Tyrphanax

That’s depression. Have you considered talking to a professional?

You also have to take into account that a lot of stuff these days is shot purely for the trailers and has no bearing on the actual film

SilverWook said:

I presume the severe damage to Saw’s body was because of the Empire, and that drives his more ruthless style of rebellion. Remember, one of the Rebel leaders actually wants him assassinated and tasks Cassian to do the deed.

Cassian killing his informant was to keep him from talking and facilitate his own escape. I don’t think he wanted to do it, but the guy was freaking out, and didn’t leave him any choice. Do we need to see regret when James Bond kills someone? It’s part of the job description.

Er, weren’t they tasking Cassian to kill Galen, not Saw?

DominicCobb said:

Find active stuff that you love. Music is a great outlet.

Your life is what you make it. It’s easy to hate the life you have. But you just have to know that there’s always the possibility of a happier life out there and, as much of a bitch as it is, you have to work for it.

Exactly.

Yep. They’re good stuff!

You gotta get into some kinda support thing, man. It’s hard to do on your own. Hit up AA or some kinda other group thing where people who are going through the same thing as you are can help.

For what it’s worth, though, I think it’s less that there’s no outlet, it’s just that you haven’t discovered a new, healthy one yet. I always go right to suggesting exercise, but there are other things. Just a thought.

Hang in there, man. It’s not worth giving up.

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bishabosha said:

Back to the topic of Giacchino’s score, I found this bridge at 3:30 in “Tales of a Jedi Knight/Learn About The Force” from the Star Wars '77 soundtrack, it’s exactly the Jyn Erso theme from RO, take a listen:

https://youtu.be/soNidwqk1U4?t=3m30s

Personally, I think that section sucks as a main theme, it’s too simplistic, but it does sound like it was actually a callback to the original score for ANH.

Edit: It seems someone in the YouTube comments beat me to it

That’s pretty cool. I’ve seen people point out that Jyn’s theme is based in Dies Irae, which makes sense because there are a few direct quotations of it throughout the RO score, and of course SW before it (especially during Burning Homestead). I guess I never noticed it but that bit^ is definitely based in Dies Irae, which makes sense because it’s when Luke is rejecting his fate/destiny (which is of course flipped in the aforementioned Burning Homestead scene).

Yeah they mention both of these in the podcast linked awhile back. It’s very cool stuff, and amazing to think Giacchino was able to make it in four weeks. I’d never have been able to come up with little homages and references like that in a year.

Oh interesting. I was worried it’d just be some dudes talking about which music was “memorable” and “hummable” or something. Might have to check it out.

As for Giacchino, he said in an interview something about his brother I think encouraged him to take the job because he’s been writing it in his head for the last 40 years. So in some ways I feel like the homages might have been the easy part. Still, an amazing feat.

It’s really worth a listen. I don’t often post links like that so I make sure they’re actually worthwhile first hahaha.

Cool. I have heard good things but I guess I’m just skeptical in general (especially of SW podcasts, of which there are far too many). Will probably take a listen soon.

Report: solid listen. That one guy knows his stuff. It’s one thing to point out themes, but it’s another thing to do a technical, musical breakdown from an actual musician. That’s not something I have much knowledge of, so it’s very cool to hear (and I love that he has a piano for demonstration). Very interested to find out what he has to say about the TFA soundtrack.

You’ll be happy to learn there’s a four-part series on it!

http://www.rebelforceradio.com/shows/2015/12/30/star-wars-oxygen-vol-25-the-force-awakens-part-1

Perfect.

I’ve just started it. Also there’s a separate entry that goes into the musical influences of the soundtrack.

Possessed said:

Wasn’t really a joke. It being posted directly after a complaint of all the deaths in 2016 is a complete and unintentional coincidence. But I’m sorry anyway.

This makes me sad.

DominicCobb said:

DominicCobb said:

Tyrphanax said:

DominicCobb said:

Tyrphanax said:

DominicCobb said:

bishabosha said:

Back to the topic of Giacchino’s score, I found this bridge at 3:30 in “Tales of a Jedi Knight/Learn About The Force” from the Star Wars '77 soundtrack, it’s exactly the Jyn Erso theme from RO, take a listen:

https://youtu.be/soNidwqk1U4?t=3m30s

Personally, I think that section sucks as a main theme, it’s too simplistic, but it does sound like it was actually a callback to the original score for ANH.

Edit: It seems someone in the YouTube comments beat me to it

That’s pretty cool. I’ve seen people point out that Jyn’s theme is based in Dies Irae, which makes sense because there are a few direct quotations of it throughout the RO score, and of course SW before it (especially during Burning Homestead). I guess I never noticed it but that bit^ is definitely based in Dies Irae, which makes sense because it’s when Luke is rejecting his fate/destiny (which is of course flipped in the aforementioned Burning Homestead scene).

Yeah they mention both of these in the podcast linked awhile back. It’s very cool stuff, and amazing to think Giacchino was able to make it in four weeks. I’d never have been able to come up with little homages and references like that in a year.

Oh interesting. I was worried it’d just be some dudes talking about which music was “memorable” and “hummable” or something. Might have to check it out.

As for Giacchino, he said in an interview something about his brother I think encouraged him to take the job because he’s been writing it in his head for the last 40 years. So in some ways I feel like the homages might have been the easy part. Still, an amazing feat.

It’s really worth a listen. I don’t often post links like that so I make sure they’re actually worthwhile first hahaha.

Cool. I have heard good things but I guess I’m just skeptical in general (especially of SW podcasts, of which there are far too many). Will probably take a listen soon.

Report: solid listen. That one guy knows his stuff. It’s one thing to point out themes, but it’s another thing to do a technical, musical breakdown from an actual musician. That’s not something I have much knowledge of, so it’s very cool to hear (and I love that he has a piano for demonstration). Very interested to find out what he has to say about the TFA soundtrack.

You’ll be happy to learn there’s a four-part series on it!

http://www.rebelforceradio.com/shows/2015/12/30/star-wars-oxygen-vol-25-the-force-awakens-part-1

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Tyrphanax said:

doubleofive said:

Now I’m mostly jealous about how much better his costume is than mine was:

Some things never change. I love this picture.

What about mine!!1!

I think I went as Jedi Luke around 97 so we’re at odds.

JawsTDS said:

RO’s soundtrack isn’t the best – but I’ve really come to like the “Imperial” and “Guardian of the Whills” suite. And of course, “Hope” is great. The sheer terror of Vader is encompassed all in one track. Very happy they didn’t use the “Imperial March” motif here…

Agreed. It would have been so easy to slap Imperial March on it and call it “good” but I’m glad they didn’t.

Heartrending.

So, as I’ve said a few times before, I’ve been going through the Iron Man reading list on the Complete Marvel Reading Order website because I’ve only relatively recently gotten into superheroes and comics thanks to the MCU, and I wanted to learn more about the origins of my favorite character.

I’ve been enjoying the list so far, and I’ve been meaning to get into reviews for the issues as I read them but I’m lazy. I won’t go into back reviews of the 60s, suffice to say it has been really enjoyable to see the origins of so many key Marvel characters and the evolution of the Avengers and the art and the costumes.

Anyway. My latest issue was:

The Avengers Vol. 1 80

Iron Man is just a bit part in here, but we get a neat look at Red Wolf, who is a Native American hero who allies himself with the Avengers on a quest for, well, vengeance.

It’s always been interesting to see how progressive these comics have been so far. I mean, sure they’re tied to their time in terms of language and the overarching thoughts of the day, and they definitely make me laugh with their quaint views on gender and some aspects of race, but Tony Stark made Eddie March (a black man) Iron Man for awhile. T’Challa and Wanda Maximov are respected members of the Avengers. Bill Foster was just as capable a scientist as Hank Pym. Carol Danvers holds a high office. Red Wolf so far has been given better than the “noble savage” treatment. It’s just very interesting to see.

JawsTDS said:

Debbie Reynolds (Fisher’s mother) has been rushed to the hospital; possible stroke is the cause. Best of wishes for the family at this grave hour.

http://www.tmz.com/2016/12/28/debbie-reynolds-hospitalized-stroke/

Oh for fuck’s sake.

Can we not have one day?!

Alderaan said:

I think it would have also been far superior from a dramatic standpoint if there were some healthy skepticism in the film concerning the Death Star’s threat. Seeing a good contingent of the Rebels actually doubt that the Empire was capable of such a military threat, even dismissing it, would have been welcome. We have countless examples of how brilliantly that kind of drama worked in the originals, including not only Han’s skepticism of the Force, but also General Tagge’s skepticism in the conference room on the Death Star.

There is a whole scene where the Rebel council more or less dismisses Jyn’s claim that there is a Death Star and even if there was, what could they even do about it.

Possessed said:

I don’t do caffeine at all though, gives me anxiety.

Not even soda.

doubleofive said:

Now I’m mostly jealous about how much better his costume is than mine was:

Some things never change. I love this picture.

Tobar said:

We have our very first anthology film and people are already complaining about fatigue.

To be fair we already have people who were excited for a movie that would break away from what we usually know as Star Wars who are now saying it wasn’t enough like the extant films.

Tobar said:

No, Tarkin is definitely integral to the story of the Death Star and his role in the film was great if you don’t get hung up on the CG or voice.

Agreed. I was glad to see him in the story as much as he was. I think they had to walk a fine line with Tarkin in the film, too, because too little of him (or just references and back-of-head shots) and it would have seemed like he just came out of nowhere in ANH, and too much would have been gratuitous and would have stepped on Krennic’s character. As it was, I think they did a great job establishing that he was involved in the construction and development, and did a great job at expanding him into a bit of a ruthless gloryhound which made it believable when he took command from Krennic.

Dammit. I’m gonna cry at the end of Episode VIII, aren’t I?

Tobar said:

They’re literally the longest running Star Wars podcast. Used to be the Forcecast before the people that run TFN ran them off. So they set off on their own and rebranded as RebelForceRadio. They’ve been doing it so long they have tons of connections inside Lucasfilm and get lots of great interviews and inside information. Just recently they’ve even been tasked with official hosting duties at the stateside Celebration conventions.

Yeah, RFR is generally a pretty decent podcast for these reasons. They’re pretty much the unofficial official Star Wars podcast.

LuckyGungan2001 said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO_qBuMrrKM&t=94s

Wow. I don’t like memes, and this takes a particularly strange one to a whole new level of pointlessness. No wonder the channel is named Gratuitous.

Yeah this is apparently a massive thing for Millennials and Plurals to do with their time now. I don’t get it.

People point to the Thrawn Trilogy as the best EU ever but they’re really not amazing, if I’m honest.

Mara is annoying, Thrawn and Kaarde are big 'ol Gary Stus, C’baoth is insane and yet everyone trusts him for far longer than they should, the Noghri and Ysalamiri are awful. Really the only good thing about them is Zahn did a decent job writing the Big Three without making them crappy caricatures, Pallaeon is cool, and the story is overall interesting.

thelionslicer said:

I like to think I have a unique perspective on this movie as far as this forum goes because this was my first Star Wars movie. A friend of mine bought me a ticket to the midnight premier last year and even though I thought it was going to be really bad I said “what the hell” and saw it anyway. In the end though, I absolutely loved it. This movie got me watching the rest of the Star Wars movies in a way the prequels, which came out when I was very young with ROTS coming out when I was 9, could not. I saw scenes from those movies in passing whenever they were on TV and they made me think Star Wars was some terrible sci-fi series that I had absolutely no interest in.

Before the movie I knew a few things. I knew who Luke, Han and Leia were and I knew that Starkiller was a recycled Death Star. I also knew Darth Vader died in Episode VI and that he was burned. “The garbage will do” line completely missed me. I had no idea why everyone was laughing but it’s pretty great in retrospect.

The film is fast paced. The characters are really likeable and the acting is good. I made a Facebook post when I got home saying something like “The Force Awakens is really good for most of the movie but the last 30 minutes are fantastic” and I still definitely believe that. The special effects are truly top notch and I really just remember being like “I need to get into Star Wars now.”

So I’m actually glad they kinda just redid Episode IV for this movie because it was the perfect way for someone like me to get interested in Star Wars. In retrospect I wish they hadn’t made another Death Star but overall it was a damn good film. I think I like the original trilogy better now but it’s definitely up there as a great film for me. Long story short, I immediately wanted to see Episode VIII and I think in the end, as long as the rest of this trilogy is up to this quality or better, this will be my favorite Star Wars trilogy because it will be “my” Star Wars. This movie is essentially what Star Wars is to me and feels more like what Star Wars means to me than the originals even though I think I like those better.

Anyway, really wordy post, but yeah those are my thoughts.

Great post, and an interesting perspective! I’m glad you found your way into Star Wars somehow.

thelionslicer said:

DominicCobb said:

Nice post. I’ve always felt that TFA was designed very carefully to not only please young and old fans, but to welcome new fans as well. So, welcome!

Thanks for the welcome! I’ve found the people here on this forum are much nicer and maybe a little more realistic than the people in the Facebook group I was a part of. So many people on there saying if you don’t like the prequels that you aren’t a real fan and a bunch of people shouting about how much they hate The Force Awakens. Like god damn no one can like anything there.

Sorry you were part of a group like that. Real "True Fans"™ don’t generally trash other people for what aspects of the franchise they enjoy. Hopefully we live up to your “much nicer” assessment, haha.

Hope you stick around!

Bubba J said:

Luuke
Luuuke
Luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuke

DuracellEnergizer said:

^I’m not familiar with those last two clones.

Frank your Majesty said:

They all live at the Lars Farm.

Made me lol. I had the same thought as Frank. Good one, Frank.

DominicCobb said:

Tyrphanax said:

DominicCobb said:

bishabosha said:

Back to the topic of Giacchino’s score, I found this bridge at 3:30 in “Tales of a Jedi Knight/Learn About The Force” from the Star Wars '77 soundtrack, it’s exactly the Jyn Erso theme from RO, take a listen:

https://youtu.be/soNidwqk1U4?t=3m30s

Personally, I think that section sucks as a main theme, it’s too simplistic, but it does sound like it was actually a callback to the original score for ANH.

Edit: It seems someone in the YouTube comments beat me to it

That’s pretty cool. I’ve seen people point out that Jyn’s theme is based in Dies Irae, which makes sense because there are a few direct quotations of it throughout the RO score, and of course SW before it (especially during Burning Homestead). I guess I never noticed it but that bit^ is definitely based in Dies Irae, which makes sense because it’s when Luke is rejecting his fate/destiny (which is of course flipped in the aforementioned Burning Homestead scene).

Yeah they mention both of these in the podcast linked awhile back. It’s very cool stuff, and amazing to think Giacchino was able to make it in four weeks. I’d never have been able to come up with little homages and references like that in a year.

Oh interesting. I was worried it’d just be some dudes talking about which music was “memorable” and “hummable” or something. Might have to check it out.

As for Giacchino, he said in an interview something about his brother I think encouraged him to take the job because he’s been writing it in his head for the last 40 years. So in some ways I feel like the homages might have been the easy part. Still, an amazing feat.

It’s really worth a listen. I don’t often post links like that so I make sure they’re actually worthwhile first hahaha.

I was just impressed that he made the music feel like ANH without directly copying it. It just slid right into the universe perfectly (in my opinion). I’ve said it before, but certain parts of the soundtrack sound like stuff that Williams did for ANH that got cut.