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#1021374
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Alderaan said:

Tyrphanax said:
The overarching point of the film was to explain how the plans got from the Empire to the Rebels (unless I watched the wrong movie or something), not to explain that the Death Star was sabotaged. No?

So the entire point of the movie was to explain stuff in another film?

I mean… yeah? I figured that would be pretty obvious from the plot that it wasn’t a character film and was an event film, but I guess it wasn’t, haha.

Like I’ve said a few times, this wasn’t Saving Private Ryan, it was Black Hawk Down. Characters were secondary to the events. They were there and they fulfilled their purposes to advance the story (sacrifice for a larger cause), but I never really expected it to focus on them.

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Alderaan said:

Tyrphanax said:

So the entire movie was about the McGuffin and some girl who was never mentioned and only appeared on screen for the last three or four seconds?

The overarching point of the film was to explain how the plans got from the Empire to the Rebels (unless I watched the wrong movie or something), not to explain that the Death Star was sabotaged. No?

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Alderaan said:

Tyrphanax said:

Alderaan said:

Tobar said:

They literally advocated for the removal of “that space battle $#@%.”

Can review shows jump the shark? =P

What’s wrong with that? I said the same thing in my review. The whole third act was ridiculous and eyerolling. The movie was over when Jyn’s father died. The writers screwed up and buried the climax in the middle of the second act!

How does that change what I said? The film was over when it was revealed Jyn’s father intentionally designed the death star with a flaw and then he died. There was no more story left to tell after that, because the first two acts were not about the Empire vs. The Rebel Alliance. They were about Jyn and her father and their stories. The rest of the **** was just tacked on.

The story is “how the Leia ended up with the plans” not “why the Death Star blew up so easily.”

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Alderaan said:

Tobar said:

They literally advocated for the removal of “that space battle $#@%.”

Can review shows jump the shark? =P

What’s wrong with that? I said the same thing in my review. The whole third act was ridiculous and eyerolling. The movie was over when Jyn’s father died. The writers screwed up and buried the climax in the middle of the second act!

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DominicCobb said:

Ugh oh, almighty RLM has spoken. Does this mean everyone has to change their opinions on the movie now?

It didn’t change my opinion.

They made decent points, but again, people are somehow missing the fact that Rogue One is not a character-focused film and that’s not the point of it.

Mike’s suggestion that Jyn and Cassian have a “sit-down” scene about Cassian’s backstory was terrible… isn’t that the kind of stuff they usually complain about? And it needed a love story? C’mon. Gimme a break.

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dahmage said:

I thought Vader was fine, apart from the fact that he wasn’t able to get aboard the Tantive IV. he was able to do that in the OT…

I think it’s important to note that Vader also doesn’t care about the Death Star as has been established in Star Wars and was re-established in Rogue One. Maybe it was less that he couldn’t get to the Rebel and more that he wasn’t too bothered about it.

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TV’s Frink said:

Possessed said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Tyrphanax said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

“I know” if it will be good or bad.

It will be bad.

pessimist.

But I do admit having a bad feeling about upcoming rule changes.

There was plenty of opportunity to keep things as they are. Now, it is what it is, and none of us can change it now.

We will adapt.

Indeed there was plenty of opportunity to keep things as they are right now, but it certainly wasn’t Warbler or Coffee or Bingo or 95% of the other posters here who needed to learn to straighten up and fly right in order to keep it that way.

I’m not ashamed of myself no matter what I’m labeled here.

What about “purple-headed ninny muffin”?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwMPZmtpWIE

Same thought.

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Jetrell Fo said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

“I know” if it will be good or bad.

It will be bad.

pessimist.

But I do admit having a bad feeling about upcoming rule changes.

There was plenty of opportunity to keep things as they are. Now, it is what it is, and none of us can change it now.

We will adapt.

Indeed there was plenty of opportunity to keep things as they are right now, but it certainly wasn’t Warbler or Coffee or Bingo or 95% of the other posters here who needed to learn to straighten up and fly right in order to keep it that way.

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Tobar said:

The unseen Star Wars archive footage used in Rogue One

“We went to Skywalker ranch, and there’s the archives there,” Edwards told RadioTimes.com.
“And as we’re walking around, and doing all the cool things and looking at the Millennium Falcon and trying on Han Solo’s jacket and things like that, in the back at the bottom was all these cans of film. And we said ‘what are they?’ and they said ‘Oh, it’s Star Wars.’

“And you go… ‘has someone gone through all this? And it’s like ‘not really, they’re not fully like digitised at all.’”
Sensing an opportunity, Edwards got his hands on the film negatives, and realised he had the perfect chance for a subtle homage in his hands.

“We got the neg documents and found the clips from A New Hope that hadn’t been used,” he recalled. “And there’s pilot photography and lines that were never featured in A New Hope."

Now that’s cool. And also a bit sad that they’re not “fully digitized.”

Wonder what cool stuff is on those reels…

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LuckyGungan2001 said:

I don’t get the argument that the characters didn’t get enough background, such as not knowing how Baze and Chrrut met. Who cares how they met? You never find out the backstory of Jules and Vincent in Pulp Fiction, and those characters are still terrific. Hell, you never find out the backstory for Han and Chewy, and those characters are loved by all.

I definitely agree. Like I said in an earlier post, people are judging the character development of a one-off movie with the character development in a trilogy of movies. We really know no more about Han, Leia, and Luke at the end of Star Wars than we do about Jyn, Cassian, Bodhi, Churrit, Baze, or K2 at the end of Rogue One.

But now think of how little we knew about Tarkin at the end of Star Wars and how fleshed out his character motivations are after Rogue One.

ZkinandBonez said:

I don’t really see why every character needs a backstory. When the whole point is to make a standalone movie where none of the characters will return in a sequel, the I don’t really see how backstory would be necessary unless directly related to the plot, e.g. Jyn’s relation to Galen.

I think RO can be fairly compared to movies like f.ex. John Carpenter’s The Thing in terms of how the characters are developed. What’s so brilliant about the writing of that film is that it never wastes any time explaining anyone’s backstory. All that we need to know about those characters are revealed to us through how they all cope with the same intense situation. There was never a “when I was a kid…” or “back home I was…” type of dialogue, all that we need to learn about their personalities comes from how they react to the crisis that is at the center film. That in my opinion is good economical writing. Granted, this method is not for every type of movie, but I think that this is the kind of story that RO tries to be. Which makes sense when you got a war movie focused on one specific threat and one specific important mission. RO isn’t really a “character film”, yet it still manages to explore several characters’ personalities and implied backgrounds based on how they behave throughout the story.

Also SW does have the benefit of having one of the most elaborate EUs in existence, so if you are just dying to know the life story of Chirrut or Bodhi, or any other character, I’m sure there’s going to be some novel or comic that will explore this at some point.

Exactly.

Anchorhead said:

The lack of backstory and deep character development is, to me, one of the stronger points of the movie. That said: I understand how some fans, many perhaps, may be disappointed or find it lacking. For the younger fans who came into the franchise at the Prequels, they’ve always had a Lucas-controlled series where every bit of minutia is backstoried and tied into the main narrative and characters. It’s exactly how Lucas shrunk the universe and turned it into “a solar system far far away”.

This isn’t a Lucas film. We don’t get to know the characters’ histories or why they may or may not know each other. That’s perfectly ok with me. In fact, I prefer it. Star Wars77 had all sorts of hinted- at pasts, but it didn’t get bogged down in explaining them. As someone mentioned earlier, we don’t know thing one about Han & Chewie, how they met, or how long they’ve been together. Yet they are wildly popular.

Sometimes people are who they are and don’t need an arc. The Rogue One team accepted a mission and they worked together to see it through. They didn’t take the mission for personal growth or to become The A Team. They had a job to do. I don’t know the story behind every person I work with every day (nor do I care). We have a common goal and we put in the work to accomplish it. We’re not growing. We’re working.

Exactly.

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Bobo Jameson said:

Tyrphanax said:

Much as I vehemently disagree with Mala’s often-repeated opinion on the post-Disney Star Wars films, I honestly don’t think he’s a troll asshole (he’s just wrong =P ). I just think he doesn’t like the movies. A shame, but definitely his right to do so.

It’s a shame you’ll probably be banned soon because you seem to be generally an okay guy, Bobo.

Well you have to admit that giving Rogue One a 0 out of 10 is just a little ridiculous. He goes on to say that Hacksaw Ridge is better. Two different movies, one is about fun with a little social commentary in it like how the good guys aren’t always saints without any blood on their hands and the other is a serious movie about a real-life war. His comparison of the two movies is laughable.

Oh no, I definitely agree it was definitely a trollbait hyperbolic score. But falling for the bait doesn’t help anyone or anything. =P

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Lord Haseo said:

MalàStrana said:
I wonder what you will really think of it in a few years when the hype is down, when you’re older…

TV’s Frink said:

Lord Haseo said:

  1. The Empire Strikes Back
  2. STAR WARS
  3. The Force Awakens
  4. Rogue One
  5. Return of The Jedi
  6. Revenge of The Sith
  7. The Phantom Menace
  8. Attack of The Clones

I can’t believe I live in a world in which there are enough good Star Wars films that I can have ROTJ be 5TH on my list. That’s pretty mind blowing.

Swap ROTS with TPM and (maybe) SW with ESB and that’s my ranking and reaction exactly.

I saw a snippet of the whole “No, it’s because I’m so in love with you” scene and I’m starting to regret putting ROTS > TPM

darthrush said:
When it comes to comparing The Force Awakens and Rogue One, it comes down to the characters. Rogue One has superior action and a more original story but Force Awakens has such endearing characters. Rey, Finn, Poe, and Kylo Ren are just amazing characters who I fell in love with and learned a surprisingly amount about (Rey and Finn, specifically). In Rogue One, I found Cassian and K2SO to be the only characters who could even compete with what Force Awakens gave me. I know a lot of people disliked Cassian, but I really appreciated his arc. Overall, I am VERY satisfied with what Disney has done so far. I will be there opening night for episode 8 with much excitement 😃

Nicely said man! I think they should have cut out Magic Stick Man and the other two lesser characters and just focused on Cassian, Jyn and K2S0. Not only would their dynamic be stronger it would also give these characters more time to be fleshed out. We could have walked away with a Jyn and Cassian that are as layered as Rey and Kylo. This is a sad turn of events because I want to like Rogue One a lot more than I do but I mostly watch Star Wars for the characters and that isn’t on point there is a threshold of enjoyment I can’t cross.

I thought Baze and Churrit were really compelling characters because of the implication of what they were. I think the grey areas of the Force are some of the most interesting aspects of the universe, so seeing guys who were basically non-Jedi Force-users was really cool.

But again, it was a Black Hawk Down and not a Saving Private Ryan type film, so character development wasn’t really the point of the exercise (as I said before, the main saga is about characters and how they effect the galaxy, whereas Rogue One is about the galaxy and how it affects the characters).

What they did do a fantastic job of was expanding the galaxy without shrinking it or doing anything over the top or stupid or badly. Everything they added felt like it had always been there, and that’s the true triumph of Rogue One as a cinematic addition to the Star Wars Galaxy in my mind.

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Much as I vehemently disagree with Mala’s often-repeated opinion on the post-Disney Star Wars films, I honestly don’t think he’s a troll asshole (he’s just wrong =P ). I just think he doesn’t like the movies. A shame, but definitely his right to do so.

It’s a shame you’ll probably be banned soon because you seem to be generally an okay guy, Bobo.

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DominicCobb said:

Jeebus said:

Was that lava planet Mustafar or Sullust?

Pablo Hidalgo confirmed the former.

Interested to hear an explanation as to why Vader’s spending his days on the planet where he lost his arm, legs, lungs, hair, perfect skin, and wife.

The visual is certainly cool though. Plus maybe Rebels reference - “Mustafar is where Jedi go to die.”

(and I don’t think Sullust would make sense anyway - why would the Rebel fleet mass around Vader’s hangout world?)

I like to think Palpatine built it for him as a gift and a bit of a cruel joke. It feels like something he’d do.