Venny

Greg Z said:

Bridger12 said:

Greg Z said:

Octorox said:

Hal 9000 said:

LD audio is better than the DVD? Do you know something about their history? I could try my hand if the two need to be blended somehow, such as surround channels being more dynamic in the LD.

I believe the LD audio is actually stereo, so it doesn’t use the surround channels at all. However it’s supposedly the original theatrical audio mix, whereas the DVD mix was a new one done for the DVD release. The Laserdisc audio is also supposed to be nearly lossless whereas the DVD has a compressed AC3 mix. The best option would be to include both. I’d bite the bullet but:
1.) I already spent too much on this movie importing the PAL DVD
2.) I don’t have a laserdisc player, or any of the equipment I would need to properly capture the audio.

The laserdisc has Dolby Surround encoded audio. The stereo soundtrack can be decoded to surround by any
receiver or pre-amp with prologic II. You get 4 channels: right, left, center and mono rear. I haven’t
heard it personally but it would be lossless and most likely the original theatrical audio mix.

Edit: I just purchased a copy of the laserdisc from Ebay. I will be able to provide a digital and analog copy
of the audio for the project. I’ll also check it out through my receiver and see what it sounds like decoded
to surround.

I don’t see “Dolby Surround” on the laserdisc back cover. Odd.

I got my info from the LaserDisc Database site.

https://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/03599/1117-AS/Brave-Little-Toaster-The

It says that both the digital and analog audio tracks are Dolby Surround encoded.
I should have taken a better look at the pictures of the back cover on Ebay. It doesn’t
say Dolby Surround anywhere on the cover, just stereo. I guess I’ll find out when the disc
arrives and I try decoding the stereo tracks.

The credits at the end of the film and LaserDisc mention Dolby Stereo so that is accurate to the films theatrical mix.

Greg Z said:

Octorox said:

Hal 9000 said:

LD audio is better than the DVD? Do you know something about their history? I could try my hand if the two need to be blended somehow, such as surround channels being more dynamic in the LD.

I believe the LD audio is actually stereo, so it doesn’t use the surround channels at all. However it’s supposedly the original theatrical audio mix, whereas the DVD mix was a new one done for the DVD release. The Laserdisc audio is also supposed to be nearly lossless whereas the DVD has a compressed AC3 mix. The best option would be to include both. I’d bite the bullet but:
1.) I already spent too much on this movie importing the PAL DVD
2.) I don’t have a laserdisc player, or any of the equipment I would need to properly capture the audio.

The laserdisc has Dolby Surround encoded audio. The stereo soundtrack can be decoded to surround by any
receiver or pre-amp with prologic II. You get 4 channels: right, left, center and mono rear. I haven’t
heard it personally but it would be lossless and most likely the original theatrical audio mix.

Edit: I just purchased a copy of the laserdisc from Ebay. I will be able to provide a digital and analog copy
of the audio for the project. I’ll also check it out through my receiver and see what it sounds like decoded
to surround.

Absolute legend! Thank you so much!

Octorox said:

Ideally, a lossless capture of the Laserdisc audio, but I haven’t been able to get my hands on it. I’m not sure if anyone has done a preservation. The 5.1 AC3 mix on the DVD is fine, and I’d recommend including it as well, but it barely takes advantage of the surround channels anyway.

Me neither it’s very expensive (in the 70 USD-100 range). I have up to 3 different people I could send a LD to for capture (one even having a Domesday setup) so if I ever get the LD release I will transfer it.

UPDATE 7/19/2022:
Raw scans are on the way! My middle man is downloading the raw DNG files and will be converting them to ProRes for donors. They will be located in the same folder as the proxies when they are uploaded!

For faster updates I suggest joining the Kineko Video Discord Server:
https://discord.com/invite/aNn2cu3UT3

Bridger12 said:

Have the scans and encodes arrived yet?

No

UPDATE FOR DONORS:
Raw scans and new encodes will be made very soon! Sorry for the long wait, but there has been quite a long queue so expect raw scans and encodes to be ready in early July at the latest! I am also in contact with Jerry Rees the director of the original film and Brian McEntee who helped color time the original film to help work on restoration and general guidance. Can’t wait to give more updated soon! Anyone who has access to the Google Drive folder will receive the raw scans in the same folder when they are ready.

PJ said:

Venny said:

Hey uhhh those movies already have higher quality 1080p Web-DLs. All the movies got new HD remasters from Toei in 2018
https://mei.animebytes.tv/urIYVRgsei0.png
https://mei.animebytes.tv/QVLwnvFdQrL.png
https://mei.animebytes.tv/1d83c38eff7be4312a224a0a47426b4ec29b7e32ad6eb0e5272d0020eb72683b.png

Interesting. I didn’t even know Toei did newer remasters. Given what little I’ve been able to read online, others seem to be in the same boat. Typical of Funimation not releasing proper releases done by them.

Comparing the Dragon Box masters to the ones you’re talking about, the remasters definitley look higher quality…except for Coolers Revenge. Colors are odd and the picture looks weirdly sharpened. Perhaps this is another master from them that is different from the screenshot you linked, but frankly finding information on newer Toei remasters is surprisingly scarce. Any other info such as direct links you have would be nice.

Regardless, this is also just a means for people to experience what the Dragon Box masters have to offer but in HD. In regards to colors, grain or detail, really can’t tell how similar the newer remasters are to say whether you get the same experience but in better quality with those newer blurays if that’s what you’re getting at.

It’s not sharpened (at least not to an amount that would come off as distracting).

Fullmetaled said:

Venny said:

Hey uhhh those movies already have higher quality 1080p Web-DLs. All the movies got new HD remasters from Toei in 2018
https://mei.animebytes.tv/urIYVRgsei0.png
https://mei.animebytes.tv/QVLwnvFdQrL.png
https://mei.animebytes.tv/1d83c38eff7be4312a224a0a47426b4ec29b7e32ad6eb0e5272d0020eb72683b.png

That’s great too bad the high quality audio tapes are rejected by the companies that own the series.😦

The movies already have high quality master tape audio in the Toei Blu-Ray

Hey uhhh those movies already have higher quality 1080p Web-DLs. All the movies got new HD remasters from Toei in 2018
https://mei.animebytes.tv/urIYVRgsei0.png
https://mei.animebytes.tv/QVLwnvFdQrL.png
https://mei.animebytes.tv/1d83c38eff7be4312a224a0a47426b4ec29b7e32ad6eb0e5272d0020eb72683b.png

Hal 9000 said:

If there’s a missing frame, I’d imagine he would be able to reasonably borrow it from the DVD (or upscale) and fill the rest in with information from surrounding frames. Absolute worst case just duplicate a frame to keep sync with audio.

That’s what I did for the quick encode that donors have received. It worked quite well

Bridger12 said:

Venny said:

Bridger12 said:

Don’t forget to keep the red tint during the climax where Rob is stuck on the conveyor belt. Director Jerry Rees told me in a Facebook message that it’s supposed to be there, but the PAL DVD took it out entirely, for reasons that fail me.

https://i.slow.pics/0jDMJS83.png

Yep I will keep note of that. On the print this part is tinted red

What about the rest of the scene? I think it should pretty much match the North American DVD.

Some more screenshots:
https://i.slow.pics/CleVlNgM.png
https://i.slow.pics/zKmS76rW.png

Bridger12 said:

Don’t forget to keep the red tint during the climax where Rob is stuck on the conveyor belt. Director Jerry Rees told me in a Facebook message that it’s supposed to be there, but the PAL DVD took it out entirely, for reasons that fail me.

https://i.slow.pics/0jDMJS83.png

Yep I will keep note of that. On the print this part is tinted red

TheFerbguy said:

I think you can also (if you like to) get in touch with FemboyFilms on YouTube and Twitter for some assistance. He just came out with a fully restored version of “Super Mario Bros. - The Great Mission to Rescue Princess Peach!” from 16MM film

https://twitter.com/femboyfilms
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCC0VagcnThjj1nxlbf6btYQ/about

FemboyFilms is who got me in contact with this scanner in particular actually lol. If I need help with restoration I will 100% ask for help and maybe even let them do a public release if they’d like similar to SMB if it’s too much for me to handle

potatowes said:

I am very interested in this and can’t believe I missed this thread before! I would be happy to donate to this project!

Just PM me for details on how to donate!

The folder with proxy files has been updated with a temporary video sync. Splices were fixed and missing frames were replaced with frames from the PAL DVD, VHS audio was muxed in, and the video was cropped down

https://youtu.be/gA23739nxYI

Starbond9 said:

This is awesome, I’d love to help out via donations or whatever it would take so I could see the finished product! 😄

Just PM me and I can send you the PayPal to donate to!

Zachariah said:

I would love to donate to get access to this! I have been waiting years for anything like this to come along. Please, let me know how I can get involved. Thanks!

Just PM me and I can send you the PayPal to donate to!

Dazman said:

Hey Venny, you might want to check this out, some group called Double ‘O’ Productions has done the CC and audio fix plus a lot of subtle effects work to fix some continuity problems:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vAzeRnOUF4

Haven’t seen their version yet, but their work does seem impressive in the youtube video.

Personally not a fan of this. I never liked restorations doing continuity error changes to old films. Also the color correction leaves a lot to be desired and doesn’t look accurate to the LaserDisc/theatrical colors

I think there’s a 35mm scan out there somewhere? I’m not 100% sure tho.

Hey, I wanted to maybe start a possible Batman 89 project to take the 4K remaster and color correct the video and sync up the original LaserDisc audio. idk if anyone has done this yet as I’m not super in touch with fan restoration projects, but I have a pretty decent method for color correction and already have the LaserDisc audio ready to use!

Proof of Concept Screenshots:
Color Correction
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/767178964812169249/960887794966880276/unknown.png
4K Remaster:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/767178964812169249/960887795457601556/unknown.png

RU.08 said:

Not about the movie Venny, the seller. “zontar2000”. His notoriety for dishonesty precedes him. Buy from that guy at your peril.

Yeah, I know zontar is a bad person to buy from, but not everyone knows that so people still buy these prints from him at these insanely high prices despite them not being as good as he advertises because they are popular films and films projectionists want to buy. It’s unfortunate, but zontar is listing prints of movies people desire.

Sent my donation!

RU.08 said:

God, how that notorious asshole sold a shit print for $1.2K I will never understand.

It’s a superhero movie. And one of the most influential superhero movies at that so it selling for over 1K makes sense as die-hard Batman fans would probably shell out the cash to buy it

Hal 9000 said:

Interesting… how will it be presented for this project? Full image with rounded corners?

Probably cropped to 4:3 but the full-frame will be shown so with rounded corners

Hal 9000 said:

Are you suggesting it was something like an open matte? I am picturing the flashing lights on the periphery of the image during the start of “On the Edge,” and the left and right sides are further away.

EDIT: I’m not sure I understand what you mean when you say it’s taller and wider than 1.33:1. Unless it’s because of the rounded corners, assuming it’d be projected with those just cropped out.

Dude, the kids and I are gonna have a repeat movie night in the near future. Never thought I’d see this movie in its OAR.

So pretty much the 35mm frame has a lot more picture on all sides of the frame. The DVDs use a crop that cuts out more of the sides and some of the top and bottom to get the 1:33:1 aspect ratio. With this print you could theoretically make a 1:66:1 version which would have more frame on the left and right than the DVD, but less on the top and bottom, a 16:9 framing with even more on the left and right, or a slightly taller and wider 4:3 framing. It’s pretty great because it means the movie can be shown in the aspect ratio the directors intended away from the home video releases and it can be presented in 4:3 like the VHS and DVD release. So there are all kinds of cool release that can be made with this print