Warbler

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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

I guess the only way to fix this is to give the NAACP all the rights to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary and then they can “correct” all the definition of words therein.

Also not how anything works.

It sure seems like certain black people think only black people can define what words mean.

TV’s Frink said:

Holy shit dude.

Beat me to it.

well, do I get decide to define color blind, as treating people equally without regard to the color of their skin? Nope.

Do I get to decide that thug doesn’t mean anything racially? nope.

Do I get to decide that a white homeless guy isn’t privileged? nope.

But black people can decide the opposite. That seems to be the way thing work.

White privilege.

take white privilege and shove it up your ass

I am honestly sick and tired of this shit from you. It seems to be your “go to” for everything in these racial discussions.

It’s only my go to because you keep displaying it.

whatever.

Why do you care so much that you aren’t allowed to say certain words because you’re white?

Because I think it is ridiculous and what we are doing to so words.

Because you’re white, you can’t say the n-word.

You know I have absolutely no problem with that.

Meanwhile, because other people are black, they can’t assume they won’t get pulled over by the police because they are black. That’s the very definition of white privilege.

I am sorry if that happening to anyone.

But tell me often do you think a cop real knows the race of the person he pulls over, before he pulls them over? Remember the cop has to see the driver through the sometimes tinted windows of a moving car(unless the windows are down or we are talking about a convertible). Sometimes this would need to be done at night.

The worst thing you have to deal with because you are white is not getting to decide what “thug” means. Get over it.

get over yourself. I’ve had it with you. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Even within the contexts where it may carry a racial connotation, I don’t think it’s on par with the n-word. There is no unspoken rule that ‘thug’ shouldn’t be used negatively.

all I was saying is that the term has come to have some racial connotations,

how? why? who decides this?

This was already explained. I give up, since I’m not convinced that you aren’t intentionally missing the point.

I assure you, that is not case at all. Until today I had never of any racial connotations with the word thug(unless you are talking about it in a situation where a white person is calling a black person a thug, only because the person is black). I have seen many times the word thug used to describe a white guy.

I don’t think that ‘thug’ has racial connotations in all contexts, but I think it definitely does in some.

what contexts does it have racial connotations?

Look, Warbler, we can’t give you a whole encyclopedia on what words are to be used when and what connotations those words might have. Nobody can. We have to decide on our own what a person means using this thing called context. People know that this:

Glass is typically a transparent material.

means a different thing than this:

We should have more transparency and accountability in our government.

due to the context in the sentence. I think you learn this in school.

Also, I’m not sure why you seem so fixed on the issue of what the word “thug” means.

I trying to learn what I obviously don’t know about the word.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Warbler said:
well, do I get decide to define color blind, as treating people equally without regard to the color of their skin? Nope.

Wow, after all my best efforts of careful, specific explanation, you still don’t get it at all. What a total waste of my time.

sorry. But I do think I learned a few things from your efforts. They were not a total waste of your time.

TV’s Frink said:

I think he mean heal, not heel.

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Councilman Carl Stokes is a moron. Calling someone a thug nowhere near the same as calling them the n-word.

If saying that is lecturing black people and policing the opinions of black people, I don’t give a damn.

One is a racial slur, the other is not.

“Thug” can have racial connotations and can be used as a slur, whether you give a damn or not.

how does thug have a racial connotation?

http://www.npr.org/2015/04/30/403362626/the-racially-charged-meaning-behind-the-word-thug

ok, I am totally confused.

This isn’t exactly what the article says, this is just my own interpretation of it. Hopefully it help, or maybe it won’t.

Around the late 80s and early 90s, with the rise of gangster rap, the word ‘thug’ was “co-opted” by the black community, much like the n-word was years before. It took on a more positive connotation in the black community, with rappers such as 2Pac espousing the glories of living the ‘thug life’. The word ‘thug’ became linked with blackness. It’s almost the opposite of what happened with the n-word. The n-word was originally a slur against black people, but it was taken and molded into a term of endearment within the black community. ‘Thug’ had nothing to do with black people, but it too was taken and turned into something positive, something ‘black’, so much so that now when it’s used negatively, with it’s original definition in mind, the connotation of having to do with the black community remains.

Councilman Carl Stokes sure didn’t seem to acting like Obama and company were using thug in a positive light. The fact that black people might us it in a positive light, doesn’t show me how it is that when white people are using it, they mean the n-word.

Obama was not using the term in a positive light, that’s the point, that’s why Stokes had a problem with it.

So wait, Stokes thinks Obama shouldn’t use in a negative way, because Obama is black???

You’re colossally missing the point.

I think the point colossally confuses me.

I’m legitimately not sure what part of it does.

every part of it.

Are black person suppose to only use it positively? Does it mean the n-word when white people use it? When a black person uses it negatively has he/she broken some rule??

I don’t get it.

No to all 3. Black people aren’t “supposed” to do anything, nobody is.

Then why was Councilman Carl Stokes upset by Obama and company’s negative use of the word?

Even within the contexts where it may carry a racial connotation, I don’t think it’s on par with the n-word. There is no unspoken rule that ‘thug’ shouldn’t be used negatively.

all I was saying is that the term has come to have some racial connotations,

how? why? who decides this?

This was already explained. I give up, since I’m not convinced that you aren’t intentionally missing the point.

I assure you, that is not case at all. Until today I had never of any racial connotations with the word thug(unless you are talking about it in a situation where a white person is calling a black person a thug, only because the person is black). I have seen many times the word thug used to describe a white guy.

I don’t think that ‘thug’ has racial connotations in all contexts, but I think it definitely does in some.

what contexts does it have racial connotations?

Sorry but that is the way I feel.

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Councilman Carl Stokes is a moron. Calling someone a thug nowhere near the same as calling them the n-word.

If saying that is lecturing black people and policing the opinions of black people, I don’t give a damn.

One is a racial slur, the other is not.

“Thug” can have racial connotations and can be used as a slur, whether you give a damn or not.

how does thug have a racial connotation?

http://www.npr.org/2015/04/30/403362626/the-racially-charged-meaning-behind-the-word-thug

ok, I am totally confused.

This isn’t exactly what the article says, this is just my own interpretation of it. Hopefully it help, or maybe it won’t.

Around the late 80s and early 90s, with the rise of gangster rap, the word ‘thug’ was “co-opted” by the black community, much like the n-word was years before. It took on a more positive connotation in the black community, with rappers such as 2Pac espousing the glories of living the ‘thug life’. The word ‘thug’ became linked with blackness. It’s almost the opposite of what happened with the n-word. The n-word was originally a slur against black people, but it was taken and molded into a term of endearment within the black community. ‘Thug’ had nothing to do with black people, but it too was taken and turned into something positive, something ‘black’, so much so that now when it’s used negatively, with it’s original definition in mind, the connotation of having to do with the black community remains.

Councilman Carl Stokes sure didn’t seem to acting like Obama and company were using thug in a positive light. The fact that black people might us it in a positive light, doesn’t show me how it is that when white people are using it, they mean the n-word.

Obama was not using the term in a positive light, that’s the point, that’s why Stokes had a problem with it.

So wait, Stokes thinks Obama shouldn’t use in a negative way, because Obama is black???

You’re colossally missing the point.

I think the point colossally confuses me.

I’m legitimately not sure what part of it does.

every part of it.

Are black person suppose to only use it positively? Does it mean the n-word when white people use it? When a black person uses it negatively has he/she broken some rule??

I don’t get it.

all I was saying is that the term has come to have some racial connotations,

how? why? who decides this?

This was already explained. I give up, since I’m not convinced that you aren’t intentionally missing the point.

I assure you, that is not case at all. Until today I had never of any racial connotations with the word thug(unless you are talking about it in a situation where a white person is calling a black person a thug, only because the person is black). I have seen many times the word thug used to describe a white guy.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

I guess the only way to fix this is to give the NAACP all the rights to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary and then they can “correct” all the definition of words therein.

Also not how anything works.

It sure seems like certain black people think only black people can define what words mean.

TV’s Frink said:

Holy shit dude.

Beat me to it.

well, do I get decide to define color blind, as treating people equally without regard to the color of their skin? Nope.

Do I get to decide that thug doesn’t mean anything racially? nope.

Do I get to decide that a white homeless guy isn’t privileged? nope.

But black people can decide the opposite. That seems to be the way thing work.

White privilege.

take white privilege and shove it up your ass

I am honestly sick and tired of this shit from you. It seems to be your “go to” for everything in these racial discussions.

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Councilman Carl Stokes is a moron. Calling someone a thug nowhere near the same as calling them the n-word.

If saying that is lecturing black people and policing the opinions of black people, I don’t give a damn.

One is a racial slur, the other is not.

“Thug” can have racial connotations and can be used as a slur, whether you give a damn or not.

how does thug have a racial connotation?

http://www.npr.org/2015/04/30/403362626/the-racially-charged-meaning-behind-the-word-thug

ok, I am totally confused.

This isn’t exactly what the article says, this is just my own interpretation of it. Hopefully it help, or maybe it won’t.

Around the late 80s and early 90s, with the rise of gangster rap, the word ‘thug’ was “co-opted” by the black community, much like the n-word was years before. It took on a more positive connotation in the black community, with rappers such as 2Pac espousing the glories of living the ‘thug life’. The word ‘thug’ became linked with blackness. It’s almost the opposite of what happened with the n-word. The n-word was originally a slur against black people, but it was taken and molded into a term of endearment within the black community. ‘Thug’ had nothing to do with black people, but it too was taken and turned into something positive, something ‘black’, so much so that now when it’s used negatively, with it’s original definition in mind, the connotation of having to do with the black community remains.

Councilman Carl Stokes sure didn’t seem to acting like Obama and company were using thug in a positive light. The fact that black people might us it in a positive light, doesn’t show me how it is that when white people are using it, they mean the n-word.

Obama was not using the term in a positive light, that’s the point, that’s why Stokes had a problem with it.

So wait, Stokes thinks Obama shouldn’t use in a negative way, because Obama is black???

You’re colossally missing the point.

I think the point colossally confuses me.

all I was saying is that the term has come to have some racial connotations,

how? why? who decides this?

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

I guess the only way to fix this is to give the NAACP all the rights to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary and then they can “correct” all the definition of words therein.

Also not how anything works.

It sure seems like certain black people think only black people can define what words mean.

TV’s Frink said:

Holy shit dude.

Beat me to it.

well, do I get decide to define color blind, as treating people equally without regard to the color of their skin? Nope.

Do I get to decide that thug doesn’t mean anything racially? nope.

Do I get to decide that a white homeless guy isn’t privileged? nope.

But black people can decide the opposite. That seems to be the way thing work.

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Councilman Carl Stokes is a moron. Calling someone a thug nowhere near the same as calling them the n-word.

If saying that is lecturing black people and policing the opinions of black people, I don’t give a damn.

One is a racial slur, the other is not.

“Thug” can have racial connotations and can be used as a slur, whether you give a damn or not.

how does thug have a racial connotation?

http://www.npr.org/2015/04/30/403362626/the-racially-charged-meaning-behind-the-word-thug

ok, I am totally confused.

This isn’t exactly what the article says, this is just my own interpretation of it. Hopefully it help, or maybe it won’t.

Around the late 80s and early 90s, with the rise of gangster rap, the word ‘thug’ was “co-opted” by the black community, much like the n-word was years before. It took on a more positive connotation in the black community, with rappers such as 2Pac espousing the glories of living the ‘thug life’. The word ‘thug’ became linked with blackness. It’s almost the opposite of what happened with the n-word. The n-word was originally a slur against black people, but it was taken and molded into a term of endearment within the black community. ‘Thug’ had nothing to do with black people, but it too was taken and turned into something positive, something ‘black’, so much so that now when it’s used negatively, with it’s original definition in mind, the connotation of having to do with the black community remains.

Councilman Carl Stokes sure didn’t seem to acting like Obama and company were using thug in a positive light. The fact that black people might us it in a positive light, doesn’t show me how it is that when white people are using it, they mean the n-word.

Obama was not using the term in a positive light, that’s the point, that’s why Stokes had a problem with it.

So wait, Stokes thinks Obama shouldn’t use in a negative way, because Obama is black???

Stokes was exaggerating to make the point that the term has become associated with black people, whether we like it or not.

I associate it with criminals and rioters, not black people. It can also be associated with gangsters.

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Councilman Carl Stokes is a moron. Calling someone a thug nowhere near the same as calling them the n-word.

If saying that is lecturing black people and policing the opinions of black people, I don’t give a damn.

One is a racial slur, the other is not.

“Thug” can have racial connotations and can be used as a slur, whether you give a damn or not.

how does thug have a racial connotation?

http://www.npr.org/2015/04/30/403362626/the-racially-charged-meaning-behind-the-word-thug

ok, I am totally confused.

This isn’t exactly what the article says, this is just my own interpretation of it. Hopefully it help, or maybe it won’t.

Around the late 80s and early 90s, with the rise of gangster rap, the word ‘thug’ was “co-opted” by the black community, much like the n-word was years before. It took on a more positive connotation in the black community, with rappers such as 2Pac espousing the glories of living the ‘thug life’. The word ‘thug’ became linked with blackness. It’s almost the opposite of what happened with the n-word. The n-word was originally a slur against black people, but it was taken and molded into a term of endearment within the black community. ‘Thug’ had nothing to do with black people, but it too was taken and turned into something positive, something ‘black’, so much so that now when it’s used negatively, with it’s original definition in mind, the connotation of having to do with the black community remains.

Councilman Carl Stokes sure didn’t seem to acting like Obama and company were using thug in a positive light. The fact that black people might us it in a positive light, doesn’t show me how it is that when white people are using it, they mean the n-word.

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

I guess the only way to fix this is to give the NAACP all the rights to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary and then they can “correct” all the definition of words therein.

Also not how anything works.

It sure seems like certain black people think only black people can define what words mean.

TV’s Frink said:

Holy shit dude.

You have to have power to be racist

thug = n-word

homeless white people are privileged

colorblind means totally ignoring all history of slavery and racism.

the definitions of words change depending upon the race of the user of said word.

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

I will say this, I don’t people should just take it upon themselves to tear down a statue, do it the legal way. Do it via the appropriate government entity. And yes, it might not be inaccurate to say that those that illegally tear down statues are thugs.

Some things that are illegal aren’t really wrong at all.

So it is ok for me to go around and tear down any statue I think it wrong to have? No. it is not. Why? Because I don’t own the statue. You can argue that statue that belongs to the country, is owned by all of us, it is not owned by me alone. Therefore I don’t get to decide its fate alone.

If you want to remove the Civil War statues the right way, go through the appropriate legal entities.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

I guess the only way to fix this is to give the NAACP all the rights to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary and then they can “correct” all the definitions of words therein.

Holy shit dude.

Sorry, but that is the way it seems to me.

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

I guess the only way to fix this is to give the NAACP all the rights to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary and then they can “correct” all the definition of words therein.

Also not how anything works.

It sure seems like certain black people think only black people can define what words mean.

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thug

That’s denotation, not connotation.

Warb lives in an extremely literal world.

sorry. but maybe if we all did, there would be less misunderstanding.

That’s not how anything works.

if you say so.

I guess the only way to fix this is to give the NAACP all the rights to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary and then they can “correct” all the definitions of words therein.

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Councilman Carl Stokes is a moron. Calling someone a thug nowhere near the same as calling them the n-word.

If saying that is lecturing black people and policing the opinions of black people, I don’t give a damn.

One is a racial slur, the other is not.

“Thug” can have racial connotations and can be used as a slur, whether you give a damn or not.

how does thug have a racial connotation?

http://www.npr.org/2015/04/30/403362626/the-racially-charged-meaning-behind-the-word-thug

ok, I am totally confused.

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thug

That’s denotation, not connotation.

Warb lives in an extremely literal world.

sorry. but maybe if we all did, there would be less misunderstandings.

deleted.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thug

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Councilman Carl Stokes is a moron. Calling someone a thug nowhere near the same as calling them the n-word.

If saying that is lecturing black people and policing the opinions of black people, I don’t give a damn.

One is a racial slur, the other is not.

“Thug” can have racial connotations and can be used as a slur, whether you give a damn or not.

how does thug have a racial connotation?