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NFL players aren’t protesting the anthem, they’re protesting police brutality. That’s like saying hunger strikes are against food #TakeAKnee
Please read past the first 6 words this time.
It doesn’t change my opinion.
We have truly reached a low point in our society.
Yes, I agree - the president has publicly called citizens peacefully protesting “sons of bitches.” Despicable.
Citizens peacefully protesting:
Would it be wrong for the President to call them “sons of bitches”?
The only comparison you could make that’s more absurd would be to bring up actual Nazis.
“Hey, Nazis were upset with the state of Germany, these football players are upset with the state of America… you think that’s a coincidence?”
I don’t know why you would bring up the Nazis here. They were definitely not peacefully protesters.
To be honest Warbler, some may be struggling as to why you brought up the Westboro Baptists into this right now - unless you are trying to equate the protests of Westboro Baptists to the protests that occurred today?
I guess you missed this:
I was simply trying to show that some peaceful protests are bad. I think we agree that I picked a good example of a bad peaceful protest.
I have every right to be of the opinion that the peaceful protest of the National Anthem is a bad peaceful protest(but nowhere near as bad as what the Westboro Baptists did).
No mate, I didn’t miss you bringing up the Westboro Baptists into this, nor what you later wrote at all.
Well then you should know why I mentioned them and that I don’t consider the anthem protesters anywhere near as bad as the Westboro Baptists.
You wrote ‘Citizens peacefully protesting:’ followed by a picture of the Westboro Baptist Church, yes?
yes, after someone complained about the President insulting “peacefully protesting Citizens”
Only 4 posts later did you give an explanation on why you posted it
Yes, 4 posts late, but I did give an explanation.
- stating the Westboro Baptist Church and the players kneeling during the anthem are bad peaceful protests, (the players protests were ‘…nowhere near as bad as what the Westboro Baptists did’ protest).
Yes, that is what I said.
Here is the big difference - the Westboro Baptist Church image isn’t from a ‘peaceful protest’ at all - it is designed to enrage, provoke and give their horrible ‘beliefs’ as much publicity as it can undeservedly get.
um, yes it was a peaceful protest. They committed no acts of violence. Yes, it was designed to enrage and provoke, but it still falls under the definition of peaceful protest.
The players kneeling peaceful protest is to bring attention to a cause many in your country feel is right, and needs looking at and addressing.
by protesting the Nation Anthem and thereby enrage and provoke.
Now, if you disagree with that twitter message by Orli Matlow that was posted earlier… by all means you say why - but DON’T post an inflammatory picture in response.
What are talking about? What twitter message? Who is Orli Matlow?
In any event, here is the reason I brought them up:
Someone had complained about the President calling peacefully protesting citizens “sons of bitches”. Apparently, is wrong for the President to describe peacefully protesting citizens as “sons of bitches”. So, I brought up and example of peacefully protesting citizens that no one would have any problem with the President referring to them as “sons of bitches”. I did it to show that whether you think it is wrong to describe peacefully protesting citizens that way depends upon you opinion of the protest. I also did it to clearly demonstrate that just because a protest is peaceful, doesn’t mean it is a good protest.
If you’re going to post a picture of the Westboro Baptist Church DON’T make 4 further posts before you give an explanation as to why you are posting that inflammatory picture.
oh go sit on a tack. 4 posts down or not, I made clear why I posted the pic, and you continue to ignore what I said and continue to ignore that I clearly said the Anthem protesters are not anywhere near as bad as the West Boro Baptists. You also ignore in post where I posted the pic, I also said this right under it:
Would it be wrong for the President to call them “sons of bitches”?
It should be obvious from that what I think of the West Boro Baptists.
And if you posting ‘I’m done caring what anyone here thinks’ in the midst of that - is actually what you think - then I would suggest you step away from the computer for a few minutes, and think how that may come across to the other users in this thread.
Now, I don’t think I’ve missed anything, have I?
Well excuse me for being piss off at what is going on in my country right and what is going on in this thread. Apparently it is no longer go enough that I agree that the protesters have every right to do what they are doing, I must now do what I consider betraying my Country, and agree with what they are doing or I am a clueless dumb narrow minded idiot and probably a bigot. Well sorry but this pisses me off. What was once a moment set aside for reflection and honoring the Country and what it stands for has now turned into a time for political statements. Now instead of instead of removing our hats and giving the proper salute and standing at attention and remaining silent, we now have to look around and see who is protesting. It pisses me off, it angers me, it frustrates me, it offends me, and en-fucking-rages me.
Warbler, is there any level of protest you would accept during the playing of the national anthem?
No. It is not a time for protest.
Says who?
says me. The Anthem is a time for reflection and honoring the country and what it stands for.
That’s what it is for you. You’ve chosen to make it that.
And so has every other American until last year!
Uh, no. Not every American was on your side until they suddenly weren’t last year.
Well just about every other American, until this fad began.
We have truly reached a low point in our society.
Yes, I agree - the president has publicly called citizens peacefully protesting “sons of bitches.” Despicable.
Citizens peacefully protesting:
Would it be wrong for the President to call them “sons of bitches”?
The only comparison you could make that’s more absurd would be to bring up actual Nazis.
“Hey, Nazis were upset with the state of Germany, these football players are upset with the state of America… you think that’s a coincidence?”
I don’t know why you would bring up the Nazis here. They were definitely not peacefully protesters.
To be honest Warbler, some may be struggling as to why you brought up the Westboro Baptists into this right now - unless you are trying to equate the protests of Westboro Baptists to the protests that occurred today?
I guess you missed this:
I was simply trying to show that some peaceful protests are bad. I think we agree that I picked a good example of a bad peaceful protest.
I have every right to be of the opinion that the peaceful protest of the National Anthem is a bad peaceful protest(but nowhere near as bad as what the Westboro Baptists did).
Now, Puggo has made a decent point here…
I notice that in some cases, players kneeling still remove their hat and/or hold their hand over their heart. Still nobody has been able to explain how kneeling is a sign of disrespect.
For me, kneeling in this manner honours both the anthem and what it symbolises - yet is still an effective form of protest.
It is obvious in this case, the intent is protest.
That doesn’t make any sense.
The intent is to protest police brutality and racism.
by protesting the Anthem.
You’re still dodging Puggo’s question.
I don’t think I am. It is clear they are not taking a knee to show respect, they are doing it to protest.
I give up. You’re clearly incapable of answering the actual question that was asked.
I think I have answered it effectively.
Holy shit Warb.
I was simply trying to show that some peaceful protests are bad. I think we agree that I picked a good example of a bad peaceful protest.
I have every right to be of the opinion that the peaceful protest of the National Anthem is a bad peaceful protest(but nowhere near as bad as what the Westboro Baptists did).
Pissing all over symbols and representations of what young men bled and died for directly in front of veterans who are just trying to enjoy a ball game
Wrong.
I hate to break it to you Warbler, but this guy is on your side.
Did you miss the post where I told him to shut up and go way? Also if you read his post, you’d know we disagree as to how bad it is to protest the Anthem.
He seems to think protesting during the anthem is a terrible thing, so he’s certainly more on your side than mine.
perhaps. But I don’t want him anywhere near my side. Same with Trump.
Warbler, is there any level of protest you would accept during the playing of the national anthem?
No. It is not a time for protest.
Says who?
says me. The Anthem is a time for reflection and honoring the country and what it stands for.
That’s what it is for you. You’ve chosen to make it that.
I just know that protesting the Anthem is wrong.
They aren’t doing that. Why can’t you understand this?
Yes they are, why can’t you understand that?
It is unAmerican.
Actually it’s the opposite.
Actually it isn’t the opposite.
Holy shit Warb.
I was simply trying to show that some peaceful protests are bad. I think we agree that I picked a good example of a bad peaceful protest.
I have every right to be of the opinion that the peaceful protest of the National Anthem is a bad peaceful protest(but nowhere near as bad as what the Westboro Baptists did).
Pissing all over symbols and representations of what young men bled and died for directly in front of veterans who are just trying to enjoy a ball game
Wrong.
I hate to break it to you Warbler, but this guy is on your side.
Did you miss the post where I told him to shut up and go way? Also if you read his post, you’d know we disagree as to how bad it is to protest the Anthem.
We have truly reached a low point in our society.
Yes, I agree - the president has publicly called citizens peacefully protesting “sons of bitches.” Despicable.
Citizens peacefully protesting:
Would it be wrong for the President to call them “sons of bitches”?
The only comparison you could make that’s more absurd would be to bring up actual Nazis.
“Hey, Nazis were upset with the state of Germany, these football players are upset with the state of America… you think that’s a coincidence?”
I don’t know why you would bring up the Nazis here. They were definitely not peacefully protesters.
To be honest Warbler, some may be struggling as to why you brought up the Westboro Baptists into this right now - unless you are trying to equate the protests of Westboro Baptists to the protests that occurred today?
I guess you missed this:
I was simply trying to show that some peaceful protests are bad. I think we agree that I picked a good example of a bad peaceful protest.
I have every right to be of the opinion that the peaceful protest of the National Anthem is a bad peaceful protest(but nowhere near as bad as what the Westboro Baptists did).
Now, Puggo has made a decent point here…
I notice that in some cases, players kneeling still remove their hat and/or hold their hand over their heart. Still nobody has been able to explain how kneeling is a sign of disrespect.
For me, kneeling in this manner honours both the anthem and what it symbolises - yet is still an effective form of protest.
It is obvious in this case, the intent is protest.
That doesn’t make any sense.
The intent is to protest police brutality and racism.
by protesting the Anthem.
You’re still dodging Puggo’s question.
I don’t think I am. It is clear they are not taking a knee to show respect, they are doing it to protest.
Warbler, is there any level of protest you would accept during the playing of the national anthem?
No. It is not a time for protest.
Says who?
says me. The Anthem is a time for reflection and honoring the country and what it stands for.
Why do you get to make the rules for protest?
I don’t get to make the rules. I just know that protesting the Anthem is wrong. It is unAmerican.
We have truly reached a low point in our society.
Yes, I agree - the president has publicly called citizens peacefully protesting “sons of bitches.” Despicable.
Citizens peacefully protesting:
Would it be wrong for the President to call them “sons of bitches”?
The only comparison you could make that’s more absurd would be to bring up actual Nazis.
“Hey, Nazis were upset with the state of Germany, these football players are upset with the state of America… you think that’s a coincidence?”
I don’t know why you would bring up the Nazis here. They were definitely not peacefully protesters.
To be honest Warbler, some may be struggling as to why you brought up the Westboro Baptists into this right now - unless you are trying to equate the protests of Westboro Baptists to the protests that occurred today?
I guess you missed this:
I was simply trying to show that some peaceful protests are bad. I think we agree that I picked a good example of a bad peaceful protest.
I have every right to be of the opinion that the peaceful protest of the National Anthem is a bad peaceful protest(but nowhere near as bad as what the Westboro Baptists did).
Now, Puggo has made a decent point here…
I notice that in some cases, players kneeling still remove their hat and/or hold their hand over their heart. Still nobody has been able to explain how kneeling is a sign of disrespect.
For me, kneeling in this manner honours both the anthem and what it symbolises - yet is still an effective form of protest.
It is obvious in this case, the intent is protest.
That doesn’t make any sense.
The intent is to protest police brutality and racism.
by protesting the Anthem.
Warbler, is there any level of protest you would accept during the playing of the national anthem?
No. It is not a time for protest.
We have truly reached a low point in our society.
Yes, I agree - the president has publicly called citizens peacefully protesting “sons of bitches.” Despicable.
Citizens peacefully protesting:
Would it be wrong for the President to call them “sons of bitches”?
The only comparison you could make that’s more absurd would be to bring up actual Nazis.
“Hey, Nazis were upset with the state of Germany, these football players are upset with the state of America… you think that’s a coincidence?”
I don’t know why you would bring up the Nazis here. They were definitely not peacefully protesters.
To be honest Warbler, some may be struggling as to why you brought up the Westboro Baptists into this right now - unless you are trying to equate the protests of Westboro Baptists to the protests that occurred today?
I guess you missed this:
I was simply trying to show that some peaceful protests are bad. I think we agree that I picked a good example of a bad peaceful protest.
I have every right to be of the opinion that the peaceful protest of the National Anthem is a bad peaceful protest(but nowhere near as bad as what the Westboro Baptists did).
No mate, I didn’t miss you bringing up the Westboro Baptists into this, nor what you later wrote at all.
Well then you should know why I mentioned them and that I don’t consider the anthem protesters anywhere near as bad as the Westboro Baptists.
Holy shit Warb.
I was simply trying to show that some peaceful protests are bad. I think we agree that I picked a good example of a bad peaceful protest.
I have every right to be of the opinion that the peaceful protest of the National Anthem is a bad peaceful protest(but nowhere near as bad as what the Westboro Baptists did).
Pissing all over symbols and representations of what young men bled and died for directly in front of veterans who are just trying to enjoy a ball game is no where near as bad?
The Westboro clowns are just paid performance artists. There’s no sincerity in what they do.
It’s all designed to divide 50/50 and infuriate every one against every one so when the internet goes down by foreseeable event or the killswitch we will have maximum culling.
Would you please shut up and go away.
We have truly reached a low point in our society.
Yes, I agree - the president has publicly called citizens peacefully protesting “sons of bitches.” Despicable.
Citizens peacefully protesting:
Would it be wrong for the President to call them “sons of bitches”?
The only comparison you could make that’s more absurd would be to bring up actual Nazis.
“Hey, Nazis were upset with the state of Germany, these football players are upset with the state of America… you think that’s a coincidence?”
I don’t know why you would bring up the Nazis here. They were definitely not peacefully protesters.
To be honest Warbler, some may be struggling as to why you brought up the Westboro Baptists into this right now - unless you are trying to equate the protests of Westboro Baptists to the protests that occurred today?
I guess you missed this:
I was simply trying to show that some peaceful protests are bad. I think we agree that I picked a good example of a bad peaceful protest.
I have every right to be of the opinion that the peaceful protest of the National Anthem is a bad peaceful protest(but nowhere near as bad as what the Westboro Baptists did).
Now, Puggo has made a decent point here…
I notice that in some cases, players kneeling still remove their hat and/or hold their hand over their heart. Still nobody has been able to explain how kneeling is a sign of disrespect.
For me, kneeling in this manner honours both the anthem and what it symbolises - yet is still an effective form of protest.
It is obvious in this case, the intent is protest.
On a slightly different tangent I would say this criticism of NFL players protesting is quite a classic case of Trump deflecting away from the purpose of the protests - the causes of them, his inaction and and unwillingness to engage on the matter at hand…
I wonder why that is, and seems to be the case on a lot of political points during his term as President thus far?
I wish he would have kept his big mouth shut about the anthem thing.
We have truly reached a low point in our society.
Yes, I agree - the president has publicly called citizens peacefully protesting “sons of bitches.” Despicable.
Citizens peacefully protesting:
Would it be wrong for the President to call them “sons of bitches”?
The only comparison you could make that’s more absurd would be to bring up actual Nazis.
“Hey, Nazis were upset with the state of Germany, these football players are upset with the state of America… you think that’s a coincidence?”
I don’t know why you would bring up the Nazis here. They were definitely not peacefully protesters.
Holy shit Warb.
I was simply trying to show that some peaceful protests are bad. I think we agree that I picked a good example of a bad peaceful protest.
I have every right to be of the opinion that the peaceful protest of the National Anthem is a bad peaceful protest(but nowhere near as bad as what the Westboro Baptists did).
Extraordinariy times call for extraordinary measures.
We live in extraordinary times.
oh blow it out your ear. I don’t recall MLK ever protesting the Anthem.
An MLB player knelt yesterday.
can’t say I am surprised. The playing of the National Athem is no longer a time to reflect and honor our country, it is now a tool to make political statements.
We have truly reached a low point in our society.
Yes, I agree - the president has publicly called citizens peacefully protesting “sons of bitches.” Despicable.
Citizens peacefully protesting:
Would it be wrong for the President to call them “sons of bitches”?
The only comparison you could make that’s more absurd would be to bring up actual Nazis.
“Hey, Nazis were upset with the state of Germany, these football players are upset with the state of America… you think that’s a coincidence?”
You’re missing my point.
We have truly reached a low point in our society.
Yes, I agree - the president has publicly called citizens peacefully protesting “sons of bitches.” Despicable.
Citizens peacefully protesting:
Would it be wrong for the President to call them “sons of bitches”?
We have truly reached a low point in our society.
The fact that you think the protests are the low point says a lot.
Whatever.
double post.
We have truly reached a low point in our society.
Yes, I agree - the president has publicly called citizens peacefully protesting “sons of bitches.” Despicable.
I meant to add the following to my post:
Dear Trump,
Shut the fuck up about the Anthem situation. You are only making things worse.
Sincerely,
The Warbler
NFL players aren’t protesting the anthem,
And that’s the problem.
whatever.
I’m done caring what anyone here thinks.
