TylerDurden389

Are screenshots of the releases allowed here? I'd love to know the Terminator's original color timing was.

SilverWook said:

There is a full frame Top Gun DVD out there.

 Thanks for letting me know. Imma look it up right now.

I think the VHS of Top Gun is open matte. As one of my favorite movies ever, I watched it a million times as a kid. So certain little unimportant things are burned into my memory.

I bought the movie on DVD around 2006 or so and knew something was wrong right from the opening Paramount logo. I noticed certain things from the top and bottom were missing but wasn't 100% sure. The part that confirmed it for me was when Tom Cruise and Tom Skerritt are walking and talking about how Maverick's father died, and I couldn't see Tom's cowboy boots when the camera pulled back.

So I rebought it on vhs. The scene where Mav and Goose say the "Need For Speed" line shows them completely from head to toe. The "widescreen" dvd cuts off their knees and the top of Anthony Edwards head. The "widescreen" blu-ray cuts them off at the waists, and cuts off Edwards head completely.

I've also noticed a bit of "zoom" for the opening credits of The Terminator (still have that on vhs as well).

Well, as long as it's only maintenance related and not legal matters. I'm just a little sad cuz one of my favorite editors just got back into his latest project that he had taken like a 2 year break from.

Yay!! I won.

No Ralph. This means you're failing English.

Me fail English? That's unpossible!!

(Oh and thanks for clearing that up, literally. The new pic of the breakfast scene looks much better :) )

The blacks looks WAAAY too crushed in the 3rd pic (Breakfast table scene).

Slightly OT but I'm gonna say it anyway. Supposedly, the reason for the sound effects change for the DVD and blu of Terminator 1 was James Cameron wanting the sound of the film to sound more like Terminator 2.

I want a completely re-done soundtrack and sound mix of Terminator 2 that matches the theatrical/mono mix of Terminator 1 :D

AntcuFaalb said:

TylerDurden389 said:

AntcuFaalb said:

That looks to me like they just scanned and didn't do any of the post grading, TylerDurden389.

 I don't understand.

I'm assuming that the show was shot on film and I'm guessing that those heavily-blue-tinted shots were done in post-production to a video master in preparation for broadcast and that this was not done when the film was scanned in preparation for a home video release.

 Ah ok. I got it. You're probably right, and quite frankly I hope you are, but there's been a lot of debate from me with others about whether or not Vice was shot on film. Considering it's budget AND it's notoriety, I'm pretty much convinced it was. However, people have told me it's possible it wasn't. The aspect ratio debate is the reason for this. "Where are the widescreen prints?" is the point that gets argued the most. There was an HD broadcast of the pilot some time ago, but the supposed "widescreen" was just them cropping to fill in the sides. I've checked the footage on youtube and compared.

However, some have told me that it's possible the show was shot on film WITH a 4:3 AR. I really, really hope they're wrong. This is one tv show that would benefit immensely from a widescreen presentation.

AntcuFaalb said:

That looks to me like they just scanned and didn't do any of the post grading, TylerDurden389.

 I don't understand.

In this thread you'll see that they changed some of the color for the DVDs of Miami Vice. Considering the show's "look", and how it's still well known to this day, 30 years later,  you can imagine how criminal it is to change the colors of the show.

First the thread: http://www.miamiviceonline.com/index.php/topic/2278-what-happened-to-the-originl-mv-colors/page-3

Now the caps:

DVD:

VHS/Broadcast:

DVD:

VHS/Broadcast:

Someone should email the seller and ask if it's the uncut version.

StarThoughts said:

PDB said:

Nothing wrong with a film looking of its time. 

Films should look (and sound) of their time.

THANK YOU so much for doing this!! I had never seen this movie in its entirety until now because when I was younger I thought it looked rather boring, and cheesy. Now it's pretty much my favorite John Carpenter (and possibly Kurt Russell) movie. I've already watched it 4 times.

It's amazing how spectacular blu-ray can look when it isn't pummeled to death with different color timing, DNR, incorrect aspect ratios, et al.

Oh, and the reason this isn't my favorite is cuz watching this got me hyped enough to check out another Carpenter/Russell classic I'd only seen bits and pieces of...BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA. I was HOWLING for the entire run-time. Definitely the most fun Carpenter film for me.

And like Rambo, Tyler Durden, Travis Bickle, and a few others, Snake Plissken is now one of my favorite fictional characters (What can I say? I've always identified with the loners).

I can't figure this out either.

I'd honestly love to hear the conversation in the editing room. It's such a ridiculous and unnecessary edit. What could possible have been said to make that happen?

"I never liked the horn sound when Kyle and Sarah are dropped off".

"We can fix it James".

What was the official statement about the change in gunshot sounds anyway? Something about making the guns sound more like they did in part 2? I think I read that somewhere but can't confirm. Not for nothing, shouldn't continuity mean that the gunshots in 2 should sound more like 1? Similarly, instead of making the matrix more green so it looks like the sequels, that should be the other way around as well.

Beber said:

TylerDurden389 said:

Beber said:

OK, Tyler. Then, if it's technically possible, one could also restore the things you said on top of the original gunshots, right?

 I hope so. Look, I'd love a 5.1 mix of the mono track just as much as everyone else. I'm only stating that's it's more than just the obvious stuff like the gunshot sound FX. It's probably a bunch of things that none of us have noticed like the sounds of cars slamming into each other during the chase scenes, new scream sound effects in the b.g during the big shootout at the station, and I don't think anyone has ever mentioned the new explosion sound effect when Kyle makes the Terminator a'splode.

 OK, but come on, not everything is garbage in that 5.1 mix. Like most people, I don't mind the new explosion sounds and other stuff. I'm just talking about the obvious annoyances: the gunshots that are well known, especially the Terminator's gun with laser sighting and the one near the end when he's on the bike, shooting in the rearview mirror. Maybe also the shootout in Tech Noir and the music stuff in the prologue you mentioned, that I had not notice. Just like you, I wish we could have a 5.1 or 7.1 mix, like the one on Jaws, created with original sound elements. But that ain't gonna happen. So if someone could make an in-between custom mix, that would be very cool.

 I understand where you're coming from, and I'm sure if I did a side-by-side comparison, I'd probably find certain new sound effects that I prefer (like the aforementioned explosion) but there's so many different fan edits of the Star Wars special editions since everyone has their own individual tastes of which new stuff works and what doesn't, that's it's just a nightmare to keep up with. So for me, an "all or nothing" type of deal is the only realistic way to go. But FWIW, if someone DID re-intergate the proper gunshots and explosions, but kept everything else with the 5.1, I'd be ok with that to.

Beber said:

OK, Tyler. Then, if it's technically possible, one could also restore the things you said on top of the original gunshots, right?

 I hope so. Look, I'd love a 5.1 mix of the mono track just as much as everyone else. I'm only stating that's it's more than just the obvious stuff like the gunshot sound FX. It's probably a bunch of things that none of us have noticed like the sounds of cars slamming into each other during the chase scenes, new scream sound effects in the b.g during the big shootout at the station, and I don't think anyone has ever mentioned the new explosion sound effect when Kyle makes the Terminator a'splode.

Eh for me it's more than the gun sound effects. During the opening in the future, the synths are missing in the 5.1, you only hear the ambiance (specifically the shot of the unnamed solider running). During the part when Kyle and Sarah escape the police station I don't think I could hear the main synths (the sounds that give the scene a sense of urgency) but I gotta double check on that. And during the end of the last chase when Sarah runs over the Terminator, I can't hear the "mechanical noise" as the truck flips over (when Sarah screams). Instead I hear music that I've never noticed before (the loud drums).

That's just off the top of my head. This is one of my top 5 movies ever, and having watched it probably over 700 times (I was born in '84), as well as someone who has an eye and ear for this sorta thing (even as a child I could point out things like bloopers and stuff) I can say for sure that the problems with the 5.1 mix go way beyond simply the new gunshot sound effects.

That being said, I d-loaded this and browsed through it yesterday and I noticed in certain shots that the teal look is still there. Towards the end of the first chase, during the part when Kyle is getting away from the other police car, one shot looked teal then the next shot following it immediately had a natural palette (extinguishing my doubts as to whether this was how it was supposed to look). Thankfully though this video doesn't close halfway through when Sarah finds out her friends are dead.

A cut list for both versions would be nice, as opposed to vague "this theatrical version has a bit more Donner stuff" and "this Donner version has a bit more theatrical stuff" (not to mention a cutlist is easier to read than a paragraph).

Sorry for my attitude, the reason I'm so anal about it is cuz I made my own fan edit of Superman 2 around 4-6 years ago, and went through 7 drafts. My cut was mostly all the "best of" edit ideas from every edit made (at the time) all pooled together to make my own personal "definitive version" (I included Selutron's clips as well, though I did my own further edits to his scenes), as well my own edits that no one else has done (I used a lot of stuff from the tv edit that neither the theatrical or Donner cut have, though it's mostly audio overdubs since there were better line readings and music cues). So this vague description doesn't cut it for me, I need intricate details, lol.

I am definitely checking these out. I joined the fan edit community a few months after the release of The Donner Cut and can honestly say that I've seen *pretty much* every fan edit of Superman 2. However, this will be the first one I see in HD. Can't wait!!

Btw, has any color correction been done? I hate how the blu-rays suffer from the teal push that all the classics seem to be getting on blu these days. The Superman films are the worse offender of course since his costume is supposed to be blue lol.

The file has your name in the title (kk650) and the audio options are English DTS 2.1 (und) and English DTS 5.1 (English).

 Ugh, now I don't know what to think anymore. Is this real life? Haha, but seriously for whatever reason right after I posted my original post about "just getting this one instead" somehow I knew I was opening a can of worms.

Guys I apologize for the confusion, but after further thought I'm almost certain I got my copy from tehparadox, not myspleen. As for the freeze halfway through, I have only watched it on vlc.

Flexicon9 said:

kk650's version on the spleen is quite good.  Excellent sound and beautifully restored video.  Just a note, there's a slight glitch at the 50+ minute mark when Sarah's at the police station speaking with Lt. Traxler.  It freezes there and you have to work around it.  Just FYI, and without question it's a damn good presentation.  The 2.1 HD audio is remarkable.

 ME TO!!!  Wow, I am so glad you said that. I thought it was just me. I thought it did that cuz I didn't DL the whole thing in one sitting.

Yeah, I have the 8gb one. I didn't know either. I know there's a few edits of T1 floating around. Gets hard to keep track sometimes.