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Post
#1040545
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

DominicCobb said:

I know some of it’s been posted here but this polling is sad indeed:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2017/01/americans-think-trump-will-be-worst-president-since-nixon.html

So much to digest. First of all it seems that in almost every way our elected officials are doing what we don’t want.

Obviously the email stat just makes me want to throw myself into a fire but this is even sadder:

And finally only 18% of voters think it’s acceptable to punch a Nazi in the face, to 51% who say it’s unacceptable and 31% who are unsure on the moral quandary of our times.

I mean, really? This isn’t okay anymore?


Well, technically, unless done as an act of self defense or defense of others(or on a battle field in war), it would be considered assault, which is illegal.

Post
#1040541
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Stinky-Dinkins said:

TV’s Frink said:

Stinky-Dinkins said:

TV’s Frink said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

moviefreakedmind said:

generalfrevious said:

moviefreakedmind said:

The idea that your future was robbed by Trump is like a parody of the most insane anti-Trump people.

Here’s a fact: all rich and/or conservative people are inherently evil, and want all poor people to die.

This kind of crap is why no one on this forum likes you.

It’s the truth.
They are all evil.

Not all conservatives and/or rich people are evil. Some are, some aren’t.

For one thing Trump and the Brexiteers aren’t conservative. They are reactionary. But they are all evil, every last one of them.

I would try to argue the point with you, but I think that would be pointless. Not all Conservatives are evil.

Trump isn’t conservative. A conservative wants to maintain what exists and only change as a matter of last resort. Trump wants to roll backwards to a mythical better time. He is a reactionary. He is evil. his supporters are evil. All of them.

I agree with most of this, but I take issue with all Trump supporters being evil. Some of his supporters are just not very informed. Some are desperate. Some are blinded by party loyalty (ironic since Trump is not Conservative, as you said). Some are evil.

Holy moly! I’m informed, not desperate, and have no party loyalty whatsoever. It’s absolutely crushing to be diagnosed as evil. Do I have full blown evil or just a touch of the evil??? Shoot me straight Frink how long have I got?!

I don’t know, how evil are you if you fall into the “I think other people’s misfortunes are funny” category?

You know I don’t Frink.

could have fooled me.

Post
#1040367
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

dahmage said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Weird that some wanna make it sound like brimstone and fire without actually saying it. Our own intelligence community has stated that it is almost impossible to fully vet these folks and there are 1000 investigations with the FBI at present. There are apparently plenty of immigrants/refugees that don’t even have paperwork they’re supposed to have after being vetted while being here so I don’t know why at least a temporary furlong on this matter is even an issue.

Let them get it sorted and then complain if they don’t agree with some of the criteria.

https://homeland.house.gov/press/nations-top-security-officials-concerns-on-refugee-vetting/

Frink’s favorite go-to site.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/federal-eye/wp/2015/11/17/senior-obama-officials-have-warned-of-challenges-in-screening-refugees-from-syria/?utm_term=.054afa663b35

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-syria-refugees-vetting-gap-20170125-story.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abraham-r-wagner/vetting-syrian-refugees-m_b_8593438.html

I should add that this problem goes at least as far back as the Clinton Administration, probably farther, so it’s not like it’s a big lie or something.

LOL

So, I don’t know if immigration personally effects you, but I happen to live in a city that is very supportive of refugees, and has helped settle way more than the national average. I have good friends that work in resettlement. It is completely untrue that more needs to be done to vet refugees. It takes forever to come to the US as refugees. It is absolutely shameful the way politicians are using fear of terrorists coming as refugees for getting more support. The argument is easy to make, and sounds oh so wise “let’s just take a moment to make sure it is safe”. Well, it’s a very sneaky lie. It is already just about as safe as you can make it. I am sick and tired of hearing these uninformed, but well intentioned sounding statements. I say, let us do some good for refugees, and some good for the US, and keep bringing them in. Refugees make America stronger.

There’s also this:

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

Post
#1040288
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Warbler said:

Some Trump supporters are insane, some are delusional, some are idiots, and some are a combination of all 3.

This is pure opinion and garbage if you’re stating it as fact.

As long as warb isn’t implying his statement to be all inclusive, it isn’t opinion, it is fact.

Then it’s garbage because it simply isn’t true.

So there are no idiots that support Trump? There are no insane people that support? There are no delusional people that support?

Remember, I said some, not all. Some means part of the group. If there are 10 balloons, and I say some are red, it means at least 1 is red. It is true if all 10 are red and it is true if only 1 is red. The only way it couldn’t be true is if none are red.

It’s kind of sad that you have to post this but I don’t blame you one bit.

+1

+2

Post
#1040287
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Jetrell Fo said:

Warbler said:

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Warbler said:

Some Trump supporters are insane, some are delusional, some are idiots, and some are a combination of all 3.

This is pure opinion and garbage if you’re stating it as fact.

As long as warb isn’t implying his statement to be all inclusive, it isn’t opinion, it is fact.

Then it’s garbage because it simply isn’t true.

So there are no idiots that support Trump? There are no insane people that support? There are no delusional people that support?

Remember, I said some, not all. Some means part of the group. If there are 10 balloons, and I say some are red, it means at least 1 is red. It is true if all 10 are red and it is true if only 1 is red. The only way it couldn’t be true is if none are red.

Here are your words …

Warbler said:

Some Trump supporters are insane, some are delusional, some are idiots, and some are a combination of all 3.

You left no room nor did you say that some of them were probably regular decent people. You chose and stuck to 3 catagories … you can dance on semantics all you want. What you said is garbage unless you concede that Trump has supporters that are regular, normal folks in society that are good people.

Since you left it out … I take it as those are your facts about all of them and it’s just untrue.

So there are no idiots that support Trump? There are no insane people that support? There are no delusional people that support?

Remember, I said some, not all. Some means part of the group. If there are 10 balloons, and I say some are red, it means at least 1 is red. It is true if all 10 are red and it is true if only 1 is red. The only way it couldn’t be true is if none are red.

Post
#1040280
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

DominicCobb said:

Tyrphanax said:

Warbler said:

Tyrphanax said:

TV’s Frink said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

moviefreakedmind said:

generalfrevious said:

moviefreakedmind said:

The idea that your future was robbed by Trump is like a parody of the most insane anti-Trump people.

Here’s a fact: all rich and/or conservative people are inherently evil, and want all poor people to die.

This kind of crap is why no one on this forum likes you.

It’s the truth.
They are all evil.

Not all conservatives and/or rich people are evil. Some are, some aren’t.

For one thing Trump and the Brexiteers aren’t conservative. They are reactionary. But they are all evil, every last one of them.

I would try to argue the point with you, but I think that would be pointless. Not all Conservatives are evil.

Trump isn’t conservative. A conservative wants to maintain what exists and only change as a matter of last resort. Trump wants to roll backwards to a mythical better time. He is a reactionary. He is evil. his supporters are evil. All of them.

I agree with most of this, but I take issue with all Trump supporters being evil. Some of his supporters are just not very informed. Some are desperate. Some are blinded by party loyalty (ironic since Trump is not Conservative, as you said). Some are evil.

I agree.

I love the insane pipe dream that we can somehow go back to a time where coal and car-making jobs were plentiful and paid pensions you could retire on and the only reason they don’t exist anymore is because of immigrants and outsourcing (partially true, mind you), but the fact is that mainly through progress and automation, those jobs are gone forever. This reliance on the fantastical “good old days” is inane and damaging. The past is the past and we need to look forward to the future.

If you want to make America greater, you need to invest in education (at all levels, including trades) and help citizens get jobs that pay living wages in a progressive and automated world. You need to invest in comprehensive healthcare reform that guarantees that American citizens won’t have to choose between going bankrupt taking the most basic care of themselves or dying of a preventable or curable disease. You need to welcome immigrants who bring diversity and talent and innovation to our country, instead of another. You need to invest in the less advantaged among us, you need to invest in our veterans, you need to end the war on drugs so that people who make a bad choice don’t end up in poverty for the rest of their lives and so that we don’t invest in a broken, profit-driven prison industrial complex. You need to support our allies overseas and keep America in the minds of the world. You need to support science and space exploration and climate change research; America must be at the global forefront and the cutting edge of innovation and research and development and science in order to be greater. Looking back to the days of the Industrial Revolution only hurts us. Throttling scientific advances and research and reports only hurts us.

If you want to end illegal immigration from our southern border, you need to invest in Mexico and help make it a country with a strong economy and a strong government that its people don’t need to leave in order to secure a future for themselves and their families; you cannot treat the symptoms and expect to cure the disease, you must treat the cause. As a side effect, it also gives us a strong southern ally, and boosts the entire economy of the western hemisphere. You can’t just build a wall and contribute to the destruction of the environment through creating millions oft yards of concrete, by creating an impassable barrier for flora and fauna, by spending millions of taxpayer dollars and expect the problem to just “go away.”

This strange notion that isolationism is a good plan in any way in a modern world is ridiculous. It didn’t work for feudal Japan and it certainly won’t work in 2017. With each area we pull out of, with each foreign program we stop funding, Russia steps in. China steps in. Our rivals step in, and after America finally wakes up from its nap, we will find ourselves in a world where we are no longer a superpower and have no horse in the global race, with more powerful rivals on every side. I wasn’t a fan of TPP in its current form (and its the one thing I’ve agreed with President Trump on so far), but I acknowledge that denying it opens the door for China to dictate trade in the Pacific, and so reworking the TPP to be in the best interests of the people and not the corporations, while allowing the US to hold China’s interests in the Pacific off must happen. Globalization is happening and it cannot be stopped, only ignored to the detriment of the ignorant.

Anyway that got a bit out of hand, but yeah I agree.

great post.

DominicCobb said:

Tyrphanax said:

TV’s Frink said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

moviefreakedmind said:

generalfrevious said:

moviefreakedmind said:

The idea that your future was robbed by Trump is like a parody of the most insane anti-Trump people.

Here’s a fact: all rich and/or conservative people are inherently evil, and want all poor people to die.

This kind of crap is why no one on this forum likes you.

It’s the truth.
They are all evil.

Not all conservatives and/or rich people are evil. Some are, some aren’t.

For one thing Trump and the Brexiteers aren’t conservative. They are reactionary. But they are all evil, every last one of them.

I would try to argue the point with you, but I think that would be pointless. Not all Conservatives are evil.

Trump isn’t conservative. A conservative wants to maintain what exists and only change as a matter of last resort. Trump wants to roll backwards to a mythical better time. He is a reactionary. He is evil. his supporters are evil. All of them.

I agree with most of this, but I take issue with all Trump supporters being evil. Some of his supporters are just not very informed. Some are desperate. Some are blinded by party loyalty (ironic since Trump is not Conservative, as you said). Some are evil.

I agree.

I love the insane pipe dream that we can somehow go back to a time where coal and car-making jobs were plentiful and paid pensions you could retire on and the only reason they don’t exist anymore is because of immigrants and outsourcing (partially true, mind you), but the fact is that mainly through progress and automation, those jobs are gone forever. This reliance on the fantastical “good old days” is inane and damaging. The past is the past and we need to look forward to the future.

If you want to make America greater, you need to invest in education (at all levels, including trades) and help citizens get jobs that pay living wages in a progressive and automated world. You need to invest in comprehensive healthcare reform that guarantees that American citizens won’t have to choose between going bankrupt taking the most basic care of themselves or dying of a preventable or curable disease. You need to welcome immigrants who bring diversity and talent and innovation to our country, instead of another. You need to invest in the less advantaged among us, you need to invest in our veterans, you need to end the war on drugs so that people who make a bad choice don’t end up in poverty for the rest of their lives and so that we don’t invest in a broken, profit-driven prison industrial complex. You need to support our allies overseas and keep America in the minds of the world. You need to support science and space exploration and climate change research; America must be at the global forefront and the cutting edge of innovation and research and development and science in order to be greater. Looking back to the days of the Industrial Revolution only hurts us. Throttling scientific advances and research and reports only hurts us.

If you want to end illegal immigration from our southern border, you need to invest in Mexico and help make it a country with a strong economy and a strong government that its people don’t need to leave in order to secure a future for themselves and their families; you cannot treat the symptoms and expect to cure the disease, you must treat the cause. As a side effect, it also gives us a strong southern ally, and boosts the entire economy of the western hemisphere. You can’t just build a wall and contribute to the destruction of the environment through creating millions oft yards of concrete, by creating an impassable barrier for flora and fauna, by spending millions of taxpayer dollars and expect the problem to just “go away.”

This strange notion that isolationism is a good plan in any way in a modern world is ridiculous. It didn’t work for feudal Japan and it certainly won’t work in 2017. With each area we pull out of, with each foreign program we stop funding, Russia steps in. China steps in. Our rivals step in, and after America finally wakes up from its nap, we will find ourselves in a world where we are no longer a superpower and have no horse in the global race, with more powerful rivals on every side. I wasn’t a fan of TPP in its current form (and its the one thing I’ve agreed with President Trump on so far), but I acknowledge that denying it opens the door for China to dictate trade in the Pacific, and so reworking the TPP to be in the best interests of the people and not the corporations, while allowing the US to hold China’s interests in the Pacific off must happen. Globalization is happening and it cannot be stopped, only ignored to the detriment of the ignorant.

Anyway that got a bit out of hand, but yeah I agree.

This is a quality post.

Thanks, guys.

Woah, slow down. I didn’t ask for your thanks or your friendship. We’re all humans here and no one is perfect. Enough with the baiting posts.

This is an opinion.

Post
#1040261
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Jetrell Fo said:

DominicCobb said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Warbler said:

Some Trump supporters are insane, some are delusional, some are idiots, and some are a combination of all 3.

This is pure opinion and garbage if you’re stating it as fact.

As long as warb isn’t implying his statement to be all inclusive, it isn’t opinion, it is fact.

Then it’s garbage because it simply isn’t true.

So there are no idiots that support Trump? There are no insane people that support? There are no delusional people that support?

Remember, I said some, not all. Some means part of the group. If there are 10 balloons, and I say some are red, it means at least 1 is red. It is true if all 10 are red and it is true if only 1 is red. The only way it couldn’t be true is if none are red.

Post
#1040205
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Tyrphanax said:

TV’s Frink said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

moviefreakedmind said:

generalfrevious said:

moviefreakedmind said:

The idea that your future was robbed by Trump is like a parody of the most insane anti-Trump people.

Here’s a fact: all rich and/or conservative people are inherently evil, and want all poor people to die.

This kind of crap is why no one on this forum likes you.

It’s the truth.
They are all evil.

Not all conservatives and/or rich people are evil. Some are, some aren’t.

For one thing Trump and the Brexiteers aren’t conservative. They are reactionary. But they are all evil, every last one of them.

I would try to argue the point with you, but I think that would be pointless. Not all Conservatives are evil.

Trump isn’t conservative. A conservative wants to maintain what exists and only change as a matter of last resort. Trump wants to roll backwards to a mythical better time. He is a reactionary. He is evil. his supporters are evil. All of them.

I agree with most of this, but I take issue with all Trump supporters being evil. Some of his supporters are just not very informed. Some are desperate. Some are blinded by party loyalty (ironic since Trump is not Conservative, as you said). Some are evil.

I agree.

I love the insane pipe dream that we can somehow go back to a time where coal and car-making jobs were plentiful and paid pensions you could retire on and the only reason they don’t exist anymore is because of immigrants and outsourcing (partially true, mind you), but the fact is that mainly through progress and automation, those jobs are gone forever. This reliance on the fantastical “good old days” is inane and damaging. The past is the past and we need to look forward to the future.

If you want to make America greater, you need to invest in education (at all levels, including trades) and help citizens get jobs that pay living wages in a progressive and automated world. You need to invest in comprehensive healthcare reform that guarantees that American citizens won’t have to choose between going bankrupt taking the most basic care of themselves or dying of a preventable or curable disease. You need to welcome immigrants who bring diversity and talent and innovation to our country, instead of another. You need to invest in the less advantaged among us, you need to invest in our veterans, you need to end the war on drugs so that people who make a bad choice don’t end up in poverty for the rest of their lives and so that we don’t invest in a broken, profit-driven prison industrial complex. You need to support our allies overseas and keep America in the minds of the world. You need to support science and space exploration and climate change research; America must be at the global forefront and the cutting edge of innovation and research and development and science in order to be greater. Looking back to the days of the Industrial Revolution only hurts us. Throttling scientific advances and research and reports only hurts us.

If you want to end illegal immigration from our southern border, you need to invest in Mexico and help make it a country with a strong economy and a strong government that its people don’t need to leave in order to secure a future for themselves and their families; you cannot treat the symptoms and expect to cure the disease, you must treat the cause. As a side effect, it also gives us a strong southern ally, and boosts the entire economy of the western hemisphere. You can’t just build a wall and contribute to the destruction of the environment through creating millions oft yards of concrete, by creating an impassable barrier for flora and fauna, by spending millions of taxpayer dollars and expect the problem to just “go away.”

This strange notion that isolationism is a good plan in any way in a modern world is ridiculous. It didn’t work for feudal Japan and it certainly won’t work in 2017. With each area we pull out of, with each foreign program we stop funding, Russia steps in. China steps in. Our rivals step in, and after America finally wakes up from its nap, we will find ourselves in a world where we are no longer a superpower and have no horse in the global race, with more powerful rivals on every side. I wasn’t a fan of TPP in its current form (and its the one thing I’ve agreed with President Trump on so far), but I acknowledge that denying it opens the door for China to dictate trade in the Pacific, and so reworking the TPP to be in the best interests of the people and not the corporations, while allowing the US to hold China’s interests in the Pacific off must happen. Globalization is happening and it cannot be stopped, only ignored to the detriment of the ignorant.

Anyway that got a bit out of hand, but yeah I agree.

great post.

Post
#1040179
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

moviefreakedmind said:

generalfrevious said:

moviefreakedmind said:

The idea that your future was robbed by Trump is like a parody of the most insane anti-Trump people.

Here’s a fact: all rich and/or conservative people are inherently evil, and want all poor people to die.

This kind of crap is why no one on this forum likes you.

It’s the truth.
They are all evil.

Not all conservatives and/or rich people are evil. Some are, some aren’t.

For one thing Trump and the Brexiteers aren’t conservative. They are reactionary. But they are all evil, every last one of them.

I would try to argue the point with you, but I think that would be pointless. Not all Conservatives are evil.

Trump isn’t conservative. A conservative wants to maintain what exists and only change as a matter of last resort. Trump wants to roll backwards to a mythical better time. He is a reactionary. He is evil. his supporters are evil. All of them.

When you said “It’s the truth. They are all evil”. It was in response to Frevious saying “Here’s a fact: all rich and/or conservative people are inherently evil, and want all poor people to die” He didn’t say Trump supporters, he said “all rich and/pr conservative”.

Post
#1040138
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

moviefreakedmind said:

generalfrevious said:

moviefreakedmind said:

The idea that your future was robbed by Trump is like a parody of the most insane anti-Trump people.

Here’s a fact: all rich and/or conservative people are inherently evil, and want all poor people to die.

This kind of crap is why no one on this forum likes you.

It’s the truth.
They are all evil.

Not all conservatives and/or rich people are evil. Some are, some aren’t.

For one thing Trump and the Brexiteers aren’t conservative. They are reactionary. But they are all evil, every last one of them.

I would try to argue the point with you, but I think that would be pointless. Not all Conservatives are evil.

Post
#1040123
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Bingowings said:

moviefreakedmind said:

generalfrevious said:

moviefreakedmind said:

The idea that your future was robbed by Trump is like a parody of the most insane anti-Trump people.

Here’s a fact: all rich and/or conservative people are inherently evil, and want all poor people to die.

This kind of crap is why no one on this forum likes you.

It’s the truth.
They are all evil.

Not all conservatives and/or rich people are evil. Some are, some aren’t.

Post
#1039779
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

doubleofive said:

Spicer just announced that the wall would be paid for with a 20% tax on Mexican imports. Now I’m assuming that this means Mexicans importing American goods, but no one is stating it like that. They all say a tax on Mexican goods coming into the US. That would mean that American consumers would be paying for it…

I have a bad feeling about this.