Warbler

Peter Capaldi

Well we’ll see. I gave my word that I would give the female Doctor a chance, so I will.

I’d never heard that tape before.

dahmage said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

As I said, I don’t care if it’s “official”. George Lucas would then have officially ruined Star Wars for me. But ever since I found edits that fix his mistakes, I don’t have to put up with him anymore. I don’t have to listen to Anakin whine nor Obi-Wan bicker; and I don’t have to endure CGI Sy Snoodles singing Jedi Rocks without watching Return of the Jedi in what amounts to 240p.

If you can do all that, does that mean I am allowed to pretend that in Doctor Who canon Timelords can not change gender or race?

Didn’t you get over that a month or two ago?

Just asking a question.

chyron8472 said:

As I said, I don’t care if it’s “official”. George Lucas would then have officially ruined Star Wars for me. But ever since I found edits that fix his mistakes, I don’t have to put up with him anymore. I don’t have to listen to Anakin whine nor Obi-Wan bicker; and I don’t have to endure CGI Sy Snoodles singing Jedi Rocks without watching Return of the Jedi in what amounts to 240p.

If you can do all that, does that mean I am allowed to pretend that in Doctor Who canon Timelords can not change gender or race?

I did read the last page. But the way Frink stated his post, made it look like he was saying they should get rid of the moderator sigs.

temporarily not allow what?

TV’s Frink said:

WTF

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-dead-man-toddler-gun-chase-victim-50564246

lol!

TV’s Frink said:

SilverWook said:

Ok, play nice kids.

I’m only lightly teasing Warb, and I am pretty confident his strangling comment was also light teasing.

yes.

TV’s Frink said:

That stick figure isn’t you, it’s way too flexible.

*strangles Frink*

You clearly stated your interpretation of ROTS is based on fan edits. It is clearly not official canon. My interpretation ST09 is not based on any fan edit.

TV’s Frink said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

I don’t know what to make of Trump’s comments to fallen soldier’s family. The words by themselves don’t sound bad to me… it would all be in the tone of voice, and the context (the words around those words). Since there likely isn’t an audio recording, I’m not ready to form an opinion.

I’m prepared to believe the dead solider’s mother over a confirmed pathological liar.

I agree.

DominicCobb said:

The irony of warb denying chyron’s ROTS head canon while refusing to accept the actual canon of ST09 over his head canon…

I don’t deny the canon of ST09, I just disagree with chyron’s interpretation of that the canon is.

Like I said, I give up. But don’t agree with you.

*sigh* I give up. I’m getting too dizzy.

I disagree. McCoy went back in time and altered history and thereby altered the timeline. He didn’t create a whole new one. If I went back in time and prevented the Lincoln assassination, I wouldn’t create a new timeline, I would just alter the original one.

chyron8472 said:

He created a new timeline.

Whom are you saying a created a new timeline?

chyron8472 said:

repost:

Actually, the term used was “alternate quantum realities.”

And Geordi Data had a diagram of the time continuum up on the panel when he was trying to explain Worf’s predicament. Here let me find it…

Done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzUEu7Gb7Cg

DATA: I believe the quantum fissure we discovered is a fixed point across the space time continuum. A keyhole which intersects many other quantum realities.
TROI: What do you mean, quantum realities?
DATA: For any event, there is an infinite number of possible outcomes. Our choices determine which outcomes will follow. But there is a theory in quantum physics that all possibilities that can happen, do happen in alternate quantum realities.
WORF: And somehow I have been shifting from one reality to another.

LOOK AT THAT DIAGRAM. That is what the multiverse space-time continuum looks like in Trek. They all exist. When a choice is made—when any action takes place that could have had an alternate outcome—one or more new alternate timelines diverge from that event.

Worf was going from reality to reality. Nero went back in time. Two different things.

Tell me, in “The City on the Edge of Forever” when Mccoy goes back in time and saves Edith Keeler does he simply change history or somehow create a new timelime?

chyron8472 said:

Actually, the term used was “alternate quantum realities.”

And Geordi had a diagram of the time continuum up on the panel when he was trying to explain Worf’s predicament. Here let me find it…

In Star Trek 2009, does Spock say anything about him and Nero going from one alternate quantum reality to another?

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

Work was going from universe to universe.

Don’t worry, President Trump is going to make sure work stops leaving our universe. #MOUGA

*sigh* typo fixed.

doubleofive said:

chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

doubleofive said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Star Trek and Stargate both go by the premise that “anything that can happen does happen in alternate quantum realities.” It’s just that the characters from those realities assert that their version of reality is the only one that matters (which is an actual quote from Teal’c.)

The Prime Universe does still exist. As does the universe in Yesterday’s Enterprise and the Mirror Universe. To say that Prime does not exist is to say Mirror does not exist; and the Mirror Universe’s timeline, which is wholly separate from Prime, was accessed repeatedly by Prime characters (and vice versa) during the events of Deep Space Nine, not to mention TOS and Enterprise.

Star Trek 2009 nine makes it clear that the Narada when back in time, altered history and thereby turned the prime universe into the Kelvin universe. There may be an alternate universe that is exactly the same at the prime universe, but it would only be a duplicate universe and not the prime universe. As far as I know, Discovery does not take place in an alternate universe that is a duplicate of the prime universe, it takes place in the prime universe itself.

It actually specifically makes the opposite clear. The Narada created a divergent timeline that they call “an alternate reality”. The Prime universe is still there, untouched (just without Romulus). See also: Star Trek Online, which continues in a post-Romulus Prime timeline.

No where in Star Trek 2009 does it say that the Narada went to a different universe, it just went back in time and changed history.

That’s not how time travel in Star Trek works. You should watched the TNG episode “Parallels” again. In that episode, Troi was not worried about being non-existent should Worf fix the space-time continuum; she was worried that her version of Worf, to whom she was married and had children, would not return to be with her after all was said and done.

The timelines that Worf encountered in that episode were “alternate timelines” that existed before that episode and continue to exist afterward. The Trek multiverse does not have a single line of causality in which only one version exists at any one time. I’m certain we do, here, in real life, but Star Trek is fiction. So there doesn’t have to be a real life that-doesn’t-make-sense-from-what-I-know-of-God reasoning for why Trek must have a single timeline.

Yes, “Parallels”! Perfect!

I firmly believe that events like Star Trek 4 create multiple timelines. There’s one in which the Bounty disappears and Earth is destroyed. Then there’s the one the series continues to follow, where they reappear with the whales. We just follow the timeline where the main characters happen to be at the time.

You must have watched a different movie than I did. In movie I watched, the Bounty goes back in time, gets the whales and and returns.

chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

doubleofive said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Star Trek and Stargate both go by the premise that “anything that can happen does happen in alternate quantum realities.” It’s just that the characters from those realities assert that their version of reality is the only one that matters (which is an actual quote from Teal’c.)

The Prime Universe does still exist. As does the universe in Yesterday’s Enterprise and the Mirror Universe. To say that Prime does not exist is to say Mirror does not exist; and the Mirror Universe’s timeline, which is wholly separate from Prime, was accessed repeatedly by Prime characters (and vice versa) during the events of Deep Space Nine, not to mention TOS and Enterprise.

Star Trek 2009 nine makes it clear that the Narada when back in time, altered history and thereby turned the prime universe into the Kelvin universe. There may be an alternate universe that is exactly the same at the prime universe, but it would only be a duplicate universe and not the prime universe. As far as I know, Discovery does not take place in an alternate universe that is a duplicate of the prime universe, it takes place in the prime universe itself.

It actually specifically makes the opposite clear. The Narada created a divergent timeline that they call “an alternate reality”. The Prime universe is still there, untouched (just without Romulus). See also: Star Trek Online, which continues in a post-Romulus Prime timeline.

No where in Star Trek 2009 does it say that the Narada went to a different universe, it just went back in time and changed history.

That’s not how time travel in Star Trek works. You should watch the TNG episode “Parallels” again.

You need to watch “Yesterday’s Enterprise”. In Parallels, Worf was going from one alternate universe to another. He was not time traveling. In Yesterday’s Enterprise, the Enterprise C came forward in time and altered history and changed things so the Federation and the Klingons were at war. Things stayed altered until the Enterprise C went back in time and fixed things again. Star Trek 2009 is very similar except that that the timeline doesn’t get fixed.

The timelines that Worf encountered in that episode were “alternate timelines” that existed before that episode and continue to exist afterward.

no, they were alternate universes. Worf was going from universe to universe.