Warbler

SilverWook said:

chyron8472 said:

Handman said:

When is Frink coming back?

I assume the ban is lasting at least a month, looking at the date of last activity. That would mean 9 more days at least.

*shrug* I’m not really sorry he’s gone, though. As unpopular a position as that might be.

A gentle reminder not to knock on people who aren’t able to respond here.

I understand having limits on what one can say about someone who is banned or otherwise unable to respond and defend themselves. One certainly shouldn’t be allowed make fun of, personally attack, or name call such. But if you are going to ban all negative opinions about such, positive opinions about such should also be banned(imagine if you will how unfair we would all think it would be if mods on a forum said you were allowed to give positive opinions about Trump or some other politician but not negative opinions). Besides, if the person can’t respond be the person is banned, the mods must either agree that it is the person’s own fault that they can’t respond or that they banned someone that didn’t deserve to be banned.

moviefreakedmind said:

That’s the first I’m hearing of it.

oojason has announced that he is stepping down as a mod. (yet his sig still indicates that he is a mod)

SilverWook said:

Meanwhile, we’ve had a major staff departure, and it seems a good lot of you haven’t even noticed yet. 😕

I’ve noticed and I have no comment.

I’ve always hated Carlin. I thought he was clueless, ignorant, arrogant, and nuts. (especially in the latter stages of his career)

*sigh*

I seriously don’t know why I get so much grief for my stance. I am simply patriotic. I don’t like people being disrespectful to the National Anthem. I agree they have the Constitutional and legal right to protest and kneel during the National Anthem. But that doesn’t mean I have to agree with what they do. I have a right to not like their forum of protest and the right to not support it by not buying products from companies that put anthem protesters in their ads.

Possessed said:

They have a deal with that one football player who had the audacity to peacefully protest in a nondisruptive way that warbler doesn’t like.

and many others.

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

Good thing I don’t get my sneakers from Nike.

Glad you enjoyed punishing people.

How am I doing that?

Why are you upset with Nike?

Why do you think?

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

Good thing I don’t get my sneakers from Nike.

Glad you enjoyed punishing people.

How am I doing that?

*shruggs shoulders*

In the event a word has multiple meanings, a good dictionary would give all of the multiple meanings.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Oy. . . .

What?

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

a·the·ism
ˈāTHēˌizəm/Submit
noun
noun: atheism
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
synonyms: nonbelief, disbelief, unbelief, irreligion, skepticism, doubt, agnosticism; nihilism

ag·nos·tic
aɡˈnästik/Submit
noun
plural noun: agnostics
a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.
synonyms: skeptic, doubter, doubting Thomas, cynic; More

Dictionary definitions are one thing, cultural assumptions are another. Often people think an agnostic is someone on the fence who can be swayed one way or another. Which is why many just identify as aetheist - they’re not going to claim they know without a single doubt there is no God, but they’re not religious in any way and live life as if there almost definitely isn’t.

I hate labels either way. Once you say you’re one thing or another people start to assume things about your beliefs. In my mind, saying you’re atheist shouldn’t imply anything except that you’re not religious and don’t believe in God. But some people think as if it’s a religion itself.

As for the president asking citizens to pray, it’s obviously not a big deal, but it is one of the many ways religion has wrongfully ingrained itself in our government. So yeah, it’s not a big deal, but it’s not completely okay either.

Words have definitions.

Words also have connotations, misunderstandings, and, of course, more than one specific definition.

Ultimately, it comes down to this for me. I think being an agnostic is just a subset of atheism (or of theism, depending on where you’re leaning, this is where the more specific definitions come in). So when I identify as an atheist (which I don’t often do, sometimes I just say I’m not religious), I don’t think I’m really ignoring anything but the strictest definitions of the word. I tend not to identify as an agnostic because that brings along with it certain assumptions that aren’t in Merriam Webster and don’t apply to me.

Words have meaning beyond what’s written in the dictionary.

Maybe, but dictionary definitions shouldn’t be ignored. Otherwise, words don’t have any real meaning and they just mean whatever each individual wants them to mean. What if I tried to call myself an athiest? How would you show I was wrong to do that? By showing me the definition, that’s how. Words have definitions.

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

a·the·ism
ˈāTHēˌizəm/Submit
noun
noun: atheism
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
synonyms: nonbelief, disbelief, unbelief, irreligion, skepticism, doubt, agnosticism; nihilism

ag·nos·tic
aɡˈnästik/Submit
noun
plural noun: agnostics
a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.
synonyms: skeptic, doubter, doubting Thomas, cynic; More

Dictionary definitions are one thing, cultural assumptions are another. Often people think an agnostic is someone on the fence who can be swayed one way or another. Which is why many just identify as aetheist - they’re not going to claim they know without a single doubt there is no God, but they’re not religious in any way and live life as if there almost definitely isn’t.

I hate labels either way. Once you say you’re one thing or another people start to assume things about your beliefs. In my mind, saying you’re atheist shouldn’t imply anything except that you’re not religious and don’t believe in God. But some people think as if it’s a religion itself.

As for the president asking citizens to pray, it’s obviously not a big deal, but it is one of the many ways religion has wrongfully ingrained itself in our government. So yeah, it’s not a big deal, but it’s not completely okay either.

Words have definitions.

Definitions also evolve.

And then dictionaries update the definitions. I wasn’t aware the source I used (google) was out of date.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Warbler said:

a·the·ism
ˈāTHēˌizəm/Submit
noun
noun: atheism
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
synonyms: nonbelief, disbelief, unbelief, irreligion, skepticism, doubt, agnosticism; nihilism

ag·nos·tic
aɡˈnästik/Submit
noun
plural noun: agnostics
a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.
synonyms: skeptic, doubter, doubting Thomas, cynic; More

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism

ok.

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

a·the·ism
ˈāTHēˌizəm/Submit
noun
noun: atheism
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
synonyms: nonbelief, disbelief, unbelief, irreligion, skepticism, doubt, agnosticism; nihilism

ag·nos·tic
aɡˈnästik/Submit
noun
plural noun: agnostics
a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.
synonyms: skeptic, doubter, doubting Thomas, cynic; More

Dictionary definitions are one thing, cultural assumptions are another. Often people think an agnostic is someone on the fence who can be swayed one way or another. Which is why many just identify as aetheist - they’re not going to claim they know without a single doubt there is no God, but they’re not religious in any way and live life as if there almost definitely isn’t.

I hate labels either way. Once you say you’re one thing or another people start to assume things about your beliefs. In my mind, saying you’re atheist shouldn’t imply anything except that you’re not religious and don’t believe in God. But some people think as if it’s a religion itself.

As for the president asking citizens to pray, it’s obviously not a big deal, but it is one of the many ways religion has wrongfully ingrained itself in our government. So yeah, it’s not a big deal, but it’s not completely okay either.

Words have definitions.

Good thing I don’t get my sneakers from Nike.

a·the·ism
ˈāTHēˌizəm/Submit
noun
noun: atheism
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
synonyms: nonbelief, disbelief, unbelief, irreligion, skepticism, doubt, agnosticism; nihilism

ag·nos·tic
aɡˈnästik/Submit
noun
plural noun: agnostics
a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.
synonyms: skeptic, doubter, doubting Thomas, cynic; More

Interesting, I did not know that.

I thought you were leaving?

moviefreakedmind said:

Handman said:
I don’t see why nonreligious people can’t simply ignore it.

Because I shouldn’t have to.

Oh good grief.

My president isn’t a priest.

Asking for prayer doesn’t make one a priest.

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

This issue only first bugged me when George Bush (Jr.) kept saying “we have to pray”. Every time something happened, those seemed to always be his words - “we have to pray”. Well, I’m not religious, and it just kinda bugged me that the president of a democratic country ostensibly with separation of church and state seemed so intent on having me pray.

Even though we have separation of church and state, the President is still an American Citizen and the Bill of Right apply to him just as they do with other citizens. He has freedom of religion and speech. This means he can be a Christian and pray and can say that he thinks others should pray as well.

I know he has that right. But it doesn’t seem appropriate to me to use this particular office as a pulpit. It’s not part of the job description - quite the contrary. That’s kinda what separation of church and state means.

I don’t think separation of church and state means that it is inappropriate for the President to ask people to pray

I think that’s exactly what it means,

No, it means he can’t force people to pray, it doesn’t mean he can’t ask.

No, but it’s certainly inappropriate in my view, specifically because of the concept of separation of church and state.

I guess we have a different opinion on what separation of church and state. I don’t think it means the President can’t ask for prayer.

No, it doesn’t mean he can’t, but the fact that such a separation exists means the President should respect that he’s a representative of the government and not a private citizen while he’s in office and as such, probably shouldn’t be asking people to pray.

I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree.

What if he’s a muslim or buddhist or hindu or some other shit that you don’t believe in? Presumably you wouldn’t want those calls to prayer. I really hate it when I of all people have to be the one urging people to be empathetic.

While I wouldn’t pray to the Gods of those religions, I think I’d be ok with Presidents of those religions asking for prayer.

Collipso said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I’m sure if I were President and asked everyone to partake in satanic rituals for the victims then Warbler would be okay with that. He is principled and consistent after all.

but I really don’t want a satanist to be my President, so I wouldn’t vote for such.

case in point, this shouldn’t matter in the slightest.

I am allowed to use whatever criteria I want in deciding how I vote.

ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

This issue only first bugged me when George Bush (Jr.) kept saying “we have to pray”. Every time something happened, those seemed to always be his words - “we have to pray”. Well, I’m not religious, and it just kinda bugged me that the president of a democratic country ostensibly with separation of church and state seemed so intent on having me pray.

Even though we have separation of church and state, the President is still an American Citizen and the Bill of Right apply to him just as they do with other citizens. He has freedom of religion and speech. This means he can be a Christian and pray and can say that he thinks others should pray as well.

I know he has that right. But it doesn’t seem appropriate to me to use this particular office as a pulpit. It’s not part of the job description - quite the contrary. That’s kinda what separation of church and state means.

I don’t think separation of church and state means that it is inappropriate for the President to ask people to pray

I think that’s exactly what it means,

No, it means he can’t force people to pray, it doesn’t mean he can’t ask.

No, but it’s certainly inappropriate in my view, specifically because of the concept of separation of church and state.

I guess we have a different opinion on what separation of church and state. I don’t think it means the President can’t ask for prayer.

No, it doesn’t mean he can’t, but the fact that such a separation exists means the President should respect that he’s a representative of the government and not a private citizen while he’s in office and as such, probably shouldn’t be asking people to pray.

I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree.

indeed! enjoy.