Tyrphanax

DuracellEnergizer said:

captainsolo said:

I revisited TPM, and have now jumped back into my EU collection.

Jedi Apprentice #1. This is the reason I don't despise the Prequels completely. The single best thing to come out of Ep. I-III. In this first book, 13 year old Obi-Wan is being thrown out of the Jedi Temple. He has reached the age where not being taken as an apprentice can no longer become a Jedi. He is to be a farmer.

Yes it's a kids book. It's better than most if not all the post Zahn adult EU. Still reads well today.

It works, it feels like Star Wars, the characters are well developed, and it only gets better. Book #2 pits Qui-Gon against his former apprentice who turned to the Dark side...these books really get darker as they go along, with surprising plot turns and virtually every bit of Obi-Wan's character is born then scrutinized then developed. Qui-Gon's past, war, turmoil, love interests, siege, genocide, depression, resignation, society, slavery and the list goes on...

And in the end of Book #1, Obi-Wan still has an uncertain future! Pre-OT tension? Yay!

Heck, I'm gonna re-read all 20. Damn well written, fun books. The first one has a different author than the other 19, so it's a bit rougher. 2-20 are exceptional.

10 training lightsabers out of 10 conniving Hutts, Togorian pirates and Yoda schemes.

 

I read most of these books back in the day, and really liked them. Most of them were written before the worst prequelisms from AOTC & ROTS were established, which adds to their appeal.

Yeah, these books were really underappreciated. Probably the young adult stigma, but they really go a long way towards making TPM-era Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon very interesting characters. They really changed the way I look at the characters now for the better.

They aren't the worst things ever.

Thanks Tobes. I got them mixed up there.

I love this. Back when film sets looked real because they were real.

They're okay if you ignore the bad stuff and take the premise.

Also not bad as mindless action romps.

Mrebo said:

xhonzi said:

Bester said:

11) "I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine" and then........nothing.

I spent a few minutes searching because I recall a decent conversation on this point a little while ago. Not finding it, I will quickly summarize:

Ben's death catalyzes Luke. That's what he meant, and that definitely came true.

It's an interesting point but I always thought it was even simpler than that. By more powerful, I always assumed Obi Wan was telling Vader that he will survive death and have greater but unknown influence through the Force. I never expected anything to happen. It's an insightful point that one way this could be accomplished was by catalyzing Luke - though that could have been done even if we never heard from Obi Wan again. Obi Wan did become more powerful after death (even if don't don't know exactly what he does all day in spirit form).

I don't get the confusion as expressed by Bester. In the OT, the Force wasn't about overt showing of powers. It was a force that helped guide one's actions. One could harness it to do amazing things - lifting a ship, for example - but that was never the main use of the Force. I never thought Obi Wan was going to turn into a flaming dragon and rise from his robes after Vader smote him or show up in ROTJ and throw the Emperor down the shaft. What I loved about the OT was the mystical nature of the Force. When Obi Wan told Vader "more powerful than you can possibly imagine" I thought he literally meant it.

Which is one of the most annoying inconsistencies of the PT: Jedi are superheroes constantly levitating things, sometimes speed running, and performing other superhuman feats. In the more quiet moments we learn about Midichlorians.

This.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

"I saw security footage of Anakin.......... KILLING YOUNGLINGS!"

I'm sorry but for some reason, Ewan McGregor's delivery of this just seemed flat out awful to me, which is surprising since he's a good actor. He seems to put his hand on his mouth to smother a laugh, like he's thinking "Why am I saying this?" Natalie Portman's reaction is a bit much as well. It seems like something out of a sitcom where you're supposed to laugh since the character's flat out lying.

This, a million times.

For an actor who did a pretty consistent good job throughout the PT, this is his absolute worst line. I remember hearing it in the theater and thinking,

Are you fucking serious?

It was the hammiest line ever and it completely devalued whatever that child murder scene had going for it storywise.

While I'm not sure about the whole vandalism aspect, I certainly would love to have a shirt or stickers or fliers with this on it.

I could distribute them all around the ASU campus!

xhonzi said:

 

TV's Frink said:

Not banned:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-Empire-Strikes-Back-The-Vintage-Edit/post/289330/#TopicPost289330

Oh, he's not banned. At least, not yet.

Sluggo said:

YOU know him?!?!?

Of course I know him. He's me!

 

POTD

Ford delivers a couple of lines kinda flatly. Like a big jumble of words with no punctuation. Notably:

"This baby still has a few surprises left in her sweetheart"

Slow down! "For God's sake, punctuate!"

They'll put R2 in there somewhere.

TK-949 said:

 

Tyrphanax said:

At the risk of being shot dead, there are a lot of PT-era books when, taken in context with the films, really go a long way towards explaining a lot of the things that were poorly handled in the PT.

I didn't read those books, but it's the same with "The Clone Wars". "The Clone Wars" is what the Prequels should have been.

 

So true. I am totally looking forward to Season IV. Holycrapdeathwatch.

TK-949 said:

 

Bingowings said:

Jarring modern parlance in a fantasy realm is always a problem.

Padme calling children, "kids" doesn't work where as Han calling Luke, "Kid" does.

Cliegg Lars referring to his wife as his "partner" doesn't work either.

This is meant to be a long time ago in a galaxy, far, far away not the a cheap daytime soap or a bit of office gossip. 

 

The German version is even worse. As Cliegg tells them, that he can't ride anymore, because of his leg, or better, it's absence, he says (in German) he "couldn't ride a horse".
I couldn't help it but shouting through the theatre "What's a horse???"

 

Sadly...

Also I noticed this hadn't been mentioned yet:

"How many times have I told you to stay away from the power couplings!"

LOL REFERENCE TO TPM WHEN ANAKIN TELLS JAR JAR THAT AND NOW HE IS THE ONE IN THE POWER COUPLINGS! ACTUAL LITERAL HUMOUR!

Edit: Oh wait. It was. I thought I remembered reading it on here before. OH WELL.

The Holiday Special isn't bad in the sense that Life Day is a bad concept or anything, it's just executed like shit and it really shows. The budget was probably pocket lint and we all know it was rushed harder than Usain Bolt.

Midichlorians, however, were in a huge budgeted full-length feature film that people worked a long time on and "perfected." There's no excuse for that.

Please imagine that I used an image editing program to splice an oscillating fan in place of the head of a small boy.

Frink, you are not the boss of me.

*hands on hips, meanie face*

His name is Matthew Wood, I believe. And yes, he did the Chad Vader stuff. He was Vader in The Force Unleashed series most notably.

He's alright. No James Earl Jones. I can always tell when it's Wood. He has some... quality to his voice, like it's a little more from the top of the throat than the bottom. It irks me, but whatever. It's nice to see that Lucas isn't above hiring people who are just fans purely because they're fans.

At the risk of being shot dead, there are a lot of PT-era books when, taken in context with the films, really go a long way towards explaining a lot of the things that were poorly handled in the PT.

"I CAN'T LEAVE HER!"

But obviously they're "just friends."

Blu-Ray will probably include Original Chewie edited out and replaced with Prequel Chewie.

skyjedi2005 said:

Sort of reminds me of Ralph's early design for Jabba's place which was reused in that horrible animated clone wars movie.

You're a horrible animated Clone Wars movie.

Portman is like Felicia Day to me. Sometimes she's hot, and then you see her from another angle and it's "OH JESUS CHRIST WHAT IS THAT HIDEOUS BEING."

...there are a lot of famous women like that to me, to be honest.

I keep accidentally clicking on the politics thread and it's getting annoying because I see snippets of things that make me angry in there.

OT.com OT wouldn't like me when I'm angry.

Tolkien just rambles on and on a lot of the time about really boring and unnecessary detail and extrapolation. Not to mention the forty-five million three-page tuneless songs in every book. Ugh. And the grammar is lacking, as is the sentence structure. I just find myself feeling like I'm slogging through a mire of jumbled words and it hurts my brain.

The posted passage is good, but for every good passage he writes, there are ten passages that make me want to fall asleep and never wake up.

I barely finished FOTR over the span of months. I didn't get that far into TTT over the span of months. It was like pulling teeth. Any book that I'm finding excuses not to pick up again are bad in my... er... book.

Anyway. I'm reading Goldfinger, currently. This version:

I also have that same version of Thunderball, which I'll probably read next.

Goddamn JediTemple.