Ah, ok then. You can call white people thugs all you want.

Councilman Carl Stokes is a moron. Calling someone a thug nowhere near the same as calling them the n-word.

If saying that is lecturing black people and policing the opinions of black people, I don’t give a damn.

One is a racial slur, the other is not.

If I decided all on my own to illegally tear a statue of Malcom X, because I didn’t some of the things he said about white people, what would you call me? Would it be wrong to call me thug? If I don’t own the statue and the lang it is on, I don’t have the right to remove the statue myself.

DominicCobb said:

vandalized and tore down was just of a nondescript soldier, not even standing in a glorified position and it was dedicated to the war dead.

There are other ways to memorialize the dead. I’d definitely argue that statue was a glorification.

even though he said the soldier was not standing a in a glorified position?

I will say this, I don’t people should just take it upon themselves to tear down a statue, do it the legal way. Do it via the appropriate government entity. And yes, it might not be inaccurate to say that those that illegally tear down statues are thugs.

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Most statues are not nuanced. The other reasons for the war don’t really come into play in a non-nuanced world, it’s the main one that rings loudest: slavery, and we can’t glorify that.

Maybe the world needs to be more nuanced. Maybe the other reasons for the war need to be better understood.

There is nuance in nuance. Obviously nuance is important, but as a said a statue is not a nuanced object. It is a symbol, and for many people when they see it they don’t see a million things, they see only one.

Maybe better education on the Civil War and its other causes could help here.

Of course it’s important to understand all the reasons as an educated citizen, but the truth is most of those reasons have little to do with the effects the war still has today

None the less, those reasons need to be considered in the the decision to remove the statues.

(beyond being a common, phony excuse and dog whistle).

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Build a memorial if you want. But the statues as they exist are misguided.

Which statues? What about the ones for the pows I mentioned and the battlefield markers?

Again, nuance. If a statue depicts a glorification, it should go. If it symbolizes something else, maybe not.

unfortunately, some of the statues at Gettysburg do probably depict glorification. Still if you try to remove them, you will probably get a fight from battle field historians.

SilverWook said:

Something like this probably should be left alone, as it was a memorial marker in a cemetery.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-hollywood-forever-monument-20170815-story.html

I agree.

CatBus said:

Regarding where to draw the line on statues: generally speaking a very easy line to draw is “Was the statue erected during a period of domestic terror as a means of further intimidating the citizens targeted by that terrorism?” T

So now we are comparing General Lee to Bin Laden?

DominicCobb said:

Most statues are not nuanced. The other reasons for the war don’t really come into play in a non-nuanced world, it’s the main one that rings loudest: slavery, and we can’t glorify that.

Maybe the world needs to be more nuanced. Maybe the other reasons for the war need to be better understood.

Build a memorial if you want. But the statues as they exist are misguided.

Which statues? What about the ones for the pows I mentioned and the battlefield markers?

yhwx said:

Sometimes you have to do the right thing even if it’s suicide politically.

Sometimes, yes. But is political suicide the right thing to do, if it means 4 more years of Trump?

yhwx said:

I mostly agreed with this assessment:

https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/08/19/tina-fey

Tina Fey’s segment on SNL’s Weekend Update this week was so good I’ve watched it three times already. It’s just amazing.

Yet, remarkably, it has drawn criticism from people on the left. Exhibits A, B, and C. If you’re claiming to be offended by Tina Fey’s segment this week, you’re either utterly humorless or willfully obtuse, and either way, you are part of the problem. The only people to be offended by this week are fucking Nazis, and Tina Fey just skewered them.

I remember being a kid learning that Jonathan Swift’s A Modest Proposal was controversial in its time, because some sanctimonious shitheads thought Swift literally wanted people to eat Irish children. I just couldn’t believe there were people who were incapable of understanding satire. But here we are today, with people thinking Tina Fey literally wants us to stay home and eat cake. If that’s what you think, let me break it to you: your heart might be in the right place, but you’re an idiot.

but I do know that the it’s just a joke response is very problematic.

How dare you lecture black people that they shouldn’t be offended by Tina Fey’s skit. You’re white and privileged. Don’t police black people’s opinions about Tina Fey’s skit.

I would like to do more in depth research before concluding that the all the Confederacy was about, was slavery and racism. My gut is telling me it is a bit more complicated and nuanced than that. But, I could be wrong.

Btw, there is a Confederate monument in NJ. It marks the place where a lot of Confederate Pows died and were buried. They died of diseases and such, probably because the North didn’t take all that good care of them. It is monument the the men that died and there and I guess acts as their grave marker. Their identities are unknown. I don’t think it was put there show black people that the whites were still in control. Does it need to be removed?

What about confederate flags and stuff at cemeteries where confederate soldiers are buried?

What about all the markers at Gettysburg that mark were all the various soldiers of both sides were? Do the Confederate ones need to come down?

SilverWook said:

They Live sunglasses version. 😉

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resist?

SilverWook said:

Is that gif from Rocky III?

And you have to include the last T in Thank You. Sorry about that.

Nope, Its from Rocky IV.

Handman said:

Warbler said:

resis?

Missing one.

He said first letter of each paragraph, I have included them all.

SilverWook said:

resis?

SilverWook said:

Generalfrevious and thejediknightusezni,

Shape up or ship out. There will be NO FURTHER WARNINGS. If you can’t moderate your own behavior, you WILL BE BANNED. Whether or not it’s permanent will be up to Jay.

Now stop stinking up the joint.

Lets hope this works.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

Hope she didn’t make herself sick eating so much cake. Also grill cheese sandwiches and cake don’t go together.

I am just sick and tired of this crap. Any other forum would gotten rid of frevious a long time ago and everyone here knows it. There is not one good reason to keep him around. None. When I ask why he is not banned, I am ignored and my question goes unanswered and I am tired of that. Either ban him or explain to me why not.

thanks, it is just on days like this, it is constantly in the back of my mind.

It was a year ago today that my father fell in the kitchen, that eventually led to his death. 😦

generalfrevious said:

moviefreakedmind said:

generalfrevious said:

moviefreakedmind said:

generalfrevious said:

Possessed said:

Well that’s poking enough don’t you think Duracell?

I’m within my bounds here; what I say is valid in light of Presidrnt Trump and Charlottesville.

No you’re not. Go to hell.

White privilege in action.

You’re not in your bounds. You constantly disregard the rules of the forum and the OP’s ban on doomsaying. I’m sick of your filthy attempts at gaining attention, which I realize I’m giving to you now but I can’t resist because your posts are so sickening. And by the way, “Presidrnt” isn’t a fucking word.

We do not live in normal times. The truth right now is sickening. Do you even fucking know what happened last week?!? White supremacists control this country. THAT IS A FACT. President trump is becoming more authoritarian and more unhinged on an hourly basis now. Of the forty-four previous administrations, WE HAVE NEVER SEEN ANTHING THIS TERRIBLE come from our president. Instead of trying to shut me up, tell how I’m wrong according to your delusional mind.

WOULD THE MODS PLEASE BAN THIS FUCKING ASSHOLE‽‽‽‽

If he is not banned, I am very tempted to break a few rules of this place and cause quite a disturbance in protest!