Wazzles

FarStarbuck said:

Just to clarify Althor you are correct the 97 SE were cropped from the original 2:35:1 ratio as evident on the SE LD trilogy. Especially Star Wars. It was a tighter crop more likely to be 2:20. Watching these reels really shows the potential and what could be. Agree that once complete this will blow away the Blu ray.

I think the cropping was a mastering error exclusive to the Laserdiscs, nut the intended theatrical ratio.

WOW those are obvious.

LuckyGungan2001 said:

Possessed said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

Slavicuss said:

SilverWook said:

Jake had done some conventions before his current mental health problems caught up with him.

They wear thongs out in the desert? All that Tatooine sand trapped between the toes and under the nails…

Thongs with jeans look so bad.

Are thongs and sandals the same thing? I’m totally lost here.

Oh right, in America you call those skimpy underwear bottoms thongs. Weirdos. I think that what we normal people call thongs you call “flip-flops.”

Probably because the underwear looks like sandals for your butt.

Bubba J said:

I’m glad EA is receiving this amount of ridicule although these problems extend beyond EA in scope. Microtransactions, lootboxes are a cancer to video games.

I don’t have a problem with loot boxes that are randomly dropped, are free to open, and contain only cosmetic items (i.e., Overwatch).

I don’t know how I’m just now noticing all these things, but it looks like there are still some artifacts of optical compositing (or shitty rotoscoping) left in the SE:

JEDIT 2: Fixed it.

poita said:

Annoyingly, a hair got into the gate of the scanner on Reel3, and I have to rescan the entire reel.

Part of the downside of working remotely.

sigh

Anyway, here is a 720P sample, complete with dancing hair, nothing done other than a very quick levels setting, thought people might want to see it in motion.

https://we.tl/zp0MntsHeh

Note the Technicolor-style cue-dots/reel markers at the end. It’s about 200MB in size, I tried to make the file size small enough for anyone to get a look at it.

A higher bitrate and bit-depth version is uploading now for those who want something bigger.

EDIT: It’s up. 1.5GB. https://we.tl/SxaAFMqUAg

Man, that CG is so jarring. It’s way more so here than on the Blu Ray.

TheQuazz said:

I’m kind of shocked that some of you guys are more excited by the prospect of this allowing Star Wars/Superhero movie rights to be cleaned up rather than horrified at how this shows that it’s within Disney’s power to own more than half of the studios producing mainstream movies. Hopefully this won’t fall through.

It’s definitely a concern of mine, but the prospect of an official release of the OUT is clouding my judgement.

Looks dead? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-06/disney-looked-at-buying-most-of-fox-talks-now-dead-cnbc-says

rodneyfaile said:

Now can we get the Fox fanfare and the Lucasfilm logo on the next blu ray set?

That’s all you’re hoping for SW wise?

NeverarGreat said:

Wazzles said:

77-81: Star Wars
97: Star Wars Special Edition
04-11: big silly title ending in A New Hope

Rogue One Part 2 and Star Wars Episode 4: George Lucas’s Star Wars Special Edition Version 3: A New Hope

I’ll take it!

77-81: Star Wars
97: Star Wars Special Edition
04-11: big silly title ending in A New Hope

I think the swapped surrounds are exclusive the the 2004 5.1 mix.

RU.08 said:

I don’t think that’s what they did for the 2011 version, it looks to me like they re-scanned the camera negatives and recomposed the digital effects.

There’s an article in one of these threads where John Knoll mentions that they built the master from the film outs. He specifically mentioned the Blu Ray masters.

From what I’ve read (this I believe: https://theasc.com/magazine/starwars/articles/sped/uni/pg1.htm) is that it was too expensive to do the whole thing using a DI at that point, so only the shots that were digitally altered (including recomposites) were done at 2k then filmed out to be assembled into the negative. Everything else was a photochemical restoration.

Huh. I knew I wasn’t crazy. I always remembered the bearded men from when I would watch it as a kid, but it seemed to be excised from the version I saw On-Demand years later.

I added the Stone films that have specific references, Aladdin, and Night Watch. I’m not quite as concerned about regional censorship, especially since Pulp Fiction was released uncensored later. My main concern is revisionism.

I have some serious speculation for you guys.

Slavicuss said:

DRACULA (1979) drained of colour.

Can you elaborate?

ChainsawAsh said:

Should color timing differences be included? I feel like that would include every modern reissue of a catalog title at this point, and for most all we have to go on is old video masters anyway, with no way of knowing if those old masters were accurate either.

I feel like the list should only include content changes, not different color timing or other too-nebulous-to-properly-codify things.

I’m inclined to agree, but to a point it comes off as seriously revisionist. When it’s something like a slight CC (such as the amount of yellow in Raiders), I feel like that’s just a mastering thing. But when It’s a major point of contention, or a result of improper handling of a negative, that it should be addressed.

For the time being, unless I am convinced otherwise, I think I’ll leave off The Road Warrior but include Do the Right Thing.

ZigZig said:

SilverWook said:

IIRC, it’s the night scene outside the slave quarters where Qui Gon gets the blood sample from Anakin.

Right!
And IIRC, that explains why this particular shot has a totally different contrast level on BR than on theatrical 35mm: it was the only scene digitally re-rendered for the BluRay without going through a 35mm scan.

It’s more noticeable on the DVD. The majority of the DVD transfer if quite grainy, but this shot is exceptionally clean.

First post updated with the myriad of films JayArgonaut mentioned.

poita said:

I’ll be back on this once I get some scanning out of the way, my apologies everyone for the delays.

You don’t need to apologize to anyone for delays.

Slavicuss said:

There are differences between the 2003 DVD and 2010 Blu-ray versions of ALIEN: The Director’s Cut:

As the sun rises over LV-426, three helmet lights (representing the astronauts) have now been added, as they make their way round a large rock formation (for the 2010 Blu-ray).

The CGI mist that drifts past the derelict entrance as the three astronauts enter, is now missing from the 2010 Blu-ray.

Alternate take used for the insert shot of the Alien, just before Brett is attacked (for the 2010 Blu-ray).

Not sure about this last one, but the radio static (added for the 2003 DC) heard as Ripley uses the wall com to contact Parker or Lambert - after a confrontation with Ash - may or may not be missing from the 2010 Blu-ray?

I’ll add these but could I get some screenshots or something I can link to?

CE3K and T2 have, unfortunately, been added to the list.

Wayne’s World has been added to the list.