Wazzles

If you’re talking about the menus, no. The menus are different.

I think he used an auto translator.

litemakr said:

Wazzles said:

DrDre said:

Wazzles said:

DrDre said:

dvdmike said:

DrDre said:

litemakr said:

I can’t say I like the way that looks. Is is possible to go somewhere in between?

I don’t like it much either. I think I might recruit a few replacement shots from the bluray, where possible as an alternative.

So what is the point of regrading it in the first place?
We want it corrected don’t we?
Not just another version?

Well, you could argue, that an official release based on the original color timed interpositive would have lower contrast than an original release print. The latter example would be an approximation to such a release, and would have the correct color timing, but lower contrast. However, I’m not really happy with how it looks, so I will stick with the original plan of reproducing the colors of the print, and attempt to replace problematic shots with the regraded bluray shots.

Since you’re replacing some shots anyway, are you going to drop in the shots that are not altered for the Blu Ray?

That’s the plan…

Okay, I must have missed something then.

I believe the plane shot is the only one the blu had that the wowow doesn’t. Maybe the maps shots are different?

Yeah, the transparency on the red lines is different.

DrDre said:

Wazzles said:

DrDre said:

dvdmike said:

DrDre said:

litemakr said:

I can’t say I like the way that looks. Is is possible to go somewhere in between?

I don’t like it much either. I think I might recruit a few replacement shots from the bluray, where possible as an alternative.

So what is the point of regrading it in the first place?
We want it corrected don’t we?
Not just another version?

Well, you could argue, that an official release based on the original color timed interpositive would have lower contrast than an original release print. The latter example would be an approximation to such a release, and would have the correct color timing, but lower contrast. However, I’m not really happy with how it looks, so I will stick with the original plan of reproducing the colors of the print, and attempt to replace problematic shots with the regraded bluray shots.

Since you’re replacing some shots anyway, are you going to drop in the shots that are not altered for the Blu Ray?

That’s the plan…

Okay, I must have missed something then.

DrDre said:

dvdmike said:

DrDre said:

litemakr said:

I can’t say I like the way that looks. Is is possible to go somewhere in between?

I don’t like it much either. I think I might recruit a few replacement shots from the bluray, where possible as an alternative.

So what is the point of regrading it in the first place?
We want it corrected don’t we?
Not just another version?

Well, you could argue, that an official release based on the original color timed interpositive would have lower contrast than an original release print. The latter example would be an approximation to such a release, and would have the correct color timing, but lower contrast. However, I’m not really happy with how it looks, so I will stick with the original plan of reproducing the colors of the print, and attempt to replace problematic shots with the regraded bluray shots.

Since you’re replacing some shots anyway, are you going to drop in the shots that are not altered for the Blu Ray?

RU.08 said:

yotsuya said:

For the SE, they went back to the camera negatives, the raw footage, to recomposite most (but not all) of the shots. I’m not sure to what extent they did this with the composited effects shots (which were all done in VistaVision so the final composite would not have increased film grain over non-effects shots) or whether they kept the original composited elements.

They did this extensively, at least in the first film. The whole reason for the garbage mattes disappearing isn’t because they tweaked the black levels, it’s because they re-composited the foreground elements against the background elements. In all space shots you will notice the positions of the elements are slightly different. I’m under the impression that all re-composites it were done digitally rather than optically, but whatever they did they did it to every shot with compositing in SW as far as I can tell anyway.

There were some matte boxes in the 2004 DVD that were extremely noticeable that were removed for the BD. I don’t think they recomped for this.

Turisu said:
Conversely, the lamp that Indy and Marion are tied to in the opening of the ark sequence was digitally illuminated in the BD whereas it should be off. Not sure whether the WOWOW has the lamp on or off.

Can I see some screenshots of this?

Also, how’s the matching tool do for the bar scene?

I have added the bar scene from Raiders, since the LPP shows it was heavily re-colored for home video releases.

Joshua724 said:

2. No Laserdisc was made up to 1986 when my dad was laid off…period.

That’s not the case. There were several, in fact. (http://www.swonvideo.com/laserdisc/ldforside.htm)
I haven’t listened to the interview myself, so I’m assuming he work primarily with VHS? Basically, I don’t want to discredit anything he said.

Nice to see snake reflections again.

joefavs said:

Wazzles said:

joefavs said:

Team Blu is doing an HD upscale that I believe is sourced from several different laserdisc transfers. ANH is available on Myspleen now, the other two are supposedly coming soon. More info here: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-OT-and-1997-Special-Edition-Info/id/10550

Pretty sure it’s from a TV broadcast.

Really? The description on the spleen says the main sources are TB and GKAR. I’m not familiar with TB, but I was under the impression GKAR was a LD rip.

As far as I know, TB is from an SDTV broadcast master tape. If I’m not mistaken, it’s what Harmy used for portions of DeD.

joefavs said:

Team Blu is doing an HD upscale that I believe is sourced from several different laserdisc transfers. ANH is available on Myspleen now, the other two are supposedly coming soon. More info here: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-OT-and-1997-Special-Edition-Info/id/10550

Pretty sure it’s from a TV broadcast.

MathUser said:

I probably waited too long cause I don’t believe it has any special features besides commentary. I would have liked that and also the original versions. I bought those dvd’s years ago but I no longer have my collection from then. Anyway, looking forward to seeing the movies again. Now I don’t have to wait for someone to buy the tv rights for them in the US or for them to come on Netflix. I never seen the Blu-Ray versions of the movies. Looking forward to the terrible extra no’s in ROTJ.

The extras are pretty good actually. Of course it’s lacking all of the extras from previous DVD releases, but it makes for a good supplement to the DVDs.

MalàStrana said:

Rumors, speculations such as these are all we have. Nobody really knows. Lucas sold Lucasfilm, does it mean he also sold his rights of the movies ? Does anyone here (Density ?) has a reliable source about that ? You think Disney-Lucasfilm could make alterations to the PT/OT without his blessing ? Disney does not give a shit about Lucas but they have reused TCW story elements in Rebels (and they were praised for doing so), while using a TCW character in Rogue One… It’s not that simple. Again, a source is very much welcome. A IV-VII box set does not make sense if they use it to release the OOT. If the OOT was to be released, VII/Rogue One wouldn’t be in the set, except in a “full saga” set. We will see…

edit: I wonder if there could be a misunderstanding with the rumor: TFA is scheduled in its 3D version for christmas 2016 since its “single” release a few mothns ago. So it could be that we’ll get for christmas a OOT box set AND TFA-3D, and maybe a few box sets of both. Would be better (I have zero interest for TFA-3D).

Weird box sets are still possible. Remember the Episode I & II saga packs?

Hopefully he’ll return at some point to let us know the actual nature of the restoration.

Density said:

I should hope that’s not true, as it would not only add grain, it would also cause needless generation loss. It’s better to keep everything in the digital realm as much as possible for this kind of project. I for one would much rather see the film restored as clearly as possible than try to recreate precise amounts of grain when I can assure you Lucas never would have wanted any grain at all if he was capable of avoiding it at the time. Grain is something I consider merely an artifact, not an actual part of the original cut.

Grain is an inherent part of the film format. It should be there as it represents what the original film is.

poita said:

That is incorrect. It was not printed out to a new negative.

That’s new information to me. Is it purely digital?

I read previously that he degrained while he was doing the restoration, printed it out to a new negative, then scanned that as his master. That way it has natural grain, though not necessarily authentic levels of it.

brandynskywalker said:

TV’s Frink said:

dahmage said:

You have a PM, however you should know that not owning the source material is frowned upon.

Why would you send a PM helping out someone who is breaking the forum rules?

I wasn’t aware I was breaking any rules. I just thought you had to have at least one retail copy of your sources. I didn’t know you needed retail copies of ALL of your sources.

It depends on what it is. With something like Despecialized, Harmy says you should own the Blu Rays, since those are the primary source for those. Since you are using multiple versions, it’s best to own those individually.

brandynskywalker said:

dahmage said:

You have a PM, however you should know that not owning the source material is frowned upon.

I own the Complete Saga boxset, which I mentioned earlier. Thank you for the PM.

This includes the 2004 DVD, since you’re wanting a rip of that as well.

FekLeyrTarg said:

Alternately, you can mount the iso on a virtual drive (via Alcohol 52%) or burn it on an empty standard Blu-ray. Then you can view it on your PC with PowerDVD or watch it on your TV if you have a Blu-ray player. 😃

Or if you have Windows 10, you can do it natively.

canofhumdingers said:

Yeah but I’m pretty sure the live action was some other aspect ratio than 2.35:1 (16:9 probably?) hard-matted to the correct ratio. Thus the actual live action footage from AOTC and ROTS aren’t even full 1080p, much less true 2k

That is indeed the case. But we are again getting off topi in the thread.

Kindly emailing them would be fine as well. Let them know that there is a market for it.

Possessed said:

I didn’t think it was even full 2k?

The live action is 1080p, the CGI is 2k, and the DI is in 2k, presumably with upscaled live action.

SilverWook said:
Why pay more money for an upscale?

HDR.