Turisu

Hoping your script picks me up too. 😃

Looks great. Those shots of the queen look so good I could frame them!

On the close-up of the queen’s jaws; is that shot really that desaturated on the LD?

Seriously looking forward to the theatrical cut. Thanks for the update. 😃

There is some pretty good discussion here as to the changes to various home video versions. It would be interesting to see which of these are present in the WOWOW.

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Raiders-of-the-lost-ark-bluray-and-colour-timing-changes/id/15361/page/13

My only argument for using the BD as a source rather than the WOWOW is that the BD restores several original shots that remain digitally altered in the WOWOW. Such as the sea-plane matte painting and the red “travelling line” sequence (I’m sure there are other examples but these are the only two that come to mind).

Conversely, the lamp that Indy and Marion are tied to in the opening of the ark sequence was digitally illuminated in the BD whereas it should be off. Not sure whether the WOWOW has the lamp on or off.

Perhaps just a few replacement shots from the BD would be best overall.

Just an idea; Could DrDre’s algorithm be used to recolor the BD using these stills as a source?

I suppose there’s nothing to suggest that the fire at the Lars homestead wasn’t the result of a tragic cabbage/blender malfunction.

joefavs said:

I feel the need to acknowledge your signature in some way. Wonderful. Bravo.

Thanks for noticing. 😄

I’m sure I’ve said it before but thank you again, Harmy. Thanks to you, tonight I was able to show Star Wars as I remember it to my fiancee (who is also carrying my son so hopefully he caught some of it too 😄).

Her only complaint was the lack of female characters. I quote:
“The only other female was the aunt and all she did was put some cabbage in a blender and then got killed!”

Lol. Great evening. 😃

Didn’t the Bluray restore certain elements that were “fixed” in earlier releases such as the WOWOW? I’m talking about things like the matte lines around the sea-plane. If so then it would be better to use the Bluray as the source for a regrade.

Is anybody with the know-how interested in colour-correcting these? All that beautiful recovered detail with the awful GOUT colours seems like a crime.

Either Harmy's or TeamBlu's versions could be used as a reference as both have much improved colours.

IIRC from past 35mm stills I've seen, some of the CGI shots aren't 1:33:1 so the aspect ratio would be inconsistent. Still, I'd love to see a fully open-matte version just for curiosity value. :)

Looks good. Although the top shot still seems a little too pink. It should be more of a golden brown.

While the daytime scenes in the 3DBD appear to be a close match to the 35mm print, the night scenes have had almost all the blue removed. 35mm stills have shown that the strong blue cast was always present in the night scenes, just not to the degree that the 2DBD pushes it.

Does the German T1 transfer have cigarette burns?

If this is indeed sourced from a theatrical print then it can't be ignored as a reference. Given the aforementioned poor quality of the transfer then it seems very unlikely that anybody would bother drastically altering the colour timing from the original scan. If you look at the shot of Reese leaning over in the car, it's coloured completely differently from more recent transfers. I don't see how this can be the result of a bad scan or put down to the poor quality of the transfer.

Also, if you look at the night scenes in the Japanese DVD comparison shots, you see that the cyan colour timing is present there also.

After seeing this and the 8mm Aliens frames recently posted, I really am starting to come around to the idea that the BD releases of Cameron's movies are genuine (albeit poorly executed) attempts to recreate the theatrical look.

Dodgeson! Dodgeson! We've got Dodgeson here!
See? Nobody cares. :D

I don't suppose you noticed whether the peas on the box of Floyd's 'space food' were green like the BD or brownish-green like the LD?

From your observations thus far, I would assume the LD to be more correct.

Threepio kicked him out. :(

ilovewaterslides said:

The only positive thing about the BD is the corrected skateboard wheels issue.

Can we be certain the BD is a correction? Surely whatever colour the wheels are on the original print in that scene is the 'correct' colour, even if it is technically an error of some sort.

35mm prints will naturally have more blown out highlights than the negative that the BDs were based on. This is exactly how it would have looked in the theatre though I'm sure some detail can be recovered with colour correction.

Given that Harmy was able to seamlessly blend 35mm scanned footage with the Bluray footage in his TESB v2.0, I'd say that (with the right tools and skills) enough detail can be pulled from these preservations to easily give the Bluray a run for its money.

I agree 100% with dvdmike. What is being proposed here is a fan-edit. The colours are exactly as was intended by the filmmakers and therefore no "fix" is required.
My personal view: While MOS may not be perfect, I have absolutely no problem with a different take on the character complete with a darker, less colourful look. We already have the bright and brilliant Christopher Reeve Superman movies to enjoy and I'd much rather see a new movie attempt something different with the character rather than just rehash the same look and feel all over again. For all MOS's flaws, I'd really rather encourage this sort of thing than whine and complain that it doesn't look like my idea of Superman.

So good luck to all who are interested in this fan-edit but it's not for me and it really doesn't belong in the preservation section of the forum.

I look forward to seeing the rancor matte lines back where they belong. :)

I always hated the abundance of blue in the T-Rex Jeep scene on the DVD and 2D BD releases. I'm certain it was never blue like that theatrically (based on 11 viewings albeit 22 years ago) and the 'Spielberg approved' 3D BD seems to confirm this as the blue is heavily reduced in this sequence.

Here's an example I posted previously to illustrate this along with a photograph of a 35mm film cell:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/spoRv-projects-past-and-future/post/669332/#TopicPost669332

Personally, I'd love to see the 2D BD regraded to the 3D BD's colours or even some kind of happy medium if that's the consensus.

msycamore said:

More comparisons of other changes are coming if there's interest.

 Very much so. Please post more if you have them. :)

Spaced Ranger said:

@ Turisu

Checking that scene on an early DVD (Warner 1999, just in case the 2007 Blu-ray fixed something) did not show damage, anywhere in the frame, throughout the scene. Three other scenes of ship/Earth communications also show nothing.

It's very faint on the Blu-ray but it is there. Look for the shot where it cuts back to Frank on the table and his father says "I think it's being broadcast next Thursday". To the extreme left of the shot is a faint vertical line running the entire height of the frame. It's actually barely noticeable on the Blu-ray, you may not even consider it worth correcting, but it really stood out at a theatrical screening of the same master that I attended recently. Weird.

Also I seem to recall there is some print damage to the left of the frame in the scene where Frank watches the message from his parents.

While you're unsticking the pen in weightlessness, you might want to do something about the fact that after Floyd eats his 'space-food' the liquid drops back down the straw. In true zero-gravity this would not happen. ;)