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Warbler

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#1054019
Topic
The Place to Go for Emotional Support
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Mike O said:

Warbler said:

Sorry to hear that, Mike. I wish I could give you some good advice, but this is out of my area of expertise. Maybe you should talk to your Dad’s doctor again, maybe your medications need adjusting. Have you seen the psychiatrist yet? If so, tell him that you feel you are backsliding. If not, maybe it is time to me with him. Keep in mind this is coming from someone that has little knowledge of what he is talking about. I hope and pray you get better.

I’m trying to see my dad’s doctor, but he’s hard to get a hold of. He’s only contactable by Dad or phone and has a secretary and no answering machine. My father pointed out that I should probably look into getting a new one who’s educational minds more with the age of computers, and with whom I’m a little bit more compatible. Oh, and my dad has hernia surgery tomorrow, my brother’s girlfriend’s father is in stage one of pancreatic cancer, and is going to start chemotherapy on St. Patrick’s Day. I had a breakdown in front of my crucifix yesterday and started sobbing. And I came home from work to that wasn’t too bad, only to indulge in considerable compulsions, and the associated inexplicable guilt, anger, anxiety, depression, and circular obsessiveness that I cannot control.

Man, you have a lot of bad stuff going on. I wish I could give you some good advise, but I just don’t know what to say. I continue to pray for you.

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#1054018
Topic
The Place to Go for Emotional Support
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darthrush said:

I had been really into a girl for about a month. We went out a lot of dates and we really liked each other. Eventually she started having some family issues and started getting some really awful depression. I could tell her life was spiraling out of control. She talked to a therapist and decided it is best for her to not have a relationship with anyone right now. The saddest thing is that I completely understand and this is the right thing for her to do but I really liked her a lot. This hurt a lot 😦 I feel really hopeless and depressed

*sigh* sorry to hear that, Darthrush. That is frustrating and it sucks. Try to hang in there.

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#1053877
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

at some point lies do actually matter.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/322883-trump-i-have-tremendous-respect-for-women

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/03/08/21-times-donald-trump-has-assured-us-he-respects-women/?utm_term=.ac88a735027e

21 times since he started running for President!

21 alternative facts?

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#1053674
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

so called President.

You mean the President?

Well, when the so-called President calls other people “so-called” he should expect the same.

exactly.

Well, I’m glad to see that you’re inspired to emulate the behavior of Donald Trump.

It is interesting that you criticize me for it, but you don’t seem to criticize him for it.

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#1053450
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

So basically to you have two systems because your government is in a spat with the political parties. nice.

Not the government. Elected officials are squarely on the side of the parties (that’s who they are). Ballot initiatives bypass the legislature and the governor here. This one was written, I believe, by the state Grange. So it’d be pretty fairly described as a spat between the state parties and the state population.

state Grange?

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#1053287
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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CatBus said:

Warbler said:

Everyone who is registered as a Democrat went to polls and voted for which Democrat they wanted to represent the Democratic party in the General Election.

Out west, things get murkier. At least in my state, you don’t register as a member of a particular party at all, so technically everyone in the state is an independent. At primary time, you basically decide right on the spot which party’s primary you’d like to influence this year and choose that ballot (or attend that caucus, or both because yes we’re weird that way).

You have primaries AND caucuses??? How does that work?

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#1053282
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

TV’s Frink said:

Ryan is not from the US and I’m not sure how his party system works

To put it as simply as I can… In a UK General Election. We just vote for our local MP. The Party with the most MPs wins and must form a government. We don’t directly vote for the Prime-Minister.

Which is why I used the word “Party” in my example. I think we all understand what I was saying.

US elections work differently. For each office that we election, be it Congress person, Senator, or US President, we have Primary Elections and General Elections.

In Primary Elections, you decide which candidate will represent the party. Democrats vote on one ballot and Republicans vote on another. In last year’s Primary Election, we had on the Democratic ballot for President Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders and couple of other minor Democrats. Everyone who is registered as a Democrat went to polls and voted for which Democrat they wanted to represent the Democratic party in the General Election. We had on the Republican ballot for President Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, John Kasich and Chris Christie and couple of other minor Republicans. Everyone who is registered as a Republican went to polls and voted for which Republican they wanted to represent the Republican party in the General Election. Hillary Clinton won the Democratic primary and Donald Trump won the Republican primary.

In General Election, you decide which candidate will be elected. In this year’s Presidential Election, you had winners of the Democratic and Republican primaries(Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump), anyone running as an independent candidate and those representing minor parties on the ballot(you can also choose to write-in someone not appearing on the ballot if you want to vote that way).

Yes I know how it works and I’ve been following it but it’s not relevant to the point I was making.

You seemed to be indicating that person A would need to know the party affiliation of person B. That would not be true in a general election where person B was too lazy to vote.

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#1053278
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

The primary fraud idea is somewhat silly - if you end up stuck with a ballot on the other side, what’s the point really?

Well, you could vote for someone you though had no chance against your own party’s candidate in the general election.

This is not a smart strategy. I remember some Dems saying they were hoping the GOP would nominate Trump because beating him would be a cake walk. Look how that turned out…

Well, it doesn’t always work.

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#1053257
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

Okay. I will try one more time

Let us say there are 2 people. Person A and person B. They are registered in different polling places. Now, lets say person B for whatever doesn’t vote. What is to stop person A from going to his own polling place, vote and then going to person B’s polling place and lie and say he was person B and then vote again? Without requiring IDs, what is to stop that? How would person A get caught?

As I’ve already said… nothing.

If person-A knew person-B’s name, knew with certainty that they were not going to vote, knew at what polling station they were registered to vote, knew what their voting intentions were and knew that person-B was not known to the officials at the polling station (not unlikely in my experience)… then yeah they could commit the perfect crime and nobody would know.

You have a point here. (However person A would not need to know person B’s voting intentions, only that he wasn’t going to vote)

If your intent was to change a persons vote from party-A to party-B, it could matter that you selected a target that wasn’t going to vote for party-B already. Otherwise you potentially aren’t a very effective election fraudster.

The party thing would only matter in primaries, not general elections.

It wouldn’t?

Not in general elections. It does matter in the primaries, when you are voting to decide which candidate will represent the party in the general election, but it doesn’t matter in the general election.

You have it backwards, because you said “the party thing would only matter in primaries, not general elections.”

No, I don’t. We were talking about whether or not person A would need to know the party affiliation of person B. The only time person A would need to know that is in primary elections, not general elections.

Primary Elections:

You vote by party to determine who will represent the party in the general election. There are separate ballots for each party.

General Elections:

You vote for you want for whatever office you are voting for. There is only ballot.

Regardless, Ryan is not from the US and I’m not sure how his party system works, but he could have just said “if your intent was to change a person’s vote from person-A to person-B, it could matter that you selected a target that wasn’t going to vote for person-B already. Otherwise you potentially aren’t a very effective election fraudster.”

No, in our discussion, person B was a person who wasn’t going to vote all. If it was a general election and person B wasn’t going to vote but was registered to vote, person A come come into person B’s polling place and vote as person B.

Party/Primary/General/Person/etc it doesn’t matter. We are just talking about a choice. Person A’s choice, Person B’s choice.

I will try again:

Let us say we are talking about a general election. Person A and B live in different areas so they don’t vote at the same polling place. the workers at the polling places don’t know person A or B personally, so they don’t know what they look like. Person B, is registered but as decided not to vote. What is too stop person A from voting at his own polling place, then go to the one that person B would have used if he was voting, and pretend to be person B and vote twice?

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#1053256
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

DominicCobb said:

The idea is that which person/party is going to vote for would matter in a general election because if you’re a say a tricky fraudulent Dem/Hillary supporter, you don’t want to bother committing fraud by voting as someone who would have voted for Dems/Hillary anyway.

It the situation we were talking about, person B although registered wasn’t going to vote.

The primary fraud idea is somewhat silly - if you end up stuck with a ballot on the other side, what’s the point really?

Well, you could vote for someone you thought had no chance against your own party’s candidate in the general election.

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#1053254
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Ryan McAvoy said:

TV’s Frink said:

Ryan is not from the US and I’m not sure how his party system works

To put it as simply as I can… In a UK General Election. We just vote for our local MP. The Party with the most MPs wins and must form a government. We don’t directly vote for the Prime-Minister.

Which is why I used the word “Party” in my example. I think we all understand what I was saying.

US elections work differently. For each office that we election, be it Congress person, Senator, or US President, we have Primary Elections and General Elections.

In Primary Elections, you decide which candidate will represent the party. Democrats vote on one ballot and Republicans vote on another. In last year’s Primary Election, we had on the Democratic ballot for President Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders and couple of other minor Democrats. Everyone who is registered as a Democrat went to polls and voted for which Democrat they wanted to represent the Democratic party in the General Election. We had on the Republican ballot for President Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, John Kasich and Chris Christie and couple of other minor Republicans. Everyone who is registered as a Republican went to polls and voted for which Republican they wanted to represent the Republican party in the General Election. Hillary Clinton won the Democratic primary and Donald Trump won the Republican primary.

In General Election, you decide which candidate will be elected. In this year’s Presidential Election, you had winners of the Democratic and Republican primaries(Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump), anyone running as an independent candidate and those representing minor parties on the ballot(you can also choose to write-in someone not appearing on the ballot if you want to vote that way).

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#1053242
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

Okay. I will try one more time

Let us say there are 2 people. Person A and person B. They are registered in different polling places. Now, lets say person B for whatever doesn’t vote. What is to stop person A from going to his own polling place, vote and then going to person B’s polling place and lie and say he was person B and then vote again? Without requiring IDs, what is to stop that? How would person A get caught?

As I’ve already said… nothing.

If person-A knew person-B’s name, knew with certainty that they were not going to vote, knew at what polling station they were registered to vote, knew what their voting intentions were and knew that person-B was not known to the officials at the polling station (not unlikely in my experience)… then yeah they could commit the perfect crime and nobody would know.

You have a point here. (However person A would not need to know person B’s voting intentions, only that he wasn’t going to vote)

If your intent was to change a persons vote from party-A to party-B, it could matter that you selected a target that wasn’t going to vote for party-B already. Otherwise you potentially aren’t a very effective election fraudster.

The party thing would only matter in primaries, not general elections.

It wouldn’t?

Not in general elections. It does matter in the primaries, when you are voting to decide which candidate will represent the party in the general election, but it doesn’t matter in the general election.

You have it backwards, because you said “the party thing would only matter in primaries, not general elections.”

No, I don’t. We were talking about whether or not person A would need to know the party affiliation of person B. The only time person A would need to know that is in primary elections, not general elections.

Primary Elections:

You vote by party to determine who will represent the party in the general election. There are separate ballots for each party.

General Elections:

You vote for you want for whatever office you are voting for. There is only ballot.

Regardless, Ryan is not from the US and I’m not sure how his party system works, but he could have just said “if your intent was to change a person’s vote from person-A to person-B, it could matter that you selected a target that wasn’t going to vote for person-B already. Otherwise you potentially aren’t a very effective election fraudster.”

No, in our discussion, person B was a person who wasn’t going to vote all. If it was a general election and person B wasn’t going to vote but was registered to vote, person A come come into person B’s polling place and vote as person B.

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#1053233
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

Okay. I will try one more time

Let us say there are 2 people. Person A and person B. They are registered in different polling places. Now, lets say person B for whatever doesn’t vote. What is to stop person A from going to his own polling place, vote and then going to person B’s polling place and lie and say he was person B and then vote again? Without requiring IDs, what is to stop that? How would person A get caught?

As I’ve already said… nothing.

If person-A knew person-B’s name, knew with certainty that they were not going to vote, knew at what polling station they were registered to vote, knew what their voting intentions were and knew that person-B was not known to the officials at the polling station (not unlikely in my experience)… then yeah they could commit the perfect crime and nobody would know.

You have a point here. (However person A would not need to know person B’s voting intentions, only that he wasn’t going to vote)

If your intent was to change a persons vote from party-A to party-B, it could matter that you selected a target that wasn’t going to vote for party-B already. Otherwise you potentially aren’t a very effective election fraudster.

The party thing would only matter in primaries, not general elections.

It wouldn’t?

Not in general elections. It does matter in the primaries, when you are voting to decide which candidate will represent the party in the general election, but it doesn’t matter in the general election.