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#146988
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/146988/action/topic#146988
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Thank you Mark and DemonHunter for the suggestions on films that could contain shots like this: A.I, Minority Report, Total Recall, BR, maybe...Judge Dredd, Fifth Element, or I, Robot. I'll take a look



PADME
we used to come here for school retreat. We used to swim
to that island every day. I love the water.

...We used to lie on the sand and
let the sun dry us... and try to
guess the names of the birds
singing.

ANAKIN
I don't know birds. I don't know anything about worlds where the creatures are pleasant-- and free. I like it here -- everything is soft and sooth.


That's definitely better than the original! However, I don't know....it still sounds a little cheesy. Which is why I'm going to try and maybe find a way so that Anakin doesn't talk at all. Padme's chattering, but that dies down as she realized Anakin's staring instead of talking. They both look at each other- something's clicked. "I love you", voices Anakin from the next scene, etc. I have to make that work, because I've thought about it and dramatically speaking, it's the best option.

I have a completely unrelated surprise coming up in the next day or two- I'm posting something on yousendit for your feedback. Just to show you I haven't been slacking off

Oh, and by the way, it was very nice of Hiochi to post the "Temple of Doom" soundtrack in the Memorabilia section, because there's a very specific short cue from that score that I had in mind for a very specific scene in SotDS- for a long time. But I'm not going to tell you where
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#146827
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Idea: Preserving Episodes 1-3?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/146827/action/topic#146827
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Wow- I STILL can't believe the DVD of Ep. III will be exactly as it was shown in theatres. The digital changes can get very subtle. However, I guess the question is also whether the sound mix was altered at all. Is there any reason to want the bootleg? I guess we'll find out when the DVD comes out. Maybe someone could do a split-screen comparison on their monitors and find out for sure.

Episode I would be very easy to do the theatrical cut of- the 5.1 from the LD is already on some type of bootleg and we have the establishing Coruscant shot from the LD. And the official DVD with the "Watto cheering shot" on Disc 2. It would just be a matter of putting it together.

Episode II: Still sounds like the missing footage has not surfaced in high enough quality to be mixed in with the DVD. Which is too bad.
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#146682
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/146682/action/topic#146682
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Oh, and in case you missed it (at the end of a long post)....

Any ideas on how to make Coruscant/the Coruscant streets a little darker, more like Blade Runner? (I don't know- compare the 2 aliens arguing about which brand is better to the billboard in BR of the woman taking the pills). Shots I could use from other movies? Because right now, we have a lot of stuff/costumes that looks like it's out of Harry Potter- just wondering if anyone had suggestions to make it more like a filthy, inner-city dump. Inside the bar, I've already done some things with color, added some old nightclub music, and occasionally cut away to other movies in an attempt to make it more gritty and interesting.
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#146681
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/146681/action/topic#146681
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Thanks for the comments, everyone. I have plenty of time to make the Qui-Gon disappearance in Episode I work.


Then the suggestion has to be made: simply cut the Anakin dialogue and go straight from Padme's dialogue to the longing looks-- extend as long as necessary to fit in the voice over from the following scene by using shots that don't have lip-flap. The dialogue from Padme sets the mood well-- personally revealing in a harmless way, provoking no response from Anakin other than a look of desire. The kind of look you give on the night you're planning to confess your love...

Yes. I had thought of that, of course...

The other two options would be to either find something else for Anakin to say that would kind of match the lips, or else either turn down the brightness and blur the area around his mouth to the point that you can't tell he's supposed to be talking at all. The only problem I have with no real Anakin dialogue in that scene is that I wouldn't be able to use the shot showing both of their faces as they look out over the balcony, and it could be unnatural to cut directly to close-ups that early in the scene- that shot would really be useful in bridging the gap between the far shot and close-ups.


I'm working on the editing and sound mix of the saber fight as well, right now.

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#146660
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Idea: Preserving Episodes 1-3?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/146660/action/topic#146660
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Wait...so here's what hasn't been preserved on DVD officially:

-Episode I screener (with Maul falling down the shaft in one piece)
-Episode I: Original Theatrical Version (removed after the first couple weeks and containing the shot of Maul falling apart but much later down the shaft).
- Episode I: The Revised Original Version (released on VHS and LD- also shown in theatres after the first couple weeks of opening)
-Episode I with Sam Jackson's Narration for the Blind
-Episode II: The Theatrical Film Version
-Episode II: The Digital Theatrical Version
-Episode II: The IMAX cut
-Episode III: The Theatrical Version (film and digital are identical)
-Episode III: The IMAX cut

Maybe include the workprint for III for the heck of it (for the countdown sequence at the beginning).

But...I've never heard of any DVD's preserving the IMAX edition. Or the screener and original original version of Ep. I, not to mention the narration for the blind. Episode II- has a good quality boot of the theatrical version surfaced? All Rikter has is a camcorder version. It seems like some of this stuff would be very hard to find.
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#146632
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Idea: Preserving Episodes 1-3?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/146632/action/topic#146632
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Yes- I was interested in doing the theatrical Ep. I in highest quality sometime, and someone posted a linlk to the establishing Coruscant shot not included in the DVD. Splice this into the DVD transfer, remove the extra podracing shots, and add the shot of Watto cheering from Disc 2 of the DVD set, and you're golden. You would probably included the 5.1 from the LD, though- which I don't have.

Ep. II would be more difficult, especially with no home video release of the original.

And Ep. III would be really, really easy considering the quality of the bootlegs.
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#146540
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Classic Edition: The Empire Strikes Back by Ocpmovie (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/146540/action/topic#146540
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Trooperman: No one has given me a full list of the musical transitions they would like "fixed." I still have time to alter the soundtrack, so feel free to throw in suggestions.

Sure- off the top of my head, I can only think of two other places, but there could be more:

1. The tail end of the "Magic Tree" cue was butchered for the 35mm (the transition between Yoda with fishing pole and the Imperial fleet).

2. Right before we see the Falcon on the Star Destroyer, there's a bit of missing music (violin) from the beginning of the "City in the Clouds". It was in the original 70 but not in the 35.

I have to say it's great that you're doing this because it is conducive to creating a "Classic Edition"- this original music was present for the original release. Not only that, it's what John Williams wrote and it just plain sounds better. Thanks for doing this
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#146529
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Classic Edition: The Empire Strikes Back by Ocpmovie (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/146529/action/topic#146529
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This version combines the 35mm and SE sound mixes. Mostly 35 but with some SE thrown in for good measure, when I thought it would be nice to have the clearer sound from the SE.

Excellent!- does the 70mm stuff include the original musical transitions? I think that's what we (or me, anyhow) find most appealing about the 70 mix.

Thanks for the great work. One more question- you didn't happen to color-correct the Hoth footage (from blue to white)?
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#146528
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/146528/action/topic#146528
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Thanks for that, MTHaslett. As scripted, this scene is a lot better. Unfortunately, most of that dialogue didn't make it for the movie. If I had the following:

Padme: You could look into the glass and see the water. The way it ripples and moves. It looked so real...but it wasn't.

then I could make this work very well. But not only is it not in the movie, but I don't believe it's in the supplementals either. Back to the drawing board...
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#146370
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/146370/action/topic#146370
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Hello again....



Thanks for the reply, TM . That's an interesting idea you have too; perhaps it could not only parallel the scene in ESB, but also what takes place moments before in which Obi-wan turns his back on his fallen apprentice. I'm not sure about which biblical parallels you might be referring to besides the beginning of Genesis: the whole "First Sin" thing with God turning his own back on his creation. (Haven't gone through a bible since I was a lad) Well, if it's on the same track anyway, that's be cool, to have Quigon not respond similarly to how Obi-wan doesn't respond to Luke's crys for help after his duel in ESB. I love Parallels!!!


Yes, and I'm kind of fascinated by the idea that Anakin thought that the dark path was only a temporary thing- then, when he cries for help, nobody answers. It's too late at that point, and he is doomed. The Emperor comes to rescue him and saves him using the Dark Side, and Anakin joins him permanently because everyone else has turned their backs on him. As for the Biblical parallels...well, one has to do with the whole Mustafar/Hell comparison.

Don't want to get off-topic, but I wanted to get a general idea of what I'm going for in the PT in case it would affect my current view of Episode II. And it doesn't seem to at this point.


Regarding the Force ideas -- I love that basically it's not an issue for Episode II and frankly I love the ideas as discussed for Episode I -- not because it addresses the Force ghost problem, but because it addresses the whole lack of an emotional climax for Anakin in that story. The final version of that movie should be that Anakin can feel Qui Gon's guidance through the Force and that when he FEELS Qui Gon DIE, he lets loose with those torpedos. He cuts loose with his first bit of anger and murder because of Qui Gon's death. I don't know how to do it yet, but the changes you suggest get us a little further down that road.

GREAT idea- it has to be this way. Episode I will be great fun to work on, especially if we actually have *gasp* a CLIMAX! Who would've thought?


In brief, I'll go over the balcony scene for more notes, but I think the dialogue as written and filmed fits the scene okay. It's even better with this bit of "voice over" at the end. The way it works is as "comfortable conversation" between two people with a lot to hide -- then they look at each other and the conversation stops BUT we HEAR what they want to say -- dubbed in from the next scene in which they ACTUALLY SAY IT. This bit of editing tells the necessary lover beats. We all go through it-- hanging out with a girl you like, talking to her about stuff, listening to her and hoping she likes you, gathering your nerve as you both say dumb stuff and finally taking the leap to say "I like you, a LOT." This little editing trick condenses all that without skipping it or screwing it up the way it was in the original cut. Your work on the balcony scene makes it a natural fit to cut into the fireside chat -- that makes Lucas' point better than he was able to.

What you're saying makes perfect sense- however, if you're lobbying for the "I don't like sand" dialogue, I just can't do it. Maybe just a personal thing for me; I just want to crawl under my chair everytime I hear those lines. What I was wondering was if I could find an alternative that sounded less foolish and could synch with the lips, so that I could use the shot containing both of their faces before doing close-ups (editing thing). I'd like to hear your suggestions on this.


I really don't know about Qui-Gon disspearing in the fire. My reasoning is the same as yours, "I just don’t like the idea that Qui-Gon died, and somehow after he was dead he managed to find out how to come back as a ghost in his original form. I like the idea that during his life, he worked towards discovering this secret so that when he died, he was able to fade away." But something as significant as that would surely be worth a mention, which of course would be absent. All that aside, if you're going to go for it, showing Qui-Gon dissapear on-screen is the way to do it. If not, it's TOO ambiguous. So in the final shot of Qui-Gon burning, he would fade away, then Yoda and Mace discuss the Sith, omninous shot of Palpatine, cut to end celebration. Of course, we have plenty of time to work this out. Btw, all you can see in RotJ is Vader's burning armor, no physical Anakin.


Yes- however, my way around this was that the disappearance ended the scene; otherwise, it would look funny if a Jedi disappeared for the first time in history and they kept talking as though nothing had happened. So my idea was to do "But which one? The master or the apprentice?" Pan over to Palpatine (looking ahead at something). Cut to Qui-Gon in fire- he disappears. Cut back to Palpatine, who understands what just happened. CUT to celebration.


On the soundtrack it is a very powerful piece, but I thought in the context of the film the music was a bit downplayed and not loud enough. I do think it would be excellent accompanying Obi-Wan's death in ANH...


I was not really planning on editing the OT, just to prove that the prequels could have been made to fit the OT without any tweaking of the originals. Are you thinking of possibilities for the Magnoliafan SW trilogy?

Anakin calling for Qui-Gon would be heartwrenchingly tragic, but if he does not see him it would make little sense. Of course if he has continued to communicate with him through dreams and whatnot, it might make perfect sense...

Exactly. Particularly if Anakin tends to hear him in his head in Episode III, even outside of dreams....(or "dreamses" from Backstroke of the West)

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-As you know, I'm a little stuck on the balcony dialogue right now.

-Just a kind of vague question- any ideas on how to make Coruscant/the Coruscant streets a little darker, more like Blade Runner? (I don't know- compare the 2 aliens arguing about which brand is better to the billboard in BR of the woman taking the pills). Shots I could use from other movies? Because right now, we have a lot of stuff/costumes that looks like it's out of Harry Potter- just wondering if anyone had suggestions to make it more like a filthy, inner-city dump. Inside the bar, I've already done some things with color, added some old nightclub music, and occasionally cut away to other movies in an attempt to make it more gritty and interesting.

I would appreciate any and all suggestions. Thank you very much! I will try to respond quickly.

TM
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#144487
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<em><strong>The Official Dark/Sega Special Collection</strong></em> OT LD Release Thread (Not an SE Transfer) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/144487/action/topic#144487
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What's the '92 US widescreen set, different from the Definitive Collection I take it?

Yes- definitely. I'm almost positive it's the exact same transfer as the Japanese Special Collection, only 1. No subtitles, 2. Centered picture, and 3. You'll probably be able to find it a lot easier for a lot more money.

But I know it's not the Definitive Collection- I'm almost positive it's the exact same transfer as the Japanese one. Hope that helped!

Trooperman
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#144452
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/144452/action/topic#144452
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Oh….OK. What happened was that I thought I understood what you were saying but actually didn’t. I thought you were proposing that the scene continue as planned, until…

Anakin: I was afraid to tell you before…

FIRESIDE:

Anakin: but it’s true.

Scene continues because the dialogue continued from one scene to the next, for some reason. Granted, that didn’t make a whole lot of sense at the time- but it seemed to correct the problem of it feeling as though you missed something. But that actually doesn’t help it a whole lot more than a wipe.

NOW I see that what you’re suggesting is a balcony scene where they don’t talk to each other at all in the scene, but we think they do at the beginning because we hear voices (from the next scene). Then, the viewer becomes confused and realizes something’s up when we move to close-ups and the lips aren’t moving. Things become clear when we cut to the fireside scene.

And so the only reason that we’re using the balcony scene at all and not just having the fireside play out is for the romantic imagery and tension of the moonlit scene (and also the dialogue trick for the audience, and also the lip synch problem if I did the whole fireside).

This is making a lot more sense now. Now, the only problem becomes the fact that we can’t use any balcony footage with any lips moving whatsoever. Another thing we might have to do is to darken the scene so that it isn’t as obvious that the lips aren’t moving? I was wondering what your complete thoughts on this were.

Just because I love the idea of the moonlit sequence so much, I’m probably going to include the whole thing in its entirety as originally conceived, as a deleted scene. But now that I understand what you’re saying, the moonlit scene will not have any real dialogue. However, I have a question:

What do you think about doing the moonlit scene with the actual dialogue of Padme babbling, and then go to the Anakin overlapping speech. This would be because HER dialogue is more suited to the actual scene. I could perhaps somehow distinguish what she is saying with what Anakin is saying, in terms of reality or memory. Perhaps I could add a slight echo to the Anakin dialogue in the moonlit scene? Your feedback, please…

I might talk about the whole “Force” thing later, but I guess the point is that if you were worried that I’m going to try to define the Force to death in the movies, it won’t happen that way. Not only that, but midichlorians are removed- if anything, the Force will be more magical.

“I can't say the changes you suggest really bother me.”

Right- especially because none of them apply to Episode II- just the nightmare and the Tusken incident. But I rather like the telepathic communication/memories idea with Anakin and Obi-Wan in Episode I. Anyway, I’ll discuss later….

Thanks!

And I just realized that my screen name should actually be "A Trooper Man". That way, people could abbreviate it as "ATM".
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#144317
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/144317/action/topic#144317
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I love this. This is why I’m on a public forum in the first place.

Commander Courage- That question was for you- I knew you in particular would have a lot to say about this I’ve been reading the AdigitalMan thread, Episode III fan edit thread, and others, and I saw some of your ideas. This is another one of those things that I didn’t want to have to deal with (like the Padme Queen/Senator issue), and I definitely needed advice on this. Not only have you provided this, but you have provided some major inspiration for Episode III. More to follow- I will go through your excellent suggestions one by one:

I am going with your option 2.

“Qui-Gon dissapearing in the fire? Again, logically there would be some kind of reaction/response, so I'd say leave this as-is.”
“in early screening of TPM, Qui-Gon's body did indeed dissapear in the fire. This would be something to consider, but then what about everyone watching? Surely now that it's been established Jedi DON'T dissapear, there would be some sort of reaction if Jinn did.”

This is a good idea, though- Qui-Gon could disappear in the fire like Anakin was supposed to in ROTJ. This didn’t occur to me. About the reaction? I could probably find a way around this, like…camera pans over to Palpatine, who is staring ahead at something (longer than he was in the original). The scene ends with a shot of the fire, only…Qui-Gon has completely disappeared. CUT to celebration.

This does many things. We don’t have to deal with the reaction of the crowd, because the scene ends with the disappearance. We know that Palpatine saw what had happened and is disturbed by it (as well as the loss of his apprentice). And best of all, we know Qui-Gon actually disappears in the fire and becomes one with the force. I just don’t like the idea that Qui-Gon died, and somehow after he was dead he managed to find out how to come back as a ghost in his original form. I like the idea that during his life, he worked towards discovering this secret so that when he died, he was able to fade away. It was a result of his brilliance and hard work in life.

“Anakin SHOULD have dissapeared”

Yes, but if I’m not mistaken, I believe his physical face was visible during the burning scene. I would have to check on that.

“The problem with what I think you were getting at, TM, was that there can be no conversaions between Qui-Gon and the characters.”

Right. It can’t be like Empire; it has to be like SW when Obi-Wan spoke up at emotional high points.

“At some point during the space battle, when Anakin fires the torpedoes into the reactor for example, have Qui-Gon in his head: "Concentrate on the moment. Feel, don't think. Use your instincts." Qui-Gon is straddling life and death here, so this could be interpreted as either a rememberance (he told Anakin this before the pod race), Force user-to-Force user communication (Luke and Vader at the end of ESB), or advice from the netherworld (Obi-Wan in ANH).”

Yes- I LOVE this idea. Anakin goes from not having a clue what he’s doing the whole time to not having a clue until he hears Qui-Gon. Then, he has control. Great parallel to SW, also.

“When Obi-Wan is hanging in the pit, have Qui-Gon is his head: "Always be mindful of your surroundings." Then he remembers Jinn's lightsaber is still there and leaps up to kill Maul. That could be interpreted as the latter two options from above.”

Good idea to have some Qui-Gon dialogue there- however, when I get to Ep. I, I’ll probably think about using some other dialogue there that works better dramatically. You never know…

“I thought about having Qui-Gon die after "Promise me you will train the boy," (assumming you would keep that line), then have "He will bring balance. Train him," echo in the long shot, in Obi-Wan's head I assume. But that might be a little weird.”

That would probably come off as weird style-wise. However, I like the idea of him dying after saying “Promise me you will train the boy.” I could possibly manipulate dialogue to make him say, “The boy will bring balance. Promise me you will train him.” Anyway, plenty of time to think about that.

“I mentioned this before, but perhaps have some of Qui-Gon's tone poem in Anakin's head at the funeral. "It will be a hard life. One without reward, without remorse, without regret." This would tie-in with the dream in your Episode 2, but again it might be a bit out of place.”

Maybe, but less so than the previous example. This could work, but I’d have to test it multiple ways.

“You know thinking about it, maybe we could weave a sub-plot here of Qui-Gon being responsible for Anakin's nightmares, trying to warn him about the future. He always starts off Anakin's dreams, and in RotS they could be continual visions with not only Padme, but maybe a glimpse of Vader and his future evil? Just a thought; not sure if/how that would work.”

Ha ha- I know how it would work. After I read that, I realized how this would work. And it’s going to be so spectacularly creepy that I don’t even want to give it away yet. I will say that this will work VERY well and will make the story that much richer. Also, think “Vertigo” again (although that probably won’t help.) Anyway, thank you for some MAJOR inspiration.

“Some kind of dialogue alteration after the Tusken massacare. Replacing the "NO!" first and foremost. Getting two different "Anakin"s would be nice too, making it seem less like a cut and paste job. Any additional stuff you can think of.’

Yeah, I’m not sure about that yet, but something is guaranteed to be different about this.

“A prefect line that could go several places (from Batman Begins): "Your anger gives you great power but [if you let it] it will destroy you." The place I have in mind of it is when Anakin looks into the suns on Mustafar, before he sheds a tear.”

Very good idea. I can definitely use that line at some point. Also, thinking ahead to that scene, as much as everyone praises the music for that scene as being the highest emotional point for them, etc. etc- I really don’t like it, believe it or not. It was interesting the first time because it was a novel and completely different approach, but I would like to rescore this with something more sad/beautiful in romantic style. This will likely be an unpopular change- oh, well.

“Reconstructing the Yoda scene in some way. What I think everyone is forgetting is that they still need the Yoda part, which will never be released. And since it all has to be pieced together from different sources anyway, alter and expand it to not only explain the secret of immortality, but Qui-Gon expresses some responsibility for what happened in regards to Anakin.”

I’m probably not going to be able to do this myself. If MagnoliaFan or AdigitalMan want to take a stab at it, then perhaps I can use the scene if it works out in their versions. But I don’t know how to go about replacing both Yoda and Qui-gon dialogue.

“After Obi-Wan says "Qui-Gon!", maybe a line or two from Jinn would be appropriate. No "Teach you how to commune with him, I will," rather something from Qui-Gon along the lines of, "Yes Obi-Wan. I will guide you..."

This is more likely what I’ll do with this. Maybe I could even put some kind of non-talking on-screen Qui-Gon ghost image by Yoda. I do agree that actually seeing Qui-Gon after he dies in Ep. I would really drive the point home, and things would make much more sense.

“Considering this last scene, Obi-Wan should not hear from Qui-Gon after he has officially died. This leaves my first two suggestions possible, and reserves surprise for Obi-Wan in RotS. That works very well considering there's not many quiet moments for him to hear Qui-Gon in the first place.”

Sounds good to me- I didn’t have plans for his talking to Obi-Wan to begin with

Thanks for those great suggestions!



“One thing I was thinking about one day though was to possibly have Annie see quigon's ghost while he's dying on mustafar. It'll of course parallel luke in a similar situation, seeing Obi-wan's ghost in the clouds on Hoth, more of those repeated events that lucas says he's aiming for I guess. he'll say "Your midichlorians are evil now." or something like that.”

Hi there! If I were to put an image of Qui-Gon in the Mustafar scene, he would not talk. He would shimmer in the background maybe, but he would not talk to Anakin. More likely than actually putting his ghost there would be to have Anakin cry out for Qui-Gon’s help as he burns. Qui-Gon doesn’t answer as Anakin screams in pain and calls for Qui-Gon. I can do this due to the dubbing. This would bring up a bunch of interesting Biblical parallels that I don’t want to discuss now Good idea, though. Oh, and by the way- I HATE midichlorians with a passion and they will not be included in my saga.

MtHaslett- I Understand where you’re coming from, too. It’s not that the simple interpration is incorrect, it’s just that it’s a stretch and it doesn’t seem to be enough. What has actually gone on with the force ghosts is not explained well at all through the six movies, and elaborating on it serves many purposes. It makes for an overall richer story and also works very well dramatically (Qui-Gon communicating with Anakin and Obi-Wan in Ep. I, Qui-Gon somehow trying to interfere with Palpatine’s dreams and adding his own messages to them.

“What advice from Qui Gon would make Ep II better?”
“If you add Qui-Gon throughout Ep I, II, and III as a voice offering advice and such, you'll be creating more questions than you answer for me.”

Right- but the only time Qui-Gon shows up in Episode II is 1. At the beginning of the dream, and 2. After the Tusken slaughter. In Episode I, he is not dead until the end. Therefore, anything that he says could be interpreted as memories or as direct communication using the force. And in III, his words echo through Anakin’s head, much like Palpatine’s did at the beginning. And then of course we have the ending. So this isn’t creating any questions for me- throughout the PT, Qui-Gon voice keeps coming back. He isn’t watching everything and commenting on everything, saying “Don’t kiss that girl!” “Palpatine is a Sith lord!” etc. You remember that in the original trilogy, Obi-Wan was allowed to do some things and not others (like giving Luke advice when he fought Vader and the Emperor). Even Yoda was restricted in this way.

Anyway…

STILL working on the balcony scene, playing with the footage and slowing down/speeding up things to get good lip synch with Anakin (because he’s saying completely different things).

I had to make “I love you.” synch with “I don’t like sand.”

I have to make “I’ve loved you ever since I first saw you ten years ago.” fit with “It’s rough, and course, and irritating. Not like here…”etc. Because there are certain things you can’t do, and one of them is cutting away from a well-framed shot in a slower scene after 3 or 4 seconds. Anyway…it’s coming.

Thank you all for your patience with me- thanks Darth Simon for contributing as well. Nobody (well, almost nobody) does not contribute in some way when they post here. Please continue!
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#142503
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/142503/action/topic#142503
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Thanks for the feedback.

Twister- that's a good idea (cutting away to Anakin during the dream) but I don't think it fits with the style of the dream I've established. The mechanics of the dream are pretty much finalized at this point. About avoiding deja-vu: I'm pretty sure that throughout the course of this dream, there is not one shot identical to any other shot in the movie (or any of the movies, for that matter). I've cropped from full-screen, flipped shots, and messed with the color so much that this will probably be a non-issue. One change I've made since the last post was that I've flopped both of the shots of Anakin in bed, because I like it better and also because now, his face and his mother's are not quite on top of each other anymore. I couldn't fip the shot of Shmi anyway because there's the continuity problem with her large scar.

Commander Courage- I can try to get it out by May 2006. But I don't want to commit

I think I have a good recording of the balcony dub. I believe I solved the "corniness" problem by recording this when I had a cold and a sore throat. For some reason, when I dubbed under these conditions, the whole thing came out very well.
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And at this point, I would like to have a discussion about the lack of the Yoda/Qui-Gon scene on the DVD for inclusion in Episode III. This irks me because now, it looks as though there will be no explanation of how to become a force ghost. Maybe a simpler solution is called for…

Maybe, all Jedi can talk to other force-trained people after their deaths. But perhaps Obi-Wan is the first one to figure out how to actually come back as a ghost, and that’s why he disappears and Qui-Gon doesn’t. The fact that he’s a walking, talking ghost is of course revealed in Empire Strikes Back- he’s a ghost. This way, the audience who is watching these in order is also wondering what Obi-Wan means by “I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.”

If I decided to go with this approach, then it would make sense for Qui-Gon to chime in throughout Ep. II and Ep. III at key moments, just as Obi-Wan did in SW. I know it isn’t a great solution, but what can you do under these circumstances? A total lack of an explanation of how Jedi walk and talk after death. My other thought was to actually make Qui-Gon disappear in Episode I. But then, I couldn’t use the burning scene, which is a must. I know this isn’t an Episode III edit thread, but this applies to Episode II and in fact the whole trilogy because I might be having to find things for Qui-Gon to say to Anakin/Obi-Wan in this one. I would love to hear comments and solutions to this problem. Because frankly, I’m confused even in the official scenario:

Qui-Gon doesn’t disappear.
The other Jedi that die don’t disappear.
Obi-Wan disappears.
Yoda disappears.
Vader doesn’t disappear.

If Qui-Gon figured out the key to all this, then why was his body left behind? Also, Vader doesn’t disappear, yet HE shows up as a ghost at the end. (BTW, Sebastian Shaw is Anakin in ROTJ). Why? And incidentally, why doesn’t Qui-Gon say anything after death in any of the 6 movies, to anyone? Or mentioned by Yoda? (beyond the fact that Qui-Gon wasn’t conceptualized back then.

Maybe someone could help me sort this mess out.