Wazzles

TV’s Frink said:

ray_afraid said:

TV’s Frink said:

I thought it was a fun bit the first time he fired the bowcaster. We had never seen it before and it made sense in the context of the situation

Chewie uses it in ROTJ to take out a speeder bike. And I can’t believe Han never in 40 years asked to shoot it.

I meant that we never saw Han use it before TFA, so it was fun to see it for the first time in TFA.

And I can believe Han would go that long without using it, there was (presumably) never a reason for him to do so. Judging by the original trilogy, none of them ever got shot (except Leia and Luke once each in ROTJ).

In my opinion that was the weakest part of the film. It was just cheesy and out of place in the battle.

I sometimes watch the SE’s too. Except for Jedi, which I consider to be entirely unwatchable (both in the sense of changes and the horrid 2004 master).

I frequently whip out my Star Wars and Empire LD and give them a watch, and will occasionally watch the Empire BD. The Empire BD is the only one of the 3 that is remotely watchable, due to it having the least grandiose changes and the least shitty master. I don’t watch the 2004 versions ever. There is absolutely no reason to.

Alderaan said:

Wazzles said:
That also isn’t as nearly a high-profile a restoration that requires careful timing and consideration.

It was a very high profile restoration.

Timing in the sense of a release, rather than the time it takes to restore. My fair Lady isn’t a cult film that needs a sixth months of marketing and a specifically planned release, and it’s not part of an on-going series of movies. It’s more or less a catalog release.

Alderaan said:

moviefreakedmind said:

The 4K restoration indicates that they have scanned the original elements of the film.

There is nothing to indicate this. Absolutely nothing. The only thing that is public information and known for certain–via Gareth Edwards–is that Disney had a fresh 4K restoration print when he was hired. He did not say whether it was a restoration of the 1977 version or the Special Edition. It could be either one, but it is more than likely the latter. Even if they already did a restoration of the original theatrical releases, but they withhold them for internal use only, that alone would be sufficient cause to criticize them to no end.

The original negative are conformed to the SE, so even if it is the SE it can be called the “original elements”.

Robert Harris is quoted as saying the entire restoration of films like My Fair Lady took less than one year.

That also isn’t as nearly a high-profile a restoration that requires careful timing and consideration.

moviefreakedmind said:

Fang Zei said:

Tyrphanax said:

I assume there will be plenty of editing to be done to an official OOT restoration if we get one.

One nice aspect of Disney waiting until 2020/2021 is that it would give Lucasfilm time to do the most thorough restoration possible.

They can bring in the experts (Robert A. Harris, etc) instead of leaving everything at the mercy of someone who has no clue how these movies should look.

Mike Verta has already said the Reliance clips are nowhere near being accurate to the original look of the film. If their 4k “restoration” was only for George’s SE, then maybe that’s a good thing. It would allow the SE to be whatever George wants and the OOT to be properly restored.

We really have no idea what the Reliance restoration will look like on blu-ray whether it’s the OOT or the SE. We only have it in a compressed Vimeo file and don’t even know if it was a work in progress or not. I personally do not consider a blu ray with colors that look slightly different from an original film print to be “nowhere near being accurate to the original look of the film”.

Mike’s just a perfectionist. Most people would be happy if we got something as good as that.

^…^ said:

Wazzles said:
Fun fact I learned recently: the pink-shift from the 97 LD/VHS release was toned way back for the 2000 VHS/Japanese LD/Malaysian VCD release.

May I ask you some links that point to that? Because, if it’s true, one of these edition would be a great color reference to regrade the DVB upscales I’m working on!

I discovered this with my own copies after hearing about it somewhere online. If I remember when I get home, I can take some shitty pictures of my TV screen and make sure the white balance is equal.

Shouldn’t this be in the spoilers thread?

Mocata said:

I know this is an anniversary year but is it likely that we’ll get anything but another SE trilogy? It’s been too long to believe anyone really considers the historical value, could have done something for the 30th instead. A lot of rumours but not much of a reveal… I mean it’s been 2 years since that John Landis interview were he let it slip, and I am unclear on what print Gareth Edwards came across more recently.

If we don’t hear anything by the 25th of May, then I will give up hope. Until then, I actively believe that the OUT will get a release this year. Even if it doesn’t, there are always fan preservations.

emanswfan said:

Just a thought here, but like if a 4K Blu-ray release does really come out, isn’t it going to be impossible to use it as a basis for any further fanedits or preservations?

Best of my knowledge, there’s no way to RIP a 4K disc yet, or at least ripping an exact copy of it.

Nope, rips of UHD discs already exist. I have no idea what the method is though.

crissrudd4554 said:

The '97 SEs were released on VHS and LD in 1997. As far as I know those same masters were used for the 2000 VHS release.

Fun fact I learned recently: the pink-shift from the 97 LD/VHS release was toned way back for the 2000 VHS/Japanese LD/Malaysian VCD release.

JayArgonaut said:

CED was superior to VHS (which was never that difficult) but inferior to LD.

http://www.cedmagic.com/home/cedfaq.html#onetwelve

Only in terms of quality, since the discs could only be used so many times before they were useless.

Does anyone know where to find the Blu Ray-style cases in the US besides in bulk?

peter_pan said:

Wazzles said:

peter_pan said:

Harmy said:

Apparently, someone’s selling Despecialized on eBay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Wars-Original-Trilogy-Despecialized-Edition-Blu-Ray-Set-4-5-6-Empire-Jedi-/272553159154?&_trksid=p2056016.m2516.l5255

Everybody please report them for selling bootlegs, if you can. Thanks.

I have also seen your versions available to stream on a video addon for Kodi.

Is it free?

Yes, and the link I tried out of curiosity did not work at that time.

That’s a little less shady then, since they’re not attempting to profit from it.

peter_pan said:

Harmy said:

Apparently, someone’s selling Despecialized on eBay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Wars-Original-Trilogy-Despecialized-Edition-Blu-Ray-Set-4-5-6-Empire-Jedi-/272553159154?&_trksid=p2056016.m2516.l5255

Everybody please report them for selling bootlegs, if you can. Thanks.

I have also seen your versions available to stream on a video addon for Kodi.

Is it free?

I’m fine with prequel references as long as they don’t mention midi chlorians.

Disney has been big on releasing 3D Blu Rays despite their lack of popularity. Every new movie they release has 3 versions: DVD only, BD/DVD/digital, and 3D/BD/DVD/digital. It wouldn’t be a surprise if the released a 3D/BD combo pack of the PT, it they release it at all this year.

I doubt it, since 3D TVs are dead. If we do get a prequel release this year, that’s probably what it will be, though. That way, assuming the OUT is released, that will give people some sort of a gimmick to double dip on the prequels as well.

I think content-wise, the 2004 and 1997 are very similar. The only thing I can think of as different off the top of my head is the “He’s on your tail!” line before red leader is killed. Anyone care to add to this?

TV’s Frink said:

I don’t believe in canon. I just watch the movies I like and ignore the ones I don’t.

That’s essentially just saying your head canon is whatever you watch. It’s basically the same way I feel, since the official canon was messed up by the prequels and special editions anyway, it’s just easiest to watch the OT and not worry about the rest. TFA is also in my own personal head canon, and while I enjoy R1, I’m not super comfortable having it as a part of my personal canon. I can’t really articulate why, but it’s probably because Star Wars is just such a good jumping-off point that the information presented in R1 is entirely superfluous. It’s also tonally way more serious than the OT and TFA, so it doesn’t fit in as well.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

pittrek said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

My Empire Blu-Ray disc has Chewie on it.

Where are you from? I think the non-US discs where more exciting. Why they chose such a boring design for us Americans, and why it was even deemed necessary to be different, is beyond me.

But didn’t you have a book-type packaging? My EU version has picture discs, but a regular “boring” BD packaging

We did. The packaging for the compete saga’s original pressing was quite nice.

I’m very glad I bought the 2015 release instead. I have the Indiana Jones BD set and it is a huge pain in the ass to pull the discs out. Plus, the cover art it better.

moviefreakedmind said:

Wazzles said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

It won’t cost that much, because most people wouldn’t pay that much. Economics.

It’s not inconceivable, assuming that it’s comprehensive (multiple cuts, all old special features). Look at the 6 film Middle Earth set- the MSRP is $800, but they’re “discounting” it to $400 because literally no one would pay that much.

Why would anyone pay 400 dollars for that?

They wouldn’t. I’m just saying that studios do, at times, price these things absurdly high.

TV’s Frink said:

Do you remember it?

One of the earliest I remember was Flash Gordon in 1980. I was 6.

Sort of. I remember loving it because I was a dumb 6 year old.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

It won’t cost that much, because most people wouldn’t pay that much. Economics.

It’s not inconceivable, assuming that it’s comprehensive (multiple cuts, all old special features). Look at the 6 film Middle Earth set- the MSRP is $800, but they’re “discounting” it to $400 because literally no one would pay that much.

TV’s Frink said:

Well I feel old now.

It was the second movie I saw in theaters. I was 6.

moviefreakedmind said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

Wazzles said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

doubleofive said:

1. Most 4K discs can be found for $25-30, the same price DVD or Blu-ray was at first.
2. You’re telling me you wouldn’t pay $45 each for a 4k restoration of the OOT? I’d be first in line.

That boxed set with the extras retailed for, if memory serves, $250 in 1993. Figure that out with inflation. That was totally worth it back then.

About $415-420.

And, tbh, if they released the OT with all extras and documentaries, I’d pay it.

I wouldn’t. That’s an insane price for movies on a medium that trends around 10% of that price.

I think $250 for a comprehensive set would be my limit.