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If nothing else the physical strain on your eyes should be enough to consider.
oh good grief.
To say that video games have the same amount of physical exertion as chess means that you’ve never played video games.
have you have every played blitz chess? btw, I have played video games.
Regardless, video games, at least the ones that have a serious competitive community, are much more physical than chess.
Please explain how.
Same reason that I would consider shooting and archery to be a sport, physical accuracy is a skill that needs to be trained. I guarantee that you can’t pick up a shooting game and be as good as the people who play them professionally.
I agree I would not be as those that play video games professionally.
In an FPS, the physical aspect is part of the game;
I don’t understand how.
Honestly it’s pretty hard to explain without having you experience it yourself. I could send you to an online “aim trainer,” but even those are radically different from an actual in-game experience. Below are two timestamped links to a single video, the first link is an example of what bad aiming looks like, the second is an example of good aiming.
https://youtu.be/FPtASGDl2Rw?t=28s
Now, why didn’t that guy just shoot his two opponents in the head for an instant kill? Well, it’s not as easy as it sounds. Aiming is something you have to work at, it isn’t as simple as just clicking on someone. You have to build muscle memory.
I have played FPS games, I agree skill is involved. But that doesn’t make it a sport.
That’s what good mouse placement and muscle memory can do for you.
whereas in chess, the physical movement only exists because there wasn’t any other way to move the pieces. Unless you’re thinking about Madden or something, that’s not the type of game I’m talking about.
I fail to see how controlling keyboard/mouse/joystick is any more physical than moving pieces around board, especially when it comes to speed and blitz chess.
You can move chess pieces, right? Then why couldn’t you play as well as professionals? Because, as I tried to demonstrate with the videos above, there is a lot more going on.
just as in chess. Especially in speed chess. I have watched videos of professionals playing speed and blitz chess. They have to sometimes think and move blindly fast as their time is running out.
The target is small; and your opponent will always be moving, you have to try and predict how they’re going to move next. In Counter Strike, the game you saw in those videos, you also have to account for recoil patterns, because the guns “move up” as they’re shot.
I know I have played FPS games. It is possible for someone that is hundreds of pounds overweight to be excellent at FPS games. It is not a sport.
The point is that there is physical exertion involved, so it meets the definition of a sport. Any ideas about the level of physical exertion are just your own preconceived notions, and they have no bearing on what is or isn’t a sport.
ok then walking to my fridge is a sport. That requires physical exertion too. I guess these competitions on how fast one can solve a rubiks cube are also a sport. Sorry but if you play the game sitting in a nice comfy chair it is not a sport.
well it is the truth. Whenever these things happen, the cops are automatically presumed to be in the wrong.
That’s why they are all in jail, gotcha.
I should have said “with the exception of the courts”.
“Except where it matters” would have worked fine as well.
The court of public perception matters. Many of these cops even when found not guilty can never return to their jobs and they. That matters. It matters when the papers and groups like BLM treat you like a murderer. Ask Darren Wilson if he can ever have a normal life again.
Is race car driving a sport?
it is treated like a sport.
And that’s good enough for you? In that case…
that makes it a competition, not necessarily a sport.
Is race car driving a sport?
it is treated like a sport.
And that’s good enough for you? In that case…
wow, how athletic they look. I bet they are barely breaking a sweat, if at all.
Regardless, video games, at least the ones that have a serious competitive community, are much more physical than chess.
Please explain how.
Same reason that I would consider shooting and archery to be a sport, physical accuracy is a skill that needs to be trained. I guarantee that you can’t pick up a shooting game and be as good as the people who play them professionally.
I agree I would not be as those that play video games professionally.
In an FPS, the physical aspect is part of the game;
I don’t understand how.
Honestly it’s pretty hard to explain without having you experience it yourself. I could send you to an online “aim trainer,” but even those are radically different from an actual in-game experience. Below are two timestamped links to a single video, the first link is an example of what bad aiming looks like, the second is an example of good aiming.
https://youtu.be/FPtASGDl2Rw?t=28s
Now, why didn’t that guy just shoot his two opponents in the head for an instant kill? Well, it’s not as easy as it sounds. Aiming is something you have to work at, it isn’t as simple as just clicking on someone. You have to build muscle memory.
I have played FPS games, I agree skill is involved. But that doesn’t make it a sport.
That’s what good mouse placement and muscle memory can do for you.
whereas in chess, the physical movement only exists because there wasn’t any other way to move the pieces. Unless you’re thinking about Madden or something, that’s not the type of game I’m talking about.
I fail to see how controlling keyboard/mouse/joystick is any more physical than moving pieces around board, especially when it comes to speed and blitz chess.
You can move chess pieces, right? Then why couldn’t you play as well as professionals? Because, as I tried to demonstrate with the videos above, there is a lot more going on.
just as in chess. Especially in speed chess. I have watched videos of professionals playing speed and blitz chess. They have to sometimes think and move blindly fast as their time is running out.
The target is small; and your opponent will always be moving, you have to try and predict how they’re going to move next. In Counter Strike, the game you saw in those videos, you also have to account for recoil patterns, because the guns “move up” as they’re shot.
I know I have played FPS games. It is possible for someone that is hundreds of pounds overweight to be excellent at FPS games. It is not a sport.
well it is the truth. Whenever these things happen, the cops are automatically presumed to be in the wrong.
That’s why they are all in jail, gotcha.
I should have said “with the exception of the courts”.
playing video games is not a sport. There is nothing athletic about it.
Seems to fit this definition.
except the physical exertion part. If video games are a sport, chess should be a sport, pool should be a sport. Poker should be a sport.
Chess is a sport in the eyes of many people.
Not in mine. It is a great game and I love it and it requires great skill and intelligence, but it is not a sport.
Would you consider shooting a sport? I would.
I don’t know. It is treated like a sport.
Regardless, video games, at least the ones that have a serious competitive community, are much more physical than chess.
Please explain how.
Same reason that I would consider shooting and archery to be a sport, physical accuracy is a skill that needs to be trained. I guarantee that you can’t pick up a shooting game and be as good as the people who play them professionally.
I agree I would not be as those that play video games professionally.
In an FPS, the physical aspect is part of the game;
I don’t understand how.
whereas in chess, the physical movement only exists because there wasn’t any other way to move the pieces. Unless you’re thinking about Madden or something, that’s not the type of game I’m talking about.
I fail to see how controlling keyboard/mouse/joystick is any more physical than moving pieces around board, especially when it comes to speed and blitz chess.
Is race car driving a sport?
it is treated like a sport.
playing video games is not a sport. There is nothing athletic about it.
Seems to fit this definition.
except the physical exertion part. If video games are a sport, chess should be a sport, pool should be a sport. Poker should be a sport.
Chess is a sport in the eyes of many people.
Not in mine. It is a great game and I love it and it requires great skill and intelligence, but it is not a sport.
Regardless, video games, at least the ones that have a serious competitive community, are much more physical than chess.
Please explain how.
For the record, I’m not being fully serious, just playing devil’s advocate.
oh.
Dahmage’s point was “why does it have to be athletic in a way that men are superior?” This is a question that goes all the way back to sexism again.
I really don’t get what you mean by “why does it have to be athletic in a way that men are superior?”. For one thing, I don’t how something can be athletic without strength and speed coming into play. Also why should strength and speed be set aside? Just to make women feel better?
So I said video games.
video games aren’t athletic.
playing video games is not a sport. There is nothing athletic about it.
Seems to fit this definition.
except the physical exertion part. If video games are a sport, chess should be a sport, pool should be a sport. Poker should be a sport.
well it is the truth. Whenever these things happen, the cops are automatically presumed to be in the wrong.
playing video games is not a sport. There is nothing athletic about it.
We’ll see what an investigation/lawsuit turns up.
no,no,no,no,no,no. We don’t wait for investigations and evidence and trials anymore. The cops are guilty. They are murderers and they shot the guy because they hate his race. We all know it, we don’t need any investigation or evidence or trial! Benefit of the doubt/reasonable doubt don’t matter anymore.
I wonder if there are some sports where women are actually objectively better than men. For instance, certain judged aspects of figure skating and gymnastics?
There are two olympic sports that are gender neutral - equestrian and curling. The latter doesn’t surprise me, but the former does - it requires a lot of strength and athleticism.
In my favorite sport of table tennis, it is no contest - the top woman in the world couldn’t break the top 100 in the men’s ranking, and that has been true since the beginning.
It is interesting to think about. What I think about is, are the ways that we judge things favoring masculinity? Most of sport is traditionally a measure of the fast and strong. But there are other things that we could be measuring, but don’t.
such as?
Our roots are predominantly patriarchal and masculine, so of course we prize that first and foremost.
Well you do have to admit that when it comes to sports, strength speed matters.
But it certainly is not the only measure of skill.
sports isn’t solely a measure of skill.
It would be interesting to see if any of the matriarchal societies have athletic competitions, and how they judge them.
what matriarchal societies do you refer to?
Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. Let’s say, if video games were to become a sport women would probably be better if they were as dedicated as men. Unfortunately it’s another activity that got lost in the sexist world. “Video games are for boys…”
video games aren’t sports.
huh?
Sorry but I can’t consider something I do while having a snack and sitting in a comfy chair in front of my computer a sport.
I wonder if there are some sports where women are actually objectively better than men. For instance, certain judged aspects of figure skating and gymnastics?
possibly. But the men are clearly better at the jumps in figure skating. The men are regularly doing quads while the women are doing triples and doubles.
As for gymnastics, the men do different types of gymnastics as compared to women. Different apparatuses. Men do the Floor Exercise, Pommel Horse, Still Rings, Vault, Parallel Bars, and Horizontal Bar, and women do the Vault, Uneven Bars, Balance Beam, and Floor Exercise. Additionally the floor exercise differs between men and women. The men’s it is more about strength. The women’s is more about the flips and they use music while the men do not. It is possible that the women would be able to beat men on the Uneven Bars, Balance Beam, and Floor Exercise(done women’s style) and the men would be able to beat the women on the Floor Exercise(done men’s style), Pommel Horse, Still Rings, Parallel Bars, and Horizontal Bar. I would think men would do better at the vault as strength and speed(the run up to the vault) come into play there.
There are two olympic sports that are gender neutral - equestrian and curling. The latter doesn’t surprise me, but the former does - it requires a lot of strength and athleticism.
probably cause it is more about controlling the horse.
Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. Let’s say, if video games were to become a sport women would probably be better if they were as dedicated as men. Unfortunately it’s another activity that got lost in the sexist world. “Video games are for boys…”
video games aren’t sports. I would not say “Video games are for boys…”, but I don’t know why you think that women “would probably be better” I don’t know either gender would be an advantage in video games.
Please don’t remind me of that day.
I don’t think anyone is that desperate to win a reality show. Morgan hates Star Wars, so nuts to him anyway. 😛
I thought reality shows are based on shameless desperation.
It would be nice if reality shows were actually based on reality.
Full quote provided for context.
Caldwell’s approach to gender and sport has shifted over time. As she recently tweeted, “I think every time I said that I wanted to ‘jump like the boys’ I was reaffirming that boys are the standard. I don’t think that helps gender equality.”
So if she has a message to send, Caldwell says, it’s not just aimed at girls.
“I want it to be to boys and girls, men and women everywhere. Quit talking about gender. Be your best. It doesn’t matter what’s between your legs. Go out there and be your best,” she says. “I always wanted to be like the boys for a long time, and now I like it when my coaches treat me like me.”
As I said there are more differences between males and females than what is between their legs.
A lot of that difference is made up.
Especially given the surgeries that are possible nowadays!
not really. Just take take a person that was born male surgically altered to be female and stand that person together with 10 women who were born women. I guarantee you I could pick out the one who was surgically altered to be female. She’s be one who is biggest and strongest.
First off, it was a joke.
Second off, I guarantee you that you will not always be right.
true, I would not always be right, but the majority of time I would be.
Have you ever seen a woman weightlifter before?
Yes.
Men are bigger and stronger on average. All men are not bigger and stronger than all women.
true.
I’m glad we could come to this understanding.
ok.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_humans#Physiology
“most males are taller and stronger than females”
WARB, STOP
we know.
Gender roles and stereotypes are more societal constructs than biological truths.
Full quote provided for context.
Caldwell’s approach to gender and sport has shifted over time. As she recently tweeted, “I think every time I said that I wanted to ‘jump like the boys’ I was reaffirming that boys are the standard. I don’t think that helps gender equality.”
So if she has a message to send, Caldwell says, it’s not just aimed at girls.
“I want it to be to boys and girls, men and women everywhere. Quit talking about gender. Be your best. It doesn’t matter what’s between your legs. Go out there and be your best,” she says. “I always wanted to be like the boys for a long time, and now I like it when my coaches treat me like me.”
As I said there are more differences between males and females than what is between their legs.
A lot of that difference is made up.
Especially given the surgeries that are possible nowadays!
not really. Just take take a person that was born male surgically altered to be female and stand that person together with 10 women who were born women. I guarantee you I could pick out the one who was surgically altered to be female. She’s be one who is biggest and strongest.
First off, it was a joke.
Second off, I guarantee you that you will not always be right.
true, I would not always be right, but the majority of time I would be.
Have you ever seen a woman weightlifter before?
Yes.
Men are bigger and stronger on average. All men are not bigger and stronger than all women.
true.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_humans#Physiology
“most males are taller and stronger than females”
