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RogueLeader said:

I think you could keep the convo with Obi-Wan and Owen without having to keep his interaction with Reva. Did you like that as well? I just felt like it was a little convenient, and they were trying hard to make Reva look bad by cutting the woman’s hand off, but I could see why someone would want to keep all of that stuff as well.

I thought it was a nice little character moment for Owen, having to be brave in the face of being threatened. It also shows that the common people are supposed to hate Jedi and buy into the whole ideology to get by, which makes sense and drives home Palpatine’s rhetoric in ROTS. And I really like Obi Wan saying thank you and Owen saying “I didn’t do it for you.”

The specifics of Reva drawing her lightsaber on people and the inquisitors arguing with her about it, I could take or leave that stuff, but it’s a nice setup for the character interactions afterward.

The inquisitor’s speech about compassion being the Jedi’s weakness is great but it’s really insane that he’s telling the common people that, lol
“Our mutual sworn enemy is simply too good and we have to violently prey upon his kindness to you” is a very weird way to do your propaganda. But if it were just a voiceover on a scene showing the inquisitors on the move it could be neat.

Summary of what I would do if I had the time and expertise:
*Cut opening youngling sequence, too obvious and doesn’t focus enough on the main character
*Linger on Obi Wan in the desert, the NFB thing is obviously good
*Have the inquisitors on Tatooine with some minor cuts, mainly to set up Reva, the Grand Inquisitor, and the inquisitors/Jedi hunt in general, and to keep Obi Wan saying “we lost” and Owen saying “like you trained his father,” which are both great
*Cut a lot of stuff with Leia’s too “cute” lines and her doing Dr. Phil on people, then cut most of her chase in the forest because it’s silly and it should be over with in 2 seconds
*Keep episodes 2 and 3 mostly intact with the main cuts being to most times Reva is on screen, try to emphasize that she’s doing all of this on her own to downplay the stupidity of the Empire knowing for dead certain that Bail Organa knows Obi Wan personally
*Either make the first duel a nightmare sequence or somehow tweak it to where it makes more sense that Vader wouldn’t just follow them. Maybe just have Vader do the tracking device himself, but I don’t really like that idea either because it’s too repetitive with the original movie.
*Another idea I had, which I don’t know if it would work, would be to just mash the first duel and second duel together.
*Cut episode 4 except for the bacta tank part. I don’t want the handholding thing either because Obi Wan and Leia shouldn’t be so close. Sorry but continuity does matter!
*If possible no one should ever call him Obi Wan either, make it Ben so that when he tells Luke that he hasn’t gone by the name Obi Wan since before Luke was born, it’s accurate.
*Cut Vader choking Reva. I know people like this scene because it’s Vader being so hardcore or whatever but she shouldn’t place the tracking device, and if he’s going to discipline her like that he should have just killed her.
*Put any residual youngling flashbacks at the beginning with the other ones with Reva in episode 5, then take out the ones that happen when she gets stabbed (too mean!) She gets stabbed and killed. Her flaw was her hubris, her need for revenge, and her lack of willingness to receive Obi Wan’s help. End of story.
*Figure out a way for it to make sense for the evacuation ship to get away from the star destroyer in orbit.
*Likewise have the star destroyer or tie fighters actually pursue the other ship while Vader goes to Obi Wan. It can still get away, just have the Empire make some effort not to be stupid.
*Episode 6 has no Reva in it and hence no ridiculous attempt to kill Luke or anything included in that. Also cut Obi Wan visiting Alderaan. Just end on the scene of Obi Wan meeting Luke and then going into the desert to see Qui Gon.

RogueLeader said:

I have been thinking about how you could truncate the plot ever since NFB posted his opening test, and here’s my take on it. If I were to do an edit, I would prefer to keep scenes with the strongest and most interesting character interactions and moments. And I would rather cut or remove stuff that raises questions regarding continuity in relation to the Saga films. My exception to this would be Obi/Leia relationship. Sure, it could bring up questions about how much Leia really knew about Obi-Wan in A New Hope, but I think the strengths of their character interactions in this series outweigh those potential issues, so it is worth keeping.

After a NFB-type opening, you could keep Owen confronting Ben, but cut everything with the Inquisitors and the runaway Jedi on Tatooine. You could keep some of the Leia stuff and her getting kidnapped, or just show Bail calling Ben for his help.

It seems some people suggest cutting episodes 2 and 3, and having her being immediately taken to Fortress Inquisitorius and have them rescue her. Personally, I would rather keep 2 and 3, and completely cut the Fortress Rescue. Because 1) It is too reminiscent to the Death Star rescue, and 2) Some of the stronger Ben and Leia moments are their interactions in 2 and 3. I would like to keep the scene at the end of episode 4, when Leia and Ben hold hands, and move it to when they escape Jabiim in episode 5.

This also gives you a lot of wiggle room with how much you want to keep of both Vader duels. You could keep their first duel, or have Obi just run away and/or get burned, or have him go through the tunnel and escape with Tala and Leia to Jabiim. Kenobi getting burned has no effect on the story beyond him being in a bacta tank very briefly, which could be removed if you didn’t want to keep that. I personally feel like the logic doesn’t work for the set up of their second duel (why couldn’t the Star Destroyer continue to follow the transport?), so imo, that whole duel could be removed without it really changing anything. I think it would be cool to rework that duel into a short nightmare Ben has while he is in the bacta tank, then you wouldn’t have to worry about why Obi-Wan leaves Vader alive, or try and rework the duel where Vader leaves Obi-Wan buried under rubble. A lot of the force stuff in that duel just felt over-the-top to me.

And then you could have Reva “die” on Jabiim and remove all of the stuff with Luke, Owen, Reva etc. in episode 6.

Would it work if the kidnappers weren’t hired by Reva, but once they realize he is a Jedi, they contact the Empire for a reward and then the Inquisitors show up? Reva could still post the planet-wide bounty after they arrive if need be. One benefit to this is that you could make trims throughout so the Empire/Inquisitors never know there is a connection between Obi-Wan and Leia/the Organas, or that Leia is specifically the girl he is traveling with.

Anyway, just food for thought. I feel like this general outline would give someone quite a bit of flexibility.

This is close to my view as well, except I would keep the inquisitors on Tatooine just to show the state of things, introduce Reva, and keep the scene where Owen says “like you trained his father” which is great.

I’ll say again that it’s my opinion that Obi Wan and Yoda are not telling Luke to kill Vader and the Emperor. The way it’s worded, Obi Wan is essentially saying that Luke has to be willing to kill his father, not that he has to. Luke is saying “I can’t” do it which is placing limits on himself about what he can do if the need arises. The words Yoda uses are “confront” and “conquer” which are not the same thing as “kill” and “assassinate.” Yoda tells Luke that he needs to confront Vader again in order to become a Jedi. What does that mean?

I think it’s closer to what they call the Jedi trials to become a Knight in the prequels. It’s some kind of spiritual test. Exactly like when Luke faced the vision of Vader in the cave in Dagobah in ESB. We see the progression: facing Vader in the cave and failing because he brought his fears and weapons, then again failing when confronting the real Vader in Cloud City for the same reasons and lack of preparation, and then finally in ROTJ he is actually ready, he’s made some peace within himself that Vader is his father and he has the proper training and attitude. But he has to face his fears again in order to pass the test and truly become a Jedi. Whether that means killing Vader or something else happening is unclear and dependent on how it plays out.

Moreover, what Luke does in the throne room is IRRELEVANT to the Battle of Endor. That’s made very clear. “Soon I’ll be dead, and you with me.” If all goes according to Luke’s plan they’re all going to get blown up anyway. The real battle is spiritual, it’s over Luke’s soul and Vader’s soul. If he did run in there and manage to somehow kill both of them, there’s still the whole battle left. Yoda and Obi Wan must have known that. If you say, oh well, Revenge of the Sith shows them trying to kill Palpatine and Vader and failing, I would say exactly! So they know that’s a nonstarter especially for someone who’s not even a full Jedi like Luke. They’re not sending him to die necessarily but they are sending him for a spiritual confrontation of some kind.

I think Return of the Jedi in general is really misunderstood and that all three original movies are equally good.

With that said, in the Obi Wan show there isn’t really a good reason for Obi Wan not to kill Vader other than just repeating the same pity that he had in ROTS.

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DrDre said:

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Matt.F said:

RE: Why doesn’t Ben kill a defeated Vader?

Jedi Knights are honourable and chivalrous. Killing an opponent in a duel is one thing, but killing a vanquished fallen opponent is something entirely different. That is an execution.

We already see that when Anakin ‘executes’ a defeated Count Dooku. It is a wholly evil thing, and not the Jedi way.

Plus, trauma, shock and disgust. That much was evident from his reaction to Vader’s taunts. He wasn’t ready to see or hear that, even if it brought closure.

With the Jedi being inspired by samurais, I’m also sure he knew it would be more humiliating for Vader to crawl back to his shuttle in that state, rather than being killed in combat by his former master.

Mmm, what to do? Kill this mass murdering psychopath, who will undoubtedly continue to murder and maim, snapping the necks of innocent men, women, and children? Or humiliate the hell out of him by letting him crawl back to his shuttle? Easy choice really:

“Ze humiliation will be unbearable!”

It’s no different than every single James Bond villain informing their nemesis of their grand plan, only to leave him alive so he can make his escape and foil it. Or elderly Obi-Wan somehow thinking that lying through his teeth to manipulate Luke will make him want to become a Jedi and confront the Emperor. Even if Obi-Wan’s story about Vader killing Anakin only became a lie retroactively, people have been clutching at an explanation for decades.

If you’re expecting writing better than THAT from Star Wars, you were probably going to be disappointed no matter what Obi-Wan Kenobi did. The bad guys are very bad, and they wear evil, black robes and threatening helmets to denote that, and the good guys are very good. It’s never been a particularly well-written franchise, IMO. And I say that as someone who loves the OT dearly, but the visual effects, the music and the acting have all stuck with me more than the scripts.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Why are you even here?

Nobody is “clutching at an explanation,” it’s obvious that Obi Wan feels guilty, he doesn’t feel Luke is ready for the knowledge, and what he says is true in a sense, Vader is a different persona than Anakin. It’s actually great writing, like the rest of the original trilogy.

Obvious evil isn’t poor writing either, it’s a stylistic or genre choice.

NFBisms said:

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Hal 9000 said:

poppasketti said:

hey thanks guys ^^

Idk, I might just do a whole edit with this approach now actually. I don’t know how far I could take it given what the show becomes, but if I can make some progress that works for me past the first episode this week, you might see a thread pop up here. 👀

It’s really great work. Sounds amazing, though I’m not sure how much material you have to work with. The choppy style might even work better because you can cut out so much dialogue and exposition that doesn’t make sense.

NFBisms said:

This is something I put together in the other Kenobi redux thread, just in case it could be relevant to this project in some way:

NFBisms said:

I was one of those suckers who was actually really excited for Obi-Wan Kenobi (2022) because Deborah Chow and Kelley DIxon’s work on Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad fuckin’ rule. Needless to say, that was a bit misguided.

So I took a crack at editing the show to be closer in tone and style to what I expected out of BB-verse alumni.

I don’t think I’m going to do the whole show, but it was just a fun little experiment. The edit isn’t supposed to be like BB/BCS fwiw, just approaching the material with some of the storytelling philosophy I learned from them.

At the very least, Deborah Chow’s sensibilities as a director were still conducive to being arranged in this way so at least some of my excitement wasn’t unfounded

This is absolutely excellent. This is the kind of thing people were actually looking forward to about the show.

I didn’t think he was particularly impressed, just that Obi Wan was letting him know that it was a nasty place and to be careful. The music is for the audience.

Kaweebo said:

Hal 9000 said:

It’d be sad to lose the Luke and Reva tension, as I’m usually up for a halfway decent redemption story. But it might be necessary in order to crunch this down to a sensible feature length.

Fundamental disagreement here, that was the worst part of the show. Not only was the way it came about ridiculously contrived but Luke having any contact with an Inquisitor with her lightsaber out goes far beyond stretching canon to its breaking point.

Absolutely. I have no idea why they went with that. Even the excuse they already gave which was Owen and Beru telling him that tusken raiders were coming made sense, but then they decided to go all the way anyway.

Kaweebo said:

Acbagel said:

Ben won’t kill Vader because he still considers Anakin his friend, he wants him to grow & gain the wisdom that Ben knows he’s capable of learning.

That still doesn’t work since he is adamant in Return of the Jedi that Luke must strike his father down, even going so far as to say when Luke says he can’t, “then the Emperor has already won.”

I’ve always disagreed with this interpretation. It’s always seemed to me that Obi Wan is telling Luke he has to be willing to kill him if it comes to it, not that he has to. It’s a question of his resolve. That’s why Yoda uses the word “confront,” he has to face his father again and go through a spiritual test of some kind to become a Jedi.

With that said that’s still not a good reason for Obi Wan not to kill Vader in this moment in the show. For that I just assume he can’t bring himself to do it, which is the same thing he had in Revenge of the Sith. He has pity in the same way Bilbo and Frodo have pity on Gollum.

I guess the reason Vader didn’t kill Kenobi earlier is that he couldn’t bring himself to do it and the reason Kenobi didn’t kill Vader is he couldn’t bring himself to do it. Which is also the reason he didn’t do it in Revenge of the Sith. So really neither of them can bring themselves to kill the other so it’s kind of pointless except for the emotional parts of Obi Wan seeing Anakin as Vader and hearing from his own mouth that Vader “killed” Anakin (which I really liked.)

Emre1601 said:

adywan said:

They really should have got rid of all the useless fluff from the other episodes and developed this finale more into 2 eps. It felt rushed. Sadly they strengthened the bond between Ben & Leia which makes her reaction to his death in ANH even more cold. But this ep did seem to be a bit of a box ticker, which was a shame.

I did think Obi-Wan telling Leia their connection must be kept a secret, to protect both of them, was a good bypass of the hologram message from Leia in the OT.

It’s not. All the same problems are still there. By the time she’s contacting him, if the message is intercepted then both of their covers are blown anyway, so it doesn’t matter if she uses weird cagey language to suggest they don’t know each other.

Once again I think the only thing to do is cut as much Reva as possible.

Repost from the other thread:
I liked the last episode a lot, it’s finally what everyone actually wanted: Obi Wan interacting with Anakin, Owen and Beru, Luke, and Qui Gon in ways that make sense. I liked that his interactions with Leia were more centered on Anakin and Padme now instead of just telling her how wonderful she is for being a girl.

Of course there’s still the canon breaking stuff all over like Obi Wan being such good friends with Leia in the first place, and the most egregious thing of all, Reva chasing Luke with a lightsaber and the Force and Luke never bringing it up again. “Oh, the Force? Sounds like the thing that one lady used to telekinetically slam my head against a rock when I was 10.” I guess the excuse is that he did hit his head so that means he won’t remember it. When they told him to stay inside because of tusken raiders I thought that made sense but then they undercut it with yet another of the series’s ridiculous chase sequences.
Then there’s the other things with Reva, how she teleported to Tatooine in 2 seconds (while severely wounded) while Obi Wan and Vader are still in the middle of a space chase and trying to get to hyperspace, her surviving getting stabbed with a lightsaber, and her clumsy and contrived motivations for trying to kill Luke. “I’m going to kill Vader’s son that he doesn’t know about, which won’t affect him in any way.”

I kept saying this every episode, but it just sucks that there’s so much good stuff surrounded by so much awful stuff.

I liked the last episode a lot, it’s finally what everyone actually wanted: Obi Wan interacting with Anakin, Owen and Beru, Luke, and Qui Gon in ways that make sense. I liked that his interactions with Leia were more centered on Anakin and Padme now instead of just telling her how wonderful she is for being a girl.

Of course there’s still the canon breaking stuff all over like Obi Wan being such good friends with Leia in the first place, and the most egregious thing of all, Reva chasing Luke with a lightsaber and the Force and Luke never bringing it up again. “Oh, the Force? Sounds like the thing that one lady used to telekinetically slam my head against a rock when I was 10.” I guess the excuse is that he did hit his head so that means he won’t remember it. When they told him to stay inside because of tusken raiders I thought that made sense but then they undercut it with yet another of the series’s ridiculous chase sequences.
Then there’s the other things with Reva, how she teleported to Tatooine in 2 seconds (while severely wounded) while Obi Wan and Vader are still in the middle of a space chase and trying to get to hyperspace, her surviving getting stabbed with a lightsaber, and her clumsy and contrived motivations for trying to kill Luke. “I’m going to kill Vader’s son that he doesn’t know about, which won’t affect him in any way.”

I kept saying this every episode, but it just sucks that there’s so much good stuff surrounded by so much awful stuff.

EddieDean said:

I think it’s a difference between having an apprentice (which makes you their master whatever your rank) and being a Master of the Jedi Order, or a Council-level Master, which is a whole other formal thing.

Either way, definitely each to his own, but when canon bends to create new content, the user has a choice of whether to accept the bend in order to enjoy the new content or not.

I’m happy that Vader’s Luke’s father, because that gives me good stories, even though that was a bend of canon not intended during ANH. I’m happy Leia is Luke’s sister, because that gives me good stories, even though that was a bend of canon not conceived until ROTJ. I’m happy that Ahsoka is Anakin’s Padawan, because she’s become one of my favourite characters, even though that was a bend of canon when it was created.

It’s a negotiation between you and the writers: We’ve got a good idea, but you’re going to have to accept this new interpretation of what you may have understood before. And sometimes that means that earlier content loses some value (the Vader suprise, the Yoda reveal), but you have to decide for yourself if the new stuff is worth the bend. For me, new stuff adds way more than it removes, so I’ll take that deal almost every time.

But adding new stuff by bending the rules has been part of Star Wars since the very first movie after the original.

Okay but the changes made during the original trilogy actually add to stuff that happened before. When you watch the scenes with Obi Wan and uncle Owen in the original movie, their acting and delivery takes on whole new layers of meaning when they’re talking about Luke’s father.

And those weren’t “rules.” Nothing is actually contradicted on screen. It’s entirely possible for those twists to happen because we’re taking what characters say at their word, not to mention the original trilogy was made before everything else so it was the foundation. When you move to the prequels and it has to show all the events on screen and pack everything into two hour chunks, it gets much more dicey. You have to admit there is a clear distinction between Vader being Luke’s father and Obi Wan lying about it and telling Luke later that he lied about it, and all the main characters being a dense interrelated web that all know each other and they never talk about it.

Technically I have no problem with Ahsoka specifically other than they have no good explanation of where she was during the original trilogy.

Servii said:

I agree with what SparkySywer said above.

I get what George is trying to say about attachment, but it bugs me that he considers emotional connection to your own mother, or simply the act of falling in love with someone, as something problematic. Anakin falling for Padme is portrayed as a dangerous thing, like it’s a “sin,” but Anakin’s behavior towards Padme doesn’t become overtly possessive until RotS. It’s hard to gauge what Lucas considers to be crossing the line from “good” love to “bad/possessive” love. And we don’t really see much of the Jedi showing that compassionate love to people. And maybe that was intentional, but I don’t think it was.

As for politics, yeah, I get what George was trying to say, but the historical parallels he makes don’t really work. The politics in the prequels line up more with modern American politics, or rather George’s personal view of American politics. George is a great creative mind and a great worldbuilder, but he’s not a great political analyst.

I actually think it’s way more possessive in AotC then afterward lol
That’s where all the “creepy” lines come from. “You are in my very soul, tormenting me,” and all that.

The politics make a lot of sense for the story, it’s just that their execution is a little baffling and inconsistent. They’re supposed to be Roman, it’s a Republic turning into an Empire with a Julius Caesar figure in Palpatine/Anakin. (It gets muddled with Abraham Lincoln and the Civil War as well.) It’s meant to be Shakespearean in the Julius Caesar or Macbeth or Hamlet sense, which is where all the over the top dialogue comes in (“So this is how liberty dies.”)
But in concept it makes perfect sense that that’s what you would do if you’re doing a story about a Republic becoming an Empire.

act on instinct said:

Servii said:

I agree with what SparkySywer said above.

I get what George is trying to say about attachment, but it bugs me that he considers emotional connection to your own mother, or simply the act of falling in love with someone, as something problematic. Anakin falling for Padme is portrayed as a dangerous thing, like it’s a “sin,” but Anakin’s behavior towards Padme doesn’t become overtly possessive until RotS. It’s hard to gauge what Lucas considers to be crossing the line from “good” love to “bad/possessive” love. And we don’t really see much of the Jedi showing that compassionate love to people. And maybe that was intentional, but I don’t think it was.

I understand the resistance to the ideas about attachments but that’s really something to take up with Buddhism/Hinduism more than Lucas who is being a pretty loyal messenger to the eastern view on such things, rather than misinterpreting or inventing.

From the Bhagavad Gita, I’m sure it will sound familiar:
https://panindiahindu.wordpress.com/2017/05/17/love-vs-attachment-in-the-context-of-gita/

Exactly. It’s very difficult for a secular, materialist, western audience to accept the idea of not leading yourself by your emotions or what gives you “fulfillment” or sexual desire.

theprequelsrule said:

The unlikability of the Jedi as portrayed in the PT is the culmination of a process that seemed to start with TESB. In SW77 the Jedi are portrayed as a sort of intergalactic police; a cross between The Knights of The Round Table, the Samurai, and The Lensmen. In Empire we get the warrior monk view of the Jedi. I guess Lucas preferred this view…but I prefer his original concept.

I like it better too with the caveat that I don’t think ESB is where it started.

People say that about ESB because Yoda and Obi Wan tell Luke not to go save his friends. Some things with that:

1. Not at all the same thing as the prequel prohibition on attachments. They never told him to not have friends or that having friends was wrong or not to get too attached to people.
2. In this scenario they were absolutely right to tell him not to go: it was a trap, he lost his hand, his friends got away anyway without him, and he almost died (tried to commit suicide to get out.) The only thing questionable the Jedi do is Obi Wan not telling him that Vader is his father.

They’re still the same all the way through the original trilogy and remained the same in the expanded universe all the way until The Phantom Menace. The Tales of the Jedi comics and all the books (which Lucas signed off on!) depict them as decentralized knights in the context of sort of feudalism where they can take sides in conflicts and they work directly for monarchs, such as queens.
The prequels tried to bridge that it a weird way by having elected monarchs that are really just representatives or senators, and turning the Jedi into a cross between the FBI, secret service, diplomats, and modern military officers that are all centralized on the single capitol planet where they’re essentially a branch of government unto themselves.

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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QXYOC7U5yuhQAr089jiWeXZpy7J0nY0M/view?usp=sharing

Here is a sample of Anakin meeting Padame from my 3-1 cut done in HDR.

The scene was cut to flow tighter and more natural, like the dialogue between Ani and Padame.

I guess some of the cgi didn’t age too badly or did you update it because watto and think even jar jar look ok for the most part.

I thought Watto and Jarjar looked better too. No cgi work, just HDR. This is from the 1080p blurays. The Hdr just really helped balance the levels better so they blend into the scene more.

I hope there’s a way to make them look that good throughout the prequel trilogy.

Well see, Im still playing with it trying to find the right balance. Its helpful but def takes sometime

Take your time if you can get those two characters and maybe more to look good without updating the cgi you just made a miracle happen.

I think some of the scenes will be easier than other to blend. The Gungun battle will still be hard. Some of the scenes, the grass just looks like trash. Its real grass, but who ever composited it originally did a terrible job. One scene you can see the blades of grass and then the next you can’t even at the same distance. Some of that may still have to be fixed with vfx.

There is also the issue of how much I can push these images. Many of them are completely flattened. Some of them barely coming up to 350 on the scopes where as it should be spread up to 700 at least or higher when compared to the Sequel Trilogy quality.

Not only this, but also the color and vibrancy of the image. How rich can the colors go while keeping natural tones and not making the Cgi look more cgi.

Some of the scenes in the Anakin meeting Padame were brightened quite a bit to bring out the higher ends, while pulling the Blacks, Dark, and Shadow areas back down to where they should be. The fall off from light to dark should look as natural as possible. As these were older digital cameras, there are limits to what they even were able to capture with the sensor technology and software of the time. (Look at your cell phones to see how far some of this tech has come. Now compare your phone’s tiny censor to that of even an Slr camera and its huge. Specially when shooting in Raw. The information size difference is huge. So the tech then def had its limits.)

This again will effect work flow on the vfx. As if I do HDR first and color grade, then the Vfx after wont be graded in HDR as I can’t isolate objects in Davinci. So ill still have to do most the vfx first before doing the HDR. Or do some Hdr, then Vfx, then the final Hdr. Some scenes Ive already considered running HRD on twice to be able to isolate and manipulate more layers of the image. Specially in some of the washed out images during the saber battle in the reactor room.

On a separate note, I will be trying to do some of the Deepfaking and deaging on some of the added scenes from Obiwan. Ive already seen some promising examples on the Obi and Ani training scene. Of which I wont use wholesale, but I will be using parts of to show Anakin’s training after being taken on by Obiwan at the end of TPM. I had already planned to repurpose some of the youngling scenes from ATOC to show of this, but Obiwan gave some extra scenes.

Using these scenes in smaller forms means you wont be rehashing it if you watch Obiwan, as I wont be using the whole scene. So its something briefly shown in the prequels that will still be shown in more depth in Obiwan where its dialogue and message are meant for.

For those curious, in the Purist Cut, Anakin will still be the one killing the younglings as to not interfere with the Extended Starwars canon. For me though, most of what Disney has done isn’t in my canon. Except Rogue One. So for me, switching the Emperor to killing the kids doesn’t mess up my head canon and actually improves it.

So rebels the final season of the clone wars the bad batch tales of the Jedi and Jedi fallen order aren’t canon to you? because minus Jedi fallen order Dave filoni did the rest.

Na. I enjoyed Mandalorian and Rogue One but I-Vi is largely my only canon. I didn’t dig a lot of the stories even. For me, Darth Maul dies in Ep I. (I like Bobba Fet dying in Ep VI too).

I’m surprised because unlike ep 1 maul is a well developed character with a great backstory is it kinda ridiculous that he survived yes but so is a lot of stuff in Star Wars also ahsoka turned out to be a great character as well. plus the last ep of the clone wars happens before during and after revenge of the sith and in the clone wars you get to relate to anakin and it makes his downfall more tragic.

Yea I know there are many who enjoy it, Im just not one. Creates more plot holes and things that don’t make sense to me. Like Anakin not being a Master but still having an apprentice.

That’s not how you become a Jedi master you become a Jedi master after training a padawan that successfully becomes a Jedi knight she never became a Jedi knight so anakin never became a Jedi master. Side note the clone wars was created by both George lucas and Dave filoni.

I don’t think that’s true but I don’t think you have to be a master to have an apprentice either.

The thing with Ahsoka is more that you would think she would have come up in the movies at some point. That’s the problem every prequel is running into including the prequel movies themselves. Apparently Obi Wan and R2D2 and C3PO were all palling around, Obi Wan and Leia were palling around, Obi Wan fought Vader two more times, Obi Wan definitely went by Obi Wan way after Luke was born, Yoda and Chewbacca were palling around, Anakin built C3PO, etc. and no one ever talks about any of it. Rebels is the most egregious because it has three fully fledged Jedi (demonstrably more powerful than Luke ever was) plus Darth Maul, plus numerous inquisitors, and we’re somehow supposed to ignore all of it when the original movies come up.

I admit the Clone Wars episodes that go on during Revenge of the Sith are pretty good and do well explaining where Ahsoka is during all of it. Up until Rebels anyway.

MalaStrana#2 said:

Vladius said:

They should just stop making Star Wars stuff, there’s enough already

Or they could come up with new ideas.

Even Disney new ideas are now being recycled like crazy (Baby Yoda / Lil Leia / Omega, or Rey the scavanger / Ben the hobo butcher, Reva / Finn even share lots of similar ideas). They even have already did TWICE the Imperial redhead guy switching side… (never trust gingers, remember Cartman warned us about them 😄).

Maybe they could just do less but better, quality vs quantity. But when I read some comments here, I have the feeling casual fans just want to be plugged to neverending Star Wars feed with a mind elastic enough to accept basically anything (it still is incredibly laughable to consider the number of comments defending a rematch set between Mustafar and the Death Star events as “adding more depth and layers”… well, we’ve seen the quality of those layers, right…).

I don’t want them to come up with new ideas, because they’re going to execute them poorly and possibly with hatred of their own audience. People keep asking for them to do something with the Old Republic and it’s like really? You want the same people that you think just screwed up everything else to start screwing that up too?

BedeHistory731 said:

Sirius said:

Everyone wants to see Luke being a badass in the sequel trilogy,

Legends Luke was too OP and flies in the nature of the movie character, IMO. TLJ was a much more plausible Luke, but that’s a discussion for another day. Being a badass doesn’t always mean it’ll be a good and complex character.

What do you mean by plausible? Everything is made up either way. It’s more about what is satisfying.

RogueLeader said:

CarboniteSolo said:

John Williams would know exactly how to do it, I just don’t understand why they didn’t have him instead. I guess he was busy or cost too much. I know he’s getting older, so that might be another reason.

John Williams at his prime, maybe, but I think it is time for Williams to retire from Star Wars and let other composers take over. I personally think composers like Michael Giacchino and Gordy Haab, who does the music for Battlefront and Jedi: Fallen Order, can emulate the signature Star Wars music that John Williams created 40 years ago better than John Williams can in the present.

That being said, I do like Ludwig’s score for Mandalorian, which is totally different, but I can’t help but associate the classical score with Star Wars’ space opera roots. And elements of the Mandalorian theme has vibes of the Rocky theme from the 70s, as well as a mythic quality with the traditional instruments. It feels like the Kenobi score is erring on the side of generic science fiction music rather than something fitting for a swashbuckling fantasy.

I think it’s time for Williams to retire because he’s old, not because he’s suddenly bad at making Star Wars music or somehow bad at copying himself

They should just stop making Star Wars stuff, there’s enough already

jrs81 said:

For me, I hate that Obi Wan was that far gone to begin with. Buried his lightsabers to avoid detection, and a bit rusty, but that shot of him barely able to move that tool on on the ship was too much. My edit doesn’t make him quite as pathetic. Facing full powered Vader when you are rusty would be frightening under any circumstance. In my mind he doesn’t need too much to bring him back.

Agree with Revel, never want to see episode 4 again other than bacta scene and Leia taking his hand.

100% agree. Even if you think episode 4 is necessary for the “arc” of getting back to how he was, it still doesn’t do a good job of that and makes it seem really rushed. Better to just leave the idea out. There are reasons why he wouldn’t be prepared to face Vader anyway because of guilt and fear.