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#129474
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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Rebel11_38- these meet with my HUGE approval. Clearly you know exactly what you are doing! Thank you again for doing this for me. The only changes I have are mostly departures from the style of the original crawls.

1. You were correct in flipping the starfield- I’d like it to pan down instead of up.
2. The title and episode number is fine- I was only talking about removing them for Episode I, which is a long time from now
3. I was wondering if you could change the coloring of the crawl to match the more yellowish color of the original trilogy crawls (for more consistency). As an aside, I learned that even the official PAL discs actually contain a yellow version of the crawl.
4. Justification- I think I’m one of the only people that cares about this (even the official crawls don’t do this), but when the text is justified, some lines only have three or four words on them and are very “spacey”. Right above them, however, is a line packed with six or seven little words. What I did when I did a prototype for the crawl was I nudged a word or two off of the packed line so that the badly justified line would have more words and things would look more evenly spaced. Apparently, there’s a way to do this automatically in Adobe Illustrator, but I just did it manually with the space bar. So for example (if we were using this crawl), I would use the space bar to nudge “of” to the second line.
5. The new crawl is as follows:

Episode II
SHROUD OF THE DARK SIDE

Ten years after Palpatine assumed power of the Galactic Senate, unrest once again pervades the galaxy. Several thousand systems intend to secede from the Republic.

These separatist traitors, led by the mysterious Count Dooku, have made it especially difficult for the limited number of Jedi Knights to maintain peace and order in the galaxy.

Queen Amidala, now serving as Senator of Naboo, is en route to Coruscant to vote on the critical issue of creating an ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC to support the overwhelmed Jedi….

6. I was also wondering, if it wouldn’t be too much trouble, if you could send me the template, settings, etc. and also how you would do this in Blender or 3dStudioMax, Illustrator, or whatever you’re using, because I have the tools and the fonts necessary to do these myself, but I don’t know how. Maybe in the future I could create my own crawls!


What you’ve done so far looks fantastic and very much the real thing! I will PM you after it is completed so we can figure out file formats, and how I can receive the crawl (split .rar through email, a link to free filespace, etc.)

Thanks so much! (and by the way, I’ll need your full name because you’ve just put yourself in the end credits)


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#129135
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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Rebel1138- that's fantastic! I will PM you when I get the chance to get the information together for you. I actually already created an .AI file containing the crawl- but if you don't like it or you find formatting errors, then by all means do it your way. I'm very excited about this- thanks so much sir!

I will PM with detailed instructions in the near future!

MTHaslett- If nobody else signs up for auditions by tomorrow, I believe I'd like to take you up on your offer to do Lama-Su (if you don't mind). Unfortunately, Reb1138 is also having audio recording trouble. Are you still interested in this? Do you have a kind of evil sounding voice?
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#129087
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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I see the wisdom in your advice to be careful about what I post links to, because it could be good material for ridicule. How about this- I’ll post part of the color-corrected droid factory scene without any dubbed voices. If people are honestly interested in hearing a sample of the dubbed voice, then they can PM me and I’ll give them links to a couple other little clips.

Other than that, the public will wait until I release a trailer (which I will definitely create in the future, CC).

Twister111- nice to have you back

MTHaslett- are you serious about your offer to dub characters for my edits? This could open up so many opportunities as to what I could do. Rebel1138 has already signed up to do Lama-Su (after reading the audition thread), but if that doesn’t work out or he doesn’t have time, then I would love to have you as the new Lama-Su. Actually, if you really wanted to do it, you wouldn’t have to wait until auditions or over- I can PM you with my email address so that you could send some audio samples. As I’ve said, ChainsawAsh was originally signed to do it, but can’t because of video/audio card problems with his PC.

Opening crawl- I'm getting worried about it at this point. Jeten San Hett has not responded to my latest email requesting screenshots of the crawl. I hope not, but I'm beginning to be very worried that I'm stuck without any kind of new crawl for my edit. And I doubt that anyone else would do the crawl for me- I merely asked for advice regarding the crawl in the Preservation section and got very little feedback on that, let alone an offer to do the crawl. I'll try to figure that out.
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#129152
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Lord of the Rings Extended versions
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2. For the possible 25th anniversary version, PJ would like to tighten up the CGI of Gollum in FOTR and the wargs in TTT.

Oh no. I can see it now- originallordoftherings.com, dedicated to preserving the original versions of the LOTR films on HD-DVD.

Peter Jackson: Back when I made that trilogy, it was really only half finished in my eyes. Part of the problem is that we were rushed during the scripting and had no time to really change the storyline the way we wanted to.

Who shot first? Gimli or Legolas?

etc.
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#129147
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Jedikev?
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another thing that concerns me is his constant use of lucASS its just that this site is trying to get lucas to do us a favor i dont think it looks goove if we have people calling him that on the boards. he is not the only one to do this i might add.

That's right. There is a VERY VERY high possility that people from Lucasfilm check these forums out. How do we know? Because according to MagnoliaFan (who edited the 1st two prequels) someone at Lucasfilm either ordered or somehow "obtained" copies of the edits, liked them, and then invited him to the Ep. III premeire. How did they most likely obtain a copy? Probably by reading these forums.

Everyone thinks that now, what we do here doesn't matter because Lucas will not give us the original trilogy. This is flawed- some of them DO come here. And derrogatory posts will not help whatsoever.
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#129140
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Jedikev?
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basically for ANYONE like this I suggest that if everyone just ignores them they tend to go away on their own.

Bingo. Ignore him unless he says something that sounds more intelligent. In that case, you would encourage that and respond to him. But the second he goes off with his "troll-like" posts, simply ignore him. People like him post that way because they seek ATTENTION. When you become all worked up about him and keep responding to his childish posts, that's what he wants. Don't give him what he wants and I predict he will no longer be a problem.
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#128469
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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Forum member None has PM’d me regarding free file space so that I could put up some links to video previews. He gave me several free hosting sites, and said that if it didn’t work out for some reason, he could host them himself. Very kind!

So now it appears that the series of Internet Shroud of the Dark Side video previews will be beginning in a couple of days. If you want to be surprised, don’t look I’ll try yousendit.com first, and if that doesn’t work, I’ll try a couple of others. I have a very slow connection at home, so what I’ll do is put the video clips on a USB drive, bring them to my library (with DSL), and upload them there. I might post links to video clips, images, notes, audio clips, or any number of other things in the future. Here are some things I could post soon:

1. Audio clip of General Grievous for Episode III- test
2. Very early test footage of Anakin/Padme reunite with C-3PO- my first attempt at mixing my lines into the film, with music, sound, etc.
3. Geonosis- preview of landing, droids bickering, dark tunnel, and beginning of Droid Factory sequence- color corrected
4. Opening scene of film
5. Nightmare sequence (just music- no sound effects or dialogue yet)
6. My music for the end of Episode I
7. Lots of other early test stuff- just have to dig for it
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#128191
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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I would LOVE to do that so that you guys could comment on it/critique it and so that I could show the work off a bit before the final film is done. However, I don't have access to sufficient filespace and I don't want to pay to get any. As I said before, if anyone else has filespace that wouldn’t mind sharing it for a couple days, I’d be more than happy to post some clips.
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#128180
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Quote: 1977 Comic Book
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OK- my mother picked this up at a garage sale for 25 cents and gave it to me as a kid. Little did she know it was a first edition paperbound Star Wars comic book that contained the Marvel comic strip of the entire movie in one volume, with several introductions at the beginning. The book was printed in 1977, before Star Wars became a hit. The book is in almost perfect condition.

Anyone know how much something like this would go for on Ebay?

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#128177
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The top 10 places for George to insert a Jar Jar death scene in the OT
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Vader: I do not want the Emperor's prize damaged. We will test it- on Captain Solo.
Fett: He's no good to me dead.
Vader: Good point. Therefore, we will test in on Jar-Jar Binks. For once in his pathetic little life, he will serve a purpose.
Jar-Jar: But yousa sayin' that you wanna...
Vader: If he survives, kill him anyway.
Jar-Jar: How rude!
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#127846
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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Sorry for the wait:

I’ve had Jeten San Hett redo the crawl more than once already, and I’ve already sent him the AI file, so I can’t really change the crawl at this point, although I would have liked to take your suggestion and change “Ten years after the election of Palpatine” to “Ten years after Palpatine assumed power of the Galactic Senate.” As for the title, my favorite at this point really is “Shroud of the Dark Side”. However, that is a very good point about the repetitiveness of the titles. Since I really like “Revenge of the Sith” as well, it seems that the only other option would be to change the title of Episode I. Maybe “Vergence in the Force” like ADigitalMan did. Or here’s another thought- remember how the original SW crawl didn’t even have an episode number or title for 4 years? Maybe Episode I doesn’t even need a title besides Star Wars, coming first in the series. That’s a crazy thought, but still… anyway, I would rather change the Ep. I title than the Ep. II title.

Such as cutting Windu telling Anakin to ask Palpatine about Padme leaving Coruscant. Now it plays as Anakin going to tell his friend and mentor the good news about finally getting a mission of his own.

Exactly- that was a big one.
Palpatine: So…they’ve finally given you an assignment.
Anakin: Yes.
Palpatine: Your patience has paid off. Etc.

Be warned, Jar Jar sounds like yodeller in it.

Is that right? Luckily, if I were to get hold of this DVD, the German audio is supposed to be 5.1 surround so it should contain nice clear readings so that I can lower the pitch separately from the music and everything else.

Does anyone know if you can use German Amazon (amazon.de) from the US?


I'm glad you and MF got in contact and collaborated on the Syfo-Dias solution. I look forward to be surprised by something in this edit!


Ha ha- actually, you'll be surprised by more things than you think- there's quite a bit of stuff I haven't revealed to anyone, because it works so well and I don't want to change it.

This edit will have far more alternate music than any other. Often it's an artistic decision, but sometimes it's out of necessity because of scene transitions or dubbed lines. It could be that I liked the original music just as much but could not use it due to the lack of the complete soundtrack. I was able to get a lot of unreleased music from the surround channels on the DVD, but there are quite a few cases where the voices leak through. In those cases, I have to find a completely new cue, dig out the center speaker track (with the voices) and go from there.

Landing in the steam vents on Geonosis to middle of droid factory scene- practically done.
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#127855
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The top 10 places for George to insert a Jar Jar death scene in the OT
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Lando: I’ve just made a deal that will keep the Empire out of here forever.
Door opens, revealing Vader, with Boba Fett on his left and Jar-Jar on his right.
Han shoots at Vader. Vader deflects the bolts.
Suddenly, Han’s gun flies from his hand into that of the Dark Lord. Vader turns around and shoots Jar-Jar himself.
Vader: We would be honored if you would join us for dinner. We have a real treat tonight. However, it will take a little time before it is ready. Have you ever prepared Roast Gungan, Fett?
Fett: Once or twice.
Vader: Recently?
Fett: Possibly.
Vader: Then you must know how long it will take.
Fett: About three hours.
Vader: Thank you for your time, Fett.
Fett: Always a pleasure to roast a Gungan.
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#127401
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Magnoliafag and Dickter
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If you have more information

OK:

1. Rikter only distributes stuff not available commercially, and he's put in countless hours out of love for the trilogy
2. Rick McCallum likes what MagnoliaFan has done
3. George Lucas encourages it because it promotes creative filmmaking and editing
3. Lucasfilm invited this "pirating thief" to a preview showing of Revenge of the Sith
4. Nobody knows their personal info
5. Even if they did, nobody would want to give out their personal info
6. They ARE NOT profiting from it
6. It's a good thing that there aren't too many people like you, or I wouldn't distribute my own edit

You're not defending or protecting George L., Rick, or any of the others at Lucasfilm. Why? Instead of "bringing them to justice", they get copies for themselves. They don't give a rip.

Hcsraniemkcel- Don't come back.
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#126974
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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Jar-Jar: I didn't know you could alter audio enough to lower the pitch of his voice; that's an excellent idea! And I'm all for giving him some class with British-style subtitles if you think it'll work w/out being distracting.

It’ll almost definitely work- the only trouble now is getting a German language DVD for Episode I. I have to have this so that I know I’ll be able to do Jar-Jar for Ep. I in the same way. There’s a guy on Ebay that’s been trying to sell a German copy of Ep. II on DVD for ages now, but so far I’ve not come across Ep. I. Here’s hoping!

"Darth Dooku": This could all work very well into a possible Maul=Grevious subplot, as Dooku will in no way be reffered to as "Darth." (And I know you'll be changing Yoda's line, but it still makes more sense mind my mind). Of course Palpatine refers to him as a Sith Lord in RotS, so unless you'd want to edit around that, he'll simply be "Count Dooku: Sith Lord."

Exactly. He’s a Sith lord, but he’s so temporary and unimportant that he doesn’t even get the “Darth” title. (so I’m definitely not going to take out the Palpatine/Obi-Wan exchange).

For the end of Episode 2, I'd suggest either cutting Sidious 1st line, or pluging in a Palpatine "Count Dooku" from RotS.

I’ll see if I can plug in a “Count Dooku” from either Ep. II or III.

Queen/Senator Amidala: If I understand correctly, the plan is Padme is a born Queen, but she's reffered to as Senator in 2&3 as it is the capacity she is currently serving in?

Yes.

Where does that leave the line, "I was the youngest queen ever elected, and I'm not sure I was ready," and the rest of Anakin and Padme's walk on Naboo for that matter?

In a big mess. However, I can edit it so that they still have a conversation and not contradict the new scenario in any way. Starting with the complete unedited scene from Disc 2 on the official DVD:

Anakin: When I first started my training, I was very homesick. Etc. etc. until…

Anakin: Tell me- did you dream of power and politics when you were a little girl?
Padme: No, that was the last thing I thought of. DIALOGUE CUT…

Padme: Actually, I had hoped to have a family of my own by now. My sister has the most amazing, wonderful kids.

Padme: But when I was asked to serve as Senator, I couldn’t refuse. (edited from “but when the queen asked me to serve as Senator, I couldn’t refuse her”)

And scene continues until end.

Obviously, some lines would be dubbed over different video so it doesn’t appear as though they jumped from one place to the next. Actually…maybe not. Maybe I’ll just do a hard cut. In any case, it will work and the scene will remain in the film.

Were you still going to bring this up in a Gunray/Dooku conversation? If not, what were plans on how to do that?

No- no Gunray/Dooku conversation, because she explains why she was a Senator during the walk on Naboo. (she was asked to serve). It’s no longer necessary.

Only then she was still referred to as "Princess," which is what I was suggesting be altered with Padme, a few references to "Queen" here and there.

I can incorporate that as well, as a reminder that she is still the Queen as well. So she gets both titles, but is usually called Senator now. I could say “Queen Amidala” instead of “Senator Amidala” in the opening crawl, but 1. The .AI file is already finished and Jeten San Hett is working on scrolling it, and 2. This would introduce confusion when the pilot addresses the decoy as “Senator”. (I kept the interior scene, but I cropped from the full-screen DVD, removed the decoy’s badly read line (“very good, lieutenant”), and added a subtle ship beeping noise in the right channel. I think I already said that the film is done from the end of the opening crawl to the establishing shot of the conference room with Palpatine and the others.

It’s interesting to note, CC, that I had already made many of the cuts you suggested in a previous post, albeit for different reasons.

did he ever reveal to you his way of removing the nowhere subplot of Syfo-Dias ordering the clones? I'm not asking for this apparently secret info, but was curious as to whether you had a way/were going to use his way in SotDS?

He was kind enough to let me in on this, but since he PM’d me about it I would assume that he wants it to be a surprise. It is a very good solution and I will be using it as well.

Screencaps: WOW. There is no argument the environments look unquestionably improved and realistic. However, Anakin and Padme's skin seems to have turned blue as a side effect. Is there any way around this?

There are definitely ways to reduce this. For the closer-up shots of Anakin or Padme, I can bring back some of the original saturation to get the flesh tones back. Not too much, though. I wouldn’t do this with far shots. I’ll work with it some more and post some screenshots at a later time.

Something else- The Geonosians never actually fire their guns. The humour here is that they were all given guns but are incapable of using them. They point them at people (like Anakin), but they never quite have the brainpower or the reflexes to pull the trigger in time. So the weird sonic blasts are cut.

Arena/Clone War extravaganza- This is so big and so time-consuming I don’t even want to start worrying about it until I have to.

Overall progress on project- The Jedi Council scene immediately following the Coruscant part of the film has been pretty much completed, with dubbing. I haven’t got the greatest microphones, but I have very good noise-reduction technology that’s allowing me to get good results. The big trouble with this scene is that my line has to fit in perfectly with everything surrounding it. There’s no music to cover anything up, no sound effects- nothing. That made this scene difficult to do, and eventually I had to rerecord the dialogue using a different technique. In the end, the scene is very successful and the interaction between the real actors and myself is seamless.

So what has been done so far:

1.Nightmare (without sound effects)
2.Landing on Coruscant/Decoy is killed/transition into next scene- completely finished
3.Jedi Council scene- almost finished
4.Droid factory- work in progress
5.Dark tunnel with Geonosians- ADR completed, playing with colors

Trooperman
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#126986
Topic
So how many times did you actually see Sith
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Saw it opening night in our town of 5000. Complete with the guy dressed up in Jedi robes and the kids waving their toy lightsabers.

I haven't had good experiences seeing Star Wars at the movies. While seeing AOTC, I had a loudmouth behind me that yacked throughout the entire film ("Oh, COME on." "What a bunch of @#$#%").

During ROTS, I had a group of...teenage girls behind me. Giggle giggle giggle...

I wasn't impressed. I spent $6 or $8 or whatever it cost to watch the movie, not listen to live commentary.

It was better when I went to see it a second time.