthorized Use of STAR WARS Copyrights and Trademarks on website:

http://www.myspace.com/starwarsreborn

Gentlemen:

Lucasfilm Ltd. and its affiliated and related entities (collectively "Lucasfilm") are the exclusive owners of all rights in and to the Star Wars films, Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope, Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back, Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi, Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace, Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones and Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith. Those motion pictures and the characters and unique elements which appear therein (the "STAR WARS Copyrights and Trademarks") are protected by the copyright and trademark laws of the United States and other nations.

We note that STAR WARS Copyrights and Trademarks are being posted and distributed on the above website without Lucasfilm's authorization ("Unauthorized Items"). This unauthorized use of STAR WARS Copyrights and Trademarks constitutes copyright infringement, trademark infringement and unfair competition. By this letter, we request that you immediately suspend and/or disable the account of the above website and/or that you immediately remove the Unauthorized Items from the above website.

We further request written assurance that you will comply with this demand. Lucasfilm is the exclusive owner of all relevant rights in and to the Star Wars Films. Pursuant to the DMCA, we have a good faith belief that any items falling into the categories identified above infringe Lucasfilm's copyrights and other intellectual property rights, and are not authorized by Lucasfilm or its agents. I am authorized to act on Lucasfilm's behalf regarding these matters. The information provided in this communication is accurate to the best of my knowledge and is provided under penalty of perjury.

Thank you for your cooperation. Nothing in this letter shall be construed as a waiver or relinquishment of any right or remedy possessed by Lucasfilm or any other affected party, all of which are expressly reserved.

Sincerely,

Lucasfilm Ltd., (Antipiracy)

Business Affairs




As Steve said, although the focus is on the copyrighted images, it is more of a warning that Lucasfilm has its eye on this type of thing. I am a bit paranoid and I don't want to get into any trouble with Lucasfilm; I can't afford it.

Don't worry! I'm not saying that this is a dead project. All I'm saying is that I am certainly not going to do a massive sending operation from my home. A Lucasfilm employee gets on, asks for a copy, I send it to him, and I get myself into massive trouble.

Therefore, I would feel more comfortable if this release "slips out" into the community. I will send it to as few people as possible (a very trusted group), and they will take steps to ensure that everyone sees this through PIF and torrents. But after this is done, I'm going to do everything I can to distance myself personally from it to avoid any kind of trouble, because I've not only used Star Wars footage, I've used music from other soundtracks and a couple short clips from other films, and I'm not sure of the legality of that. I really don't want to get in trouble over this.

Over and out,

-TM


I just read this...

No worries, Trooperman. I'm sure some at Lucasfilm are eager to get their hands on this too... Whatever the case ends up being, you can be assured knowing you're not alone in that many others have made these fan edits already and to my knowledge nothing serious has happened to them or lucasfilm. The real crime in my mind happened when Lucas wrote his awful script and captured poor performances on film.
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#277265
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What were your original expectations for the PT?
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The drama preceeding each prequel film is worthy of its own film in my opinion. We were and probably still are insane, Yes, i think we can lay claim to being the most insane fans in the entire history of anything.

For me, I just innocently began using the internet to go to starwars.com back in 1998, and later got more into it for TPM news. I was a youngster, new to star wars, but in love with it just as much as any oldbie, I'm sure. The clone wars cartoon and the story elements in the battlefront game for ps2 are EXACTLY all I really expected or wanted from the PT. Instead I got Jar jar, Yipee, a ridiculously boring story, and empty pockets after spending all my money on new star wars junk.

Online, let me tell you... it was hell. Those with brains in their heads condemned lucas for creating jar jar, but that was just the beginning. Everybody split into two camps, basher and gusher. No room for middle ground. It was war. I'm glad it's over now for the most part because discussing star wars online was becoming retarded. Nobody listened, just insulted each other until everyone was just pissed, not really enjoying anything.