Venny

That guy with no name said:

Venny said:

This comment section is the reason I stopped using these forums. Just people begging for piracy.

Huh? Aren’t you the one advertising this? If you don’t want people to pirate these film, then why are posting a thread in the “film preservations” section? Do you want people to pay you to purchase and view this print by yourself?

This thread had nothing to do with any scan of my own but a potential print that could be purchased and scanned, but got away. Then it turned into people begging for a scan that had nothing to do with the creation of the thread. Read please 😃

This comment section is the reason I stopped using these forums. Just people begging for piracy.

SpacemanDoug said:

Certain streaming platforms used the mono mix with the 4K master

Oh which ones?!

Update 8/21/2024: THE PACKAGE HAS BEEN DELIVERED! Will give updates as soon as I can on scanning. I silently closed donation until I knew for sure it was delivered but if anyone wanted to pitch in you can now.

Update 8/19/2024: The package has landed in New York. It should reach the scanner any day now (I’d give it another week or so). I’ll give another update when it reaches it’s destination or if there are any issues.

Update 8/16/2024: Still waiting for the print to get shipped. Right now it’s been going through customs so it’s taking a while. I don’t want to give a concrete ETA, but I’m guessing we might need to wait for September at the latest. Hoping things speed up soon.

As of yesterday, the print has been shipped. No ETA on when it will be here, but should be around 1-2 weeks give or take

WXM said:

[venny said:]
this will likely be the last project I put out on Original Trilogy but I thank all the people who have helped me with my projects on these forums and supported these scans.

If it’s not prying too much, can you tell us why you’re putting this behind you (is it here only, or other places also)? I can’t help but wonder if it’s akin to TVArchive and a few others leaving out of some form of being fed up with being nagged too much or similar, or maybe it’s more like you’ve personally simply done all the projects you wish to do—are sated—and that’s that?

I don’t think these forums are fit for my projects anymore with leaks, people begging me for scans when they aren’t finished, etc. I respect the community that has helped me in the past and now, but with this forum being open to everyone it makes it hard to get support without bad actors taking advantage of that kindness.

Wow looks amazing!

The post has been updated with the total cost. The print has now been paid for and any donations are being accepted. Please private message me for more details on sending in a donation

rwzmjl said:

Are you planning on cutting it with the 35mm scan, or will the 16mm be as it is? Down for a dono either way!

Both

Long time no see!

I just won a 16mm print of The Brave Little Toaster. This will be scanned in the US at 5K which will be a much higher resolution than the 3.5K scan I had of the 35mm print and this print may have fewer splices and damage which could make it a better source for missing frames and possibly a cleaner scan in general. My final “raw” 35mm release used the PAL DVD to replace splices and missing frames so this will be a much better source!

The cost of the print was 200 EUR and I am still awaiting the shipping cost. This print will be shipped from Germany so the shipping price will likely be quite high.

Anyone interested in helping out please shoot me a private message and I will put down a list of contributors

Pledges: ($275/$340):
rickstaman05 - 10 USD
Greg Z - 40 USD
Mikezilla - 15 USD
Kwark - 120 USD
cart - 50 USD
Dave cole man - 20 USD
Vanner64 - 20 USD

UPDATE 8/4/2024 2:50 PM EST:
I wanted to thank all the people pitching in so far. We already almost reached the goal of paying off the entire print’s costs, shipping, and other taxes or fees. Those who have already donated will of course get the scan once it is ready and I will be putting any excess towards scanning costs which will be updated in this thread once the time comes.

I also wanted to say this will likely be the last project I put out on Original Trilogy but I thank all the people who have helped me with my projects on these forums and supported these scans.

eBay listing I purchased from for proof: https://www.ebay.com/itm/375552450783

Very excited to see this!

chocopock said:

Venny said:
Remember Paramount recently did amazing remasters of Wayne’s World, Truman Show, and many other films where they restored or fixed elements from their original Blu-Ray format releases. There is more care in the UHD division than there ever has been. There is no way they would fake gate weeve or fake film grain that’s just a bad faith assumption

Truman Show had wrong color grading and companies do fake film grain and gate weave. Studio Ghibli films do it all the time. Disney and Warner Bros. constantly use fake film grain especially in more recent remasters.

TonyWDA said:
You’re presuming the digital elements are still there and weren’t corrupted or rendered inaccessible due to several factors. Few, if any, studios outside of Disney and Pixar were that careful with the preservation of their digital assets and the legacy software/plug-ins used to generate visual effects and composite the final frames. The Iron Giant, Cats Don’t Dance, The Prince of Egypt, all three theatrical Rugrats movies, and even Disney’s own A Goofy Movie were all film-sourced for their high-definition transfers because the digital sources and programs used to composite a scene were either misplaced, damaged, or the company simply did not see the need to re-render the film shot by shot due to missing assets or an unwillingness to put in that much time to retrieve data that may or may not even load properly.

This is correct, however, when they made a transfer for the Spongebob movie on Blu-ray and HD broadcast they would’ve had an uncompressed digital copy made available. Disney and Pixar have done it but some of those machines likely don’t work any more. Once you do it once, you don’t need to do it again since it’s a perfect digital recreation. Disney has reused those same digital copies for their UHD releases which is why you’re stuck with altered versions of The Lion King and Beauty and the Beast. Those are the finalized versions they decided to backup and likely can’t access the originals anymore. None of your examples had digital to digital releases before, but Spongebob has.

Yes, companies do fake gate weave for NEW movies NOT remasters to give an old or nostalgic aesthetic. “Fake” film grain in remasters is actually not fake a lot of the time. It’s usually the grain from the actual film removed and replaced after clean up. It’s usually the real grain from the film. And if fake grain is used there are rarely any cases I’ve seen where it looks bad or out of place. It’s an essential part of remasters to degrain to digitally clean and restore film. Another thing is film scans a lot of the time have more than just FILM grain. They typically have noise from the scanner’s camera on top of grain from the film. Denoising scanner noise is imperative if you really want a true authentic picture.

Also, a note about Truman Show is from what I saw on a true 4K HDR display was fantastic. Not sure what you mean by “wrong color grading”. As someone who has watched the film about a thousand times and has had a lot of issues with the original Blu-Ray and DVD releases the UHD is the best the film has and will ever look

chocopock said:

I think y’all are being fooled by the new 4K transfer. It is not a filmout. Film looks significantly worse than this especially for digitally composited animation. This is 100% just a digital upscale with fake film grain and fake gate weave. All the screenshots look exactly the same as the previous Blu-Ray but darker due to the HDR obsession. There’s no reason Paramount would go back to scanning a filmout when the digital elements are right there. Think of the Jimmy Neutron movie and how that’s a filmout. It looks like shit because that’s just how that kind of content looks.

I think the UHD is very clearly film out. Paramount isn’t as incompetent with UHD remasters as you or others are making them out to be they clearly put effort into the UHD format. They likely scanned a film element as it would be a better way to make a 4K master from a 4K scan of an element than a 1080p (or possibly lower) digital element to 4K. It’s very common practice.

Remember Paramount recently did amazing remasters of Wayne’s World, Truman Show, and many other films where they restored or fixed elements from their original Blu-Ray format releases. There is more care in the UHD division than there ever has been. There is no way they would fake gate weeve or fake film grain that’s just a bad faith assumption

TristAndShout64 said:

Hooray, OT is back up! I’ll be reaching out to donors sometime soon to get email addresses in case this happens again, but feel free to PM it to me if you’d like.

Anyways, I suppose it’s a perfect time for an update, as there’s a lot to discuss. Firstly, I want to share a bit about distribution of the final print, which will be done a bit differently now due to the recent Reddit leaks which caused a bit of a stir.

I won’t go too much into detail regarding my opinions on what happened, but I will say that I find openly sharing these scans on Reddit and other websites a bit irresponsible and a good way to get some person or another in trouble. To be clear, I don’t necessarily think we should gatekeep or disallow people from seeing scans; I think it should be up to whoever did the scan who they distribute the print to (not that there are any implied rights, but I see it as a simple courtesy thing), but at the very least I believe that it should be kept to private messages as opposed to just having a website with download links to full, copyrighted movies.

Knowing all this, I will be slightly tightening things as far as who will receive copies of the print. I’m in favor of letting more people see the final scan, but I’m just too fearful of getting in trouble after it gets posted online to be willing to send it to whoever messages me and asks. Perhaps that’s irrational to some capacity, but it’s just something I’m not comfortable with at this point.

The long-and-short of it this: all people who have donated WILL get a copy, as expected. Other people interested can receive a copy AT MY DISCRETION, but will be required to provide image proof that they own a copy of the film. I’ll be keeping things fairly limited, so don’t necessarily expect a response if you PM me asking for a copy.

If you do receive a copy of the scan, know that I’m trusting you not to share a copy with anyone else or post it online, and my willingness to do another project like this may be impacted if anyone does so. Also, I’d like to share that I plan on posting clips of the final scan on YouTube/Archive.org, as I do want to give everyone the opportunity to see it in some capacity.

My apologies if this leaves some people feeling disappointed, but it’s what I ultimately feel is the best course of action. I might find some way to get the scan out to more people in the future, but for now I’d like to keep things as lowkey as possible.

With that out of the way, Let’s discuss the scan itself! As far as funds go, we’re currently sitting at a little over $1400. I imagine this should be about as much as we need, so I’ve removed the donation link from the top post, but I may or may not intermittently accept a couple more (with proof of ownership of the film). I’ll be hard-capping us at around $1500, as I don’t think more than that will be necessary. Valeyard still has the print in Australia, and we’re hoping to get things moving sometime fairly soon, so stay tuned for further updates. I’ll send another OT-longer whenever I have more to share. Peace and love y’all! ✌🏻

~Tristan

The proof of ownership is a very good idea! Can’t wait to see more updates!

Trancelot said:

Venny said:

“No one owns anything that is shared here and this forum isn’t a place for piracy.”

What do you call sharing movies for which you don’t own the copyright, if not piracy?

“Please actually do research on this issue rather than simply accusing people of things such as claiming ownership of films.”

If they aren’t claiming ownership, then why are they mad they’re being shared. You can dance around and change words all you want, but it’s still technically piracy.

They are mad it’s being shared because it puts them at risk and they asked for it not to be shared. It’s their print or their scan. It’s not their movie, but like anyone deserving of respect, you shouldn’t do things without the person’s wishes first.

And like I said these threads are not about distributing films they are about scanning and preserving them. Distributing links does not happen in public forums and is actually against the rules of the forums. So again I ask you nicely to please do research before assuming this is a site for piracy

Trancelot said:

See No Evil said:

What’s the point in my spending evenings and weekends one after the next working on scans, sinking my own money to keep the project going, when you have all that going on?

Why do you do that? Are you doing it as a fun hobby for yourself, or are you doing it for your job? I’m sure the actual creators didn’t intend on you touching their work, but here you are claiming ownership of it. I just don’t understand being mad at someone sharing works they don’t own, when you’re doing it too. I get that you worked hard on your version, and that’s very cool, but you still don’t own that copyright. It’s not your IP to begin with.

I don’t have a dog in this fight, but I think both sides are being a little unreasonable about it all. OT and r/FanEdits are both channels where pirates share movies and series. How one group can act like they’re better than the other is beyond me.

No one owns anything that is shared here and this forum isn’t a place for piracy. Files from the scan are never a promise and people donate to preserve the films purely out of common interest. Most of the time the actual scans given are lower quality proxy files or encodes only to get an idea of what the print looks like and to be a bonus for helping on the project.

Please actually do research on this issue rather than simply accusing people of things such as claiming ownership of films. If you look at any project funded on these forums many people donate more than is ever required for helping these projects. Some donate 10 and some donate 70+. If people were simply coming here to buy encodes I’m sure everyone would be paying the lowest amount possible, but no people donate more because they want these scans to happen. They want these films preserved before they rot. That’s the goal. Not equating a fake value on video files like most of the people on the fanedits subreddit are doing by saying people here are “hoarders”

People justifying leaking scans don’t care about preservation. They don’t care about more of these scans happening and continuing to happen. They only care about the video file that comes from them. I like releasing the things I scan publically if I can, but there are obvious cases where it can’t happen because of multiple factors that SeeNoEvil listed.

That Reddit and the people leaking downloads are just a bunch of losers who want to steal the credit and the effort that people here and on other forums like StarWarsTrilogy put into making things like this a reality for small dopamine hits seeing people click upvotes. If whoever scanned what they leaked got into serious legal trouble they wouldn’t care and continue stealing and uploading

lakamosque said:

“Video unavailable
This video contains content from Lasso Group, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds”
Guess I’m gonna have to use a VPN?

Sadly yes. The movie was blocked thanks to a company called Lasso Group so many countries outside the US will not be able to watch it.

https://youtu.be/iAaabmic2pw
YouTube Premiere will begin on July 13th at 3 PM EST. I suggest setting a reminder if you want to see it live!

https://youtu.be/octCLWQqf1A
A little trailer 😉

You could just do a color grade of the Web source

This project has been put on hold indefinitely. I have found a 16mm print of the movie I am scanning which is open matte and has the same benefits as the LaserDisc. Will give more details hopefully sometime soon

I was looking at the clips on YouTube and it looks like you did some very strange degraining in post and added a frozen grain filter on top. What was the reasoning for doing this? It looks very smeary.