Warbler

moviefreakedmind said:

Oh my God. I said you “should”. I know you’ll never get that marriage isn’t sacred, I just said that you should.

Well, I won’t get that.

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

We should stop considering marriage to be some sacred bond because it fucking isn’t.

Well, that is not going to happen because some us think marriage is a sacred bond.

That’s why I said that you should STOP!!

Well, that is not going to happen.

Mrebo said:

Have had less time/attention lately for posting, and other things. There’s a political post I meant to get back to…suffice to say you’re all wrong! 😉 I may take a hiatus or probably just reduced/lurker mode. All for good reasons. See ya around, kids.

That is unfortunate. 😦

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

This issue only first bugged me when George Bush (Jr.) kept saying “we have to pray”. Every time something happened, those seemed to always be his words - “we have to pray”. Well, I’m not religious, and it just kinda bugged me that the president of a democratic country ostensibly with separation of church and state seemed so intent on having me pray.

Even though we have separation of church and state, the President is still an American Citizen and the Bill of Right apply to him just as they do with other citizens. He has freedom of religion and speech. This means he can be a Christian and pray and can say that he thinks others should pray as well.

That makes him an irresponsible leader.

Asking for prayer makes one an irresponsible leader???

Yes. He’s not a priest, he’s a political leader and calling the masses to pray to your god is a waste of time and it borders on the government respecting a specific religion, which is a violation of the first amendment.

I don’t think the President expressing his own religious beliefs = the government respecting a specific religion.

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I don’t want my leaders to waste one second on prayer.

Well, not everyone is like you. Some people like leaders who pray.

Well, that’s their problem.

and if you don’t like the President asking for prayer for victims of a shooting well, that’s your problem.

ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

This issue only first bugged me when George Bush (Jr.) kept saying “we have to pray”. Every time something happened, those seemed to always be his words - “we have to pray”. Well, I’m not religious, and it just kinda bugged me that the president of a democratic country ostensibly with separation of church and state seemed so intent on having me pray.

Even though we have separation of church and state, the President is still an American Citizen and the Bill of Right apply to him just as they do with other citizens. He has freedom of religion and speech. This means he can be a Christian and pray and can say that he thinks others should pray as well.

I know he has that right. But it doesn’t seem appropriate to me to use this particular office as a pulpit. It’s not part of the job description - quite the contrary. That’s kinda what separation of church and state means.

I don’t think separation of church and state means that it is inappropriate for the President to ask people to pray

I think that’s exactly what it means,

No, it means he can’t force people to pray, it doesn’t mean he can’t ask.

No, but it’s certainly inappropriate in my view, specifically because of the concept of separation of church and state.

I guess we have a different opinion on what separation of church and state means. I don’t think it means the President can’t ask for prayer.

moviefreakedmind said:

I’m sure if I were President and asked everyone to partake in satanic rituals for the victims then Warbler would be okay with that. He is principled and consistent after all.

Well I would agree he has the right to ask, but I really don’t want a satanist to be my President, so I wouldn’t vote for such.

Jeebus said:

Getting married makes you a bad person.

???

moviefreakedmind said:

We should stop considering marriage to be some sacred bond because it fucking isn’t.

Well, that is not going to happen because some us think marriage is a sacred bond.

moviefreakedmind said:

I don’t want my leaders to waste one second on prayer.

Well, not everyone is like you. Some people like leaders who pray.

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

This issue only first bugged me when George Bush (Jr.) kept saying “we have to pray”. Every time something happened, those seemed to always be his words - “we have to pray”. Well, I’m not religious, and it just kinda bugged me that the president of a democratic country ostensibly with separation of church and state seemed so intent on having me pray.

Even though we have separation of church and state, the President is still an American Citizen and the Bill of Right apply to him just as they do with other citizens. He has freedom of religion and speech. This means he can be a Christian and pray and can say that he thinks others should pray as well.

That makes him an irresponsible leader.

Asking for prayer makes one an irresponsible leader???

ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

This issue only first bugged me when George Bush (Jr.) kept saying “we have to pray”. Every time something happened, those seemed to always be his words - “we have to pray”. Well, I’m not religious, and it just kinda bugged me that the president of a democratic country ostensibly with separation of church and state seemed so intent on having me pray.

Even though we have separation of church and state, the President is still an American Citizen and the Bill of Right apply to him just as they do with other citizens. He has freedom of religion and speech. This means he can be a Christian and pray and can say that he thinks others should pray as well.

I know he has that right. But it doesn’t seem appropriate to me to use this particular office as a pulpit. It’s not part of the job description - quite the contrary. That’s kinda what separation of church and state means.

I don’t think separation of church and state means that it is inappropriate for the President to ask people to pray

I think that’s exactly what it means,

No, it means he can’t force people to pray, it doesn’t mean he can’t ask.

Handman said:

First good thing that’s happened during this administration, though the lawsuit predates it:
Justice Department Sides Against Harvard In Racial Discrimination Lawsuit (NPR)

As someone whom has an Asian American niece, I agree.

Mrebo said:

chyron’s got it right.

I agree.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

This issue only first bugged me when George Bush (Jr.) kept saying “we have to pray”. Every time something happened, those seemed to always be his words - “we have to pray”. Well, I’m not religious, and it just kinda bugged me that the president of a democratic country ostensibly with separation of church and state seemed so intent on having me pray.

Even though we have separation of church and state, the President is still an American Citizen and the Bill of Right apply to him just as they do with other citizens. He has freedom of religion and speech. This means he can be a Christian and pray and can say that he thinks others should pray as well.

I know he has that right. But it doesn’t seem appropriate to me to use this particular office as a pulpit. It’s not part of the job description - quite the contrary. That’s kinda what separation of church and state means.

I don’t think separation of church and state means that it is inappropriate for the President to ask people to pray for victims of a shooting.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

This issue only first bugged me when George Bush (Jr.) kept saying “we have to pray”. Every time something happened, those seemed to always be his words - “we have to pray”. Well, I’m not religious, and it just kinda bugged me that the president of a democratic country ostensibly with separation of church and state seemed so intent on having me pray.

Even though we have separation of church and state, the President is still an American Citizen and the Bill of Right apply to him just as they do with other citizens. He has freedom of religion and speech. This means he can be a Christian and pray and can say that he thinks others should pray as well.

moviefreakedmind said:

The only fun part about weddings is thinking about how meaningless all those sappy, lovey-dovey vows will be in four years when the bride and groom get divorced.

That man could depress a hyena.

I think some of them give a shit, they just don’t think more gun control is the solution(I disagree with them). There are of course some that only care about the campaign contributions from the NRA.

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

If want politicians to act on guns, then say that instead of being offended at the offering of condolences.

If they’re going to do nothing, then they shouldn’t offer condolences.

Why?

I think the anti-thoughts-and-prayers thing is stupid. If you want politicians to act on guns, then say that instead of being offended at the offering of condolences. You do know liberal politicians started that, right? It is just another way to have another dig at the other side. I’d rather have legit, real, and rational debate and conversation instead of game playing.

Possessed said:

A joke that’s been going around the forum for close to a year I think lol.

Maybe it was going around in one of the sections that I don’t usually visit. Anyway, mind explaining the joke?

I’m thinking a missed a joke.

DuracellEnergizer said:

If a cooked pizza’s bad, is a burnt pizza evil?

Why would a cooked pizza be bad? I didn’t think people usually ate pizza raw.

Handman said:

Mrebo said:

I think the anti- “thoughts and prayers” meme is more tired than the condolences people offer. Complaining about expressions of sympathy gets zero traction in trying to convince people of policy views.

But it’s Clint Eastwood, not exactly your typical liberal.

What does Clint Eastwood have to do with this?

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

It isn’t literally doing nothing, but it accomplishes absolutely nothing tangible. Plus it insults people like me that don’t want your prayers. I don’t think you should make your decisions based on what assholes like me want, or what anyone else wants for that matter, but if your goal is compassion then you could consider how your offering of prayer might be the equivalent of the middle finger to some.

I think very few would consider it the equivalent of the middle finger, even if they did I would still pray for them.

In that case it actually would be the equivalent of the middle finger.

Well sorry, but that is what I do.

moviefreakedmind said:

It isn’t literally doing nothing, but it accomplishes absolutely nothing tangible. Plus it insults people like me that don’t want your prayers. I don’t think you should make your decisions based on what assholes like me want, or what anyone else wants for that matter, but if your goal is compassion then you could consider how your offering of prayer might be the equivalent of the middle finger to some.

I think very few would consider it the equivalent of the middle finger, even if they did I would still pray for them. What I would not do is use it as an excuse to do nothing to solve the problem.