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pretty sure Star Trek Online and comics are not canon.
The thing is, it just doesn’t make sense that another universe was created. How would going back in time and changing history create a whole other universe? Sorry not buying it.
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Here’s the exact exchange from Star Trek '09:
KIRK: There won’t be a next engagement. By the time we’ve gathered, it’ll be too late. But you say he’s from the future, knows what’s going to happen, then the logical thing is to be unpredictable.
SPOCK: You are assuming that Nero knows how events are predicted to unfold. To the contrary, Nero’s very presence has altered the flow of history, beginning with the attack on the USS Kelvin, culminating in the events of today, thereby creating an entire new chain of incidents that cannot be anticipated by either party.
UHURA: An alternate reality?
SPOCK: Precisely. Whatever our lives might have been, if the time continuum was disrupted, our destinies have changed. Mr. Sulu, plot a course to the Laurentian system warp factor three.
“altered the flow of history” in other words: changed history, not create a whole other universe.
That bothered me too.
No, since the purpose of that picture was not to inflame.
the purpose didn’t seem to matter before.
I don’t know what you’re talking about. Posting relevant images that include the Confederate or Nazi or whatever flags isn’t a problem.
I don’t know how you couldn’t what I am talking about.
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The established canon for the Kelvin “timeline” is that it is in fact actually an entirely different alternate reality:
That is not the way it appears in Star Trek 2009.
That is exactly how it appeared and was intended to appear.
That is not the meaning I got out of Star Trek 2009.
Why do aliens in the 24th century have to travel back in time to a different planet just to eat?
huh?
No, since the purpose of that picture was not to inflame.
the purpose didn’t seem to matter before.
NASCAR fans are really confused.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nascar/2017/08/19/confederate-flag-still-important-symbol-nascar-fans/583320001/
To some the Confederate flag is about heritage, not hate. Not saying they are right, but that is how some feel. As for the Trump flag, they’re idiots.
Btw, wouldn’t any pic of the Confederate flag be considered inflammatory?
I think being depressed kind of reveals our ignorance on the subject, because these fuckers have always been around. They didn’t crawl out from the depths of the earth last week and then commit this crime. It’s just that we’re seeing them more active these days.
Yes, I know they have always been around, I just find it depressing that we are still dealing with this in 2017. They should have stopped being around a long time ago.
I don’t really find it that depressing anymore.
You should. Why don’t you find it that depressing?
The established canon for the Kelvin “timeline” is that it is in fact actually an entirely different alternate reality:
That is not the way it appears in Star Trek 2009.
I tried to explain it before, but no one wants to listen.
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Official canon must abide by the events in the various movies and tv series’, this includes Star Trek 2009.
It is very depressing that we are still dealing with this shit so many years after MLK.
I can’t do that because of the events of Star Trek 2009.
I can’t comprehend why someone can’t just ignore the Kelvin timeline and Discovery if they don’t like it.
I wasn’t talking about the Kelvin timeline in my last post.
Moving over to this thread just in case.
Seriously, I am growing very concerned about the improvements in computers and computer intelligence. It is not out of the realm of possibility that computers will able to replace every human at every job. Imagine what it will do to the economy if humans are no long employable? What if computers do take over. I’m serious.
Universal basic income. It’s going to happen. It should happen way sooner than it’s going to though, and it’s going to carry a sigma similar to welfare for far too long after it’s implemented, too.
communism?
No, not at all. And frankly, this kind of misunderstanding frustrates me because it happens too often. Not every social program is Communism—universal healthcare isn’t Communism, free college isn’t Communism, universal basic income isn’t Communism. They may or may not be good ideas, but I wish people would argue about that rather than throwing out “sounds like Communism to me!” However, I trust that you were genuinely asking, and not just throwing the word out as a “gotcha,” so I’m going to respond.
Universal basic income, if it were implemented, would serve only as a safety net. It would be a way for the Government to say “here is a bit of money so that you can meet the basic standards of living; you’ll have food and water, and you’ll have shelter, now go do with your life what you will.” This is in no way the complete abolition of private property that Communism is. Private property still exists, and capitalism is still very much in place.
We would need more than just a safety net. We are talking about going to a society where computers and robots have taken over every job and made humans obsolete and unemployable. That video linked to in the Random thoughts thread showed that computers and robots are eventually going to take over for doctors. No occupation is safe.
sure sounds like it.
having this […] an F-bomb episode is really a step backwards rather boldly going forwards.
Indeed. Not impressed by the Discovery crew’s swearing in the latest episode. This heralds back to my previous arguments about how just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should. Why they have to say f*** and sh** just because they don’t have TV broadcast censors is beyond baffling to me. Being gratuitously vulgar is not “hip”. It does not add depth to the characters or the story. This show, while gritty, was still somewhat family friendly on a certain level. Now it is not.
Star Trek is supposed to be family friendly. I want to be able to watch Trek with my young daughter. But I sure as hell can’t watch Discovery with her now until she’s a teenager.
JEDIT: After some thought, that seals it. I’m not purchasing this stupid show when it comes out on disc. Nor am I going to pay CBS monthly for it.
the cursing also doesn’t make sense canon-wise. Star Trek IV makes clear that they don’t swear every other in the 23rd century.
Seriously, I am growing very concerned about the improvements in computers and computer intelligence. It is not out of the realm of possibility that computers will able to replace every human at every job. Imagine what it will do to the economy if humans are no long employable? What if computers do take over. I’m serious.
Universal basic income. It’s going to happen. It should happen way sooner than it’s going to though, and it’s going to carry a sigma similar to welfare for far too long after it’s implemented, too.
communism?
Thanks guys, human civilization was ok while it lasted…
Seriously, I am growing very concerned about the improvements in computers and computer intelligence. It is not out of the realm of possibility that computers will able to replace every human at every job. Imagine what it will do to the economy if humans are no long employable? What if computers do take over. I’m serious. As we become more and more dependent on computers and allow them to control more and more and artificial intelligence gets better and better, computers could potentially take control of us if they decide to.
That is exactly what I am talking about.
I think we need to slow things down and see just where we want to go with computers and limit what they control and put some limits on how far we want to go with artificial intelligence.
That’s probably impossible.
Well I hope its not. Because if we don’t slow and do something about this, at the very least we will have an economic depression that will make the great depression look like a bull market.
Thanks guys, human civilization was ok while it lasted…
Seriously, I am growing very concerned about the improvements in computers and computer intelligence. It is not out of the realm of possibility that computers will able to replace every human at every job. Imagine what it will do to the economy if humans are no long employable? What if computers do take over. I’m serious. As we become more and more dependent on computers and allow them to control more and more and artificial intelligence gets better and better, computers could potentially take control of us if they decide to. I think we need to slow things down and see just where we want to go with computers and limit what they control and put some limits on how far we want to go with artificial intelligence.
