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- #156215
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- Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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So my solution was to work on it from the other end, i.e. Dooku and his ships shooting down the gunship. My reasoning is that by building up some personal hate towards Dooku (and maybe a line to Obi-Wan on the gunship, something along the lines of "Dooku will kill her! I know he will."), then Anakin's run will be justified. I’ve always intensely disliked the Padme falling out of the gunship and getting up again anyway. In fact, I wanted to just cut Padme from the gunship entirely until I was talked out of it. So this change would make me a lot happier with this scene as well, as I’ve always disliked it.
And regarding Dooku’s relentlessness- I certainly don’t want Dooku fooling around in my cut, but at the same time…Darth Maul didn’t talk. Mace didn’t talk. A lot of fights didn’t have any talking in the PT. I kind of hate to take it out of this one as well. I actually like the lines “Brave of you, boy. But I thought you would have learned your lesson,” and “Yoda always held you in such high esteem.” By the way, I think the reason they included that line was so that Obi-Wan’s ghost on Hoth made more sense. It implies that Obi-Wan had trained with Yoda before Qui-Gon. And with the new music and effects, I don’t think there’ll be an excitement deficiency in this one. (Believe me, though- Dooku isn’t fooling around. He hits Obi-Wan, hits him again, and he instantly raises his saber for the kill. He wants to kill Obi-Wan.
And regarding Dooku’s relentlessness- I certainly don’t want Dooku fooling around in my cut, but at the same time…Darth Maul didn’t talk. Mace didn’t talk. A lot of fights didn’t have any talking in the PT. I kind of hate to take it out of this one as well. I actually like the lines “Brave of you, boy. But I thought you would have learned your lesson,” and “Yoda always held you in such high esteem.” By the way, I think the reason they included that line was so that Obi-Wan’s ghost on Hoth made more sense. It implies that Obi-Wan had trained with Yoda before Qui-Gon.
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- #156128
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- Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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Understand that the actual editing and implication of the force push isn't a problem at all- I can pull that off. The only problem was the motivation, which we're taking care of now while adding so much more weight and drama to the whole Dooku/Anakin relationship.
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- #156118
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- A long time ago...
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Thank you!
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- #156117
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- Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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Without further ado, as the saying goes, let’s start…
“At the end of the conversation, as you know, anakin intimidates watto into cutting the crap by puffing his face and say "i'd like to know". I thought what would be cooler is if you had anakin look at watto and then say something along the lines of " if you don't tell me , i'll tear both of those wings right off", THEN have the shot of padme looking from watto to anakin and then cut to watto's reaction of "sure , ah sure, lets go look at my records".”
I actually like that idea a lot. I can definitely see Anakin saying something like, “You’d better find out before I tear both of those wings off,” particularly when it’s involving his mother, the most important person in his life. So this actually helps the new plot a lot as well. Anakin isn’t messing around.
I like it
“I remember watching in the theaters and thinking it was an awkward cut because anakin hardly made a groan. Since your doing the adr, maybe you could throw in a nice painful yell (similar to luke in ESB) to give the scene more of a shock effect. Maybe have the music effect the action as well with something creepy.”
Absolutely. And before I record this yell, I will think about what it would feel like to get a limb cut off. Which brings me to another point- my own problems with Padme coming back to the hangar/shooting at Dooku are that 1. Padme looks silly shooting at Dooku 2. Obi-Wan just stands up, after being immobile ever since getting a little cut from Dooku (by the way, in my cut, Obi-Wan really is hurt- he doesn’t toss the saber to Anakin. I was able to cut it so that Anakin uses the force to get the saber. Obi-Wan isn’t involved. 3. Anakin stands up at the end of this scene and hugs Padme. Give me a break!- if I just lost an arm, I would be seriously hurt.
So I very much like the idea that came up that we cut away to Padme at the end of the fight (with dark chords- somber music) and then go back to Yoda. Cut to the two limp bodies of the Jedi, and end scene. The Jedi never get up and Padme never enters the hangar. This avoids all of those contradictions, is darker, and most importantly, it’ll definitely work fundamentally- I already have it in my mind. And thanks Twister- but I do already have access to the “Yes” line from the theatrical. I won’t say how
“And finally, those shots of the outlander club with the creepier residents is a very nice step forward for that scene as well.”
“I like the Blade Runner stuff. As long as the coloration is consistent throughout, it should be fantastic.”
“I'm stunned by what I'm seeing in those pictures. Well done.”
“I really like the new look for the bar. It's much more crowded.”
I’m really glad you all like my new idea of how the nightclub should be. Maybe I’ll call that the “Death Sticks Bar”
. I particularly like how right before we cut away, the bartender on the right points towards the two Jedi, just like the bartender in Ep. IV. The clothing is a bit outlandish in the Blade Runner shots as well, so they fit in very nicely. Several nice close-ups I’m using, too. But anyway, to match editing-wise, I’m going to be doing a lot of cropping from full-screen for the original shots. Let’s hope I get the anamorphic calculation right this time! The thing I didn’t tell you, though, is that for this to work, I’ll have to ask some kind person that downloaded the 15 gig HD broadcast of Blade Runner to supply the shots I need. I haven’t had a whole lot of luck with some my previous requests (look at the “Original Logos” thread in the requests forum, for example), but with any luck, it’ll work out and I’ll have the DVD quality shots that I need for this. A couple other simple establishing shots I’m looking for are a city sunset (for Coruscant) and a shot showing a moon in one corner of the screen, and perhaps a smokestack on the other side, again for Coruscant. I have a very specific image of this shot that I want (that I’ve never seen). Has anyone seen any shots in any films that look similar to what I described? “So if the Blade Runner idea works, could we have a Harrison Ford cameo? This would take care of many of the criticisms that the prequels have no Han Solo.
” Ha ha- look closer at the screenshot I posted. Harrison Ford is actually in that shot (which will be more clear in motion).
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InfoDroid- that’s a very interesting idea of yours. Took me off-guard a bit! However, this is a really radical change for this late in the game, and I kind of think it’s more interesting (for me) to see how they fell in love in the first place. So I don’t think I’ll do that…but, I hope someone else doing an edit might be able to figure out the thorny issues with this and give it a try! Sorry I can’t do it at this stage; it would indeed turn the structure on its ear. But if there are significant advantages to this I’m too dense to pick up on, please tell me- I just see more problems than good with that particular solution.
“And Trooperman, PLEASE consider excising the Banking Clan guy from Dooku's conference room! Seriously, he looks like the stretched-out corpse of Peter Cushing. It needs to go.”
“People complain about the Tech Union dude, I actually liked him. But that Banking Clan guy...*cringe*.”
My view- I hate every single one of them
No close-ups of those CG guys survive in my cut. It’s a personal irritation thing, a general style/design thing, and also, as Rebel Scumb pointed out, everyone has come to Geonosis. Of course they’ve all already decided to sign the treaty. If they had actually used men for this scene and not CGI, I might have felt differently. So this scene is basically Obi-Wan spying on Dooku as he briefs the Separatists about what’s going to happen. Since the whole Padme interrogation scene will not be in my cut, but it contains good dialogue, I’m using some of that in this scene as well, like Rebel Scumb. Lines like “The Republic cannot be fixed- it is time to start over,” make sense and give some substance to the scene.“How would you feel about using a different musical cue for Shmi's death scene?”
Very strongly. It won’t be the Burning Homestead, but it’ll be something good.
OK. Regarding the duel with Dooku (and yes, force lightning is cut- Palpatine is the only user of this now):
You all have brought up some very interesting and difficult questions and ideas (MTH, CC, twister, etc.). While I wish I could comment on the merits and disadvantages of each scenario, I don’t have time, so I’ll just outline what I’d like to do with this at this point, after having read all of the posts…
As shy and reserved as the new Anakin is in this film, I don’t believe that his standing around and watching his “inferior” master fight the duel and potentially get killed is the answer. When it comes to a fight, I don’t think that Anakin would hold back whatsoever. However, it’s also true that no matter how you look at it, Anakin does NOT have a good enough reason to want to rush a Sith lord. Unless….
As MTHaslett suggested, Anakin is upset because Dooku is somehow responsible for Padme’s “death”. And I actually love the line “You’re going to pay for killing the woman I love.” It’s delightful old-fashioned and classic sounding (although perhaps a bit cliché- I don’t care). And most of all, it provides a motivation for Anakin’s rush. Now, Anakin can run in, Dooku makes a hand motion, close-up of Obi-Wan as we hear Anakin yell and then hear a loud “thump”. We cut to Anakin lying on ground. And then I can still use the very exciting version of the duel that I already cut.
But now the question is…why is Anakin blaming Dooku for killing Padme? I thought he was blaming Obi-Wan for that. Well, I have a really crazy idea of my own for the gunship scene that I’d like to leave you with.
Nobody on the gunship knows where Dooku is. “Dooku! He’s behind us!” shouts Anakin suddenly. We cut to Dooku as he makes a hand motion to his wingmen. In the original cut, this meant that his wingmen were to accelerate. Instead, they each open fire immediately. They aren't doing a good job. So Dooku comes up behind them and HE shoots at the ship personally. It's a big deal music-wise. The gunship rocks, Padme falls out (for an actually good reason, this time), and Anakin knows EXACTLY who did it. He also knows that Padme’s lying on the ground and it would be quite easy for Dooku to blast her to pieces. Dooku disappears from sight for a while as Obi-Wan and Anakin argue.
THIS might be a motivation to run at Dooku and also a reason to be arguing with Obi-Wan about turning around to save Padme. She’s actually in danger and Dooku did something that makes Anakin despise him with good reason- he is personally responsible for Padme's "death" and Anakin knows it. This makes the shot of Padme getting up an actual revelation- Dooku shot at the ship for some reason, but when Padme fell out of the ship, he let her live, for some reason we don’t know. Perhaps he had instructions from a Sith lord we all know and love…
Talk to you soon
EDIT: Actually, this doesn’t work because Dooku’s speeder doesn’t have a laser cannon. Still, more can be made of the whole thing. Maybe there’s audio somewhere of Christopher Lee saying “Kill them,” which could be turned into a radio transmission to his wingmen.
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- #155457
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- Episode II by the Phantom Editor
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If I'm ever able to download a copy of this edit, I'll post a list of changes.
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- #155455
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- Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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Episode II only had a half a Wilhelm, or Wilhelm's cousin or whatever.
Very interesting! I will put a Wilhelm scream somewhere in the mix, maybe in the arena, if you insist
But JEEZ!! this movie could have been so much more.
You bet it could have been. And I would have done the romance much more differently. I would have an Anakin in his twenties fall in love with a complete stranger, an outsider that seduces him on his mission. Someone that doesn't care about the consequences for Anakin and has never met a Jedi before. A nightclub singer or someone like that. And this would happen while Anakin is on some kind of mission, rather than going to a romantic planet and having scene after scene of them sitting around talking and not doing anything else. But...the chance for that is gone and that's a different discussion entirely.
I'm working on the nightclub sequence and dropping in some shots from Blade Runner for a much darker feel to the thing. The original scene just seems far too sterile and harmless for my taste. I posted a little screenshot comparison for you to see:
Original Scene
New Scene
You can see that I had to change the color scheme of the scene so that the different clips of footage will seem as though they're from the same sequence. Also, the two editing styles are different- it's much more claustrophobic in BR, which I like. So this is another sequence where I'll be needing to do a lot of cropping from the full-screen DVD to match. Plus, this will help in the establishing nightclub shot- the less we see the better because otherwise, it's harder to figure out what part of the room the BR shots are coming from. If it's just a crowded claustrophic mess, it's good- that's what it should be anyway. That's why Zam went in in the first place.
Comments or criticisms?
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- #155183
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- <strong>The "ADigitalMan Special Editions" DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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Maybe my relative ignorance of mpg encoding is showing itself again, but it would seem as though if you did a soft wipe on an mpg, output as uncompressed AVI, and then re-encoded with a high quality encoder at a constant bitrate that exceedes that of either of the two clips you're joining (which is my process), that you wouldn't be losing any quality whatsoever. At least, I can't detect any difference between the re-encodes and the official DVD. Am I correct on this? I'll have to post some files to show you what I'm talking about.
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- #155180
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- Episode II by the Phantom Editor
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Thanks anyway- I was more interested in a list of changes.
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- #155178
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- Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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My pleasure! Wow- more GREAT suggestions on scenes that I hadn’t figured out how to improve yet, particularly the scene en route to Naboo. Great suggestion on an R2 “food stealing” episode- I’ll see if I might be able to find a shot and color correct/blue screen it to make it work. Good ideas on recutting the opening, which brought to my attention something else (the lack of quality in the music score for this scene). But even BETTER ideas on how to cut out Anakin’s oh-so-clever advances on Padme. I know exactly what you’re talking about when you say that less is more when dealing with attraction. I know the other way certainly doesn’t work (personal experience
Padme is much more likely to fall in love with someone that isn’t trying so hard. Which brings up the issue of line delivery- be prepared for an entirely different take on Anakin and his attitude. He will sound a lot more “manly” in this one, and hopefully this will overpower the face and the two will blend together for a more believable and likable Anakin. As it stood in the original cut (to summarize):
1. Anakin whines about not having seen Padme for ten years.
2. They are reunited. Anakin delivers a couple awkward lines, and Padme smiles. Then, Anakin complains and whines to Obi-Wan. Padme looks on and then walks out.
3. Padme covers up the security cameras.
4. Anakin whines about Obi-Wan’s unfairness. Padme listens.
5. Anakin smirks suggestively at Padme on the ship headed for Naboo. He reveals that he’s been dreaming about her. She listens.
6. Anakin makes clever small talk about how irritating sand is. Then, they kiss.
7. Anakin says that a dictatorship would probably work. Then, after being prompted, he says that he actually wasn’t kidding. The two roll around in the grass.
8. Anakin makes his awful speech. Padme says their romance won’t work.
9. Anakin tells Padme he slaughtered a bunch of women and children. Padme says it’s OK to feel bad sometimes.
10. They smooch and get married.
I think that most of this illogical stuff is eliminated now. As for the opening scene, marvelous idea in having the editing style from R2’s point of view. Lucas even admits that R2 was not even written into the scene at first- he was added later as an afterthought. This supports your view, and I do notice that there are a lot more reaction shots from R2 in the OT than in the PT. I had already cut this scene, but it looks like I'll be going back anyhow for music, so it won't be a problem to do it this way. As you said, the “been there, done that” approach is all too apparent, and I look forward to getting hold of the full-screen DVD again to get a close-up shot of R2 at the counter. And I also completely agree about Anakin and Zam's crash landing- they will crash and the chase will continue immediately.
I was under the impression, however, that Trooperman had already locked in his draft cut and was just working on finalizing a finished version of that. Or is he still taking suggestions?
Yes, I am definitely still taking suggestions. To tell you the truth, I never actually completed my rough cut, which I did on an inferior program and had no way to adjust color, do soft wipes, or anything of the kind. That was also assuming a deadline of this Christmas, and there’s not the slightest chance of that happening. Same thing with the Lama-Su audition deadline; I was only too happy to get Nanner Split at this date, simply because I’m very much behind schedule. So my men are working as fast as they can; nobody needs to find “new ways to motivate them”
But yes, I’m cutting and recutting so much these days- there are certain scenes that have to be locked down at specific times, but some that are not as highly synchronized yet and are open to suggestion. I will be receiving two other Episode II edits in the future (Nichol’s edit and also Rebel Scumb’s DVD edition of his original lost cut). This will complete my education on what people have done with this movie, and it’ll make it certain that I’m not missing any good editing opportunities in my cut. Also, I’ve gotten another idea, which is browsing the web and reading some people’s “101 things I hate about Episode II” lists. They were just intended as complaints, (and most have been addressed in my cut-MTHaslett hit a surprising number of the general character complaints that had come up) but some bring up a couple of great points that hadn’t occurred to me. They are now part of my cut.
So I guess what I’m saying is that however much more work you think an idea is, NOW is the time to give it to me, because the likelihood is, I probably haven’t even gotten to it yet. In a couple weeks, after viewing these two new edits and incorporating any new ideas from the forums, I will probably not be as eager to go back and make major changes to something I’ve already cut, although I want this to be the best film possible and I certainly won’t blow off anything. If anyone has a great idea at ANY point in time, therefore, I'm definitely open.
Please, if you have any more suggestions, no matter how crazy (especially related to greater charm and droid involvement), please come forward now. Little things like the R2 incident en route to Naboo are great because they add charm but don’t burden the plot or the pace of the movie. And now that I’m on it, I was just thinking that it’s just as well that R2 goes to help the couple while 3PO stays on the ship- this is consistent with his behavior in the original. He really has no attachment to R2, even less than he did in the original- why would he be concerned about following R2? After all, he basically lets R2 go away in the desert, saying the twerp will probably malfunction within a day. His attachment to R2 (“R2, don’t leave me!”- ROTJ) only developed during the OT.
So please give me any suggestions you have- I’m thrilled that MTH still had more great advice this late in the game! Try to outdo him
And Sluggo, I will try my best to remember the “1138”
Another thing I’m doing (which I had forgotten about) was the sound of the clonetrooper’s mikes turning on and off. Completely forgot about that- thanks CC! Also, I did make a few changes to the map of scenes, but forgot to update the forum with them. Here they are, from my personal notes:MAP OF SCENES
1. Opening scroll/entrance into Coruscant
2. Interior shot of ship
3. Ships land
4. Ship explodes. Corde dies.
5. Palpatine and Council scene.
6. Palpatine and Amidala scene.
7. Anakin and Obi-Wan show up at Padme’s apartment. They have meeting.
8. Part of Anakin/Obi-Wan discussion (at night). Cut with interior shots of bedroom.
9. Shot of unknown person putting something in droid. Droid flies away.
10. Anakin and Obi-Wan talk about mother. Meanwhile droid lands and unleashes bugs. (cut together).
11. They sense danger. Obi-Wan jumps out window. Anakin says to stay here. “Are you all right?”
12. Chase scene- describe in more detail later
13. The ships crash. Anakin chases Zam and meets with Kenobi
14. Anakin/Kenobi talk and go into club. Obi-Wan catches assassin.
15. Outdoor scene with Zam. Zam is shot.
16. Jedi Council scene with Obi-Wan and Anakin. “Track down this bounty hunter.”
17. Anakin/Palpatine conversation. Fade to black.
18. Anakin’s dream sequence. Intercut with images of Tuskens and of Shmi. “Don’t look back.”
19. Padme hands the reigns to Jar-Jar
20. Padme and handmaiden cry and say goodbye.
21. “Don’t do anything without consulting either myself or the council.”
22. “I do hope he doesn’t do anything foolish”
23. Jedi Temple Analysis robot scene
24. Jedi Library/Obi-Wan talks with Yoda
25. Anakin and Padme dinner aboard ship
26. Mace and Obi-Wan talk. Obi-Wan leaves in ship
27. Anakin and Padme land at Naboo and talk as they walk out/Opening shots from kitchen scene, then Bedroom scene. “They all died.”
28. Obi-Wan lands on Kamino and talks to Lama-Su
29. Dinner and kitchen scene-Anakin and Padme
30. Lama-Su shows Obi-Wan the clones.
31. Grassy picnic scene
32. Obi-Wan and Jango talk in apartment.
33. Anakin and Padme moonlit scene-leads directly into fireside scene
34. Obi-Wan exits Kamino. Sends message.
35. Mace and Yoda receive message and talk.
36. Jango and Obi-Wan have fight. Obi-Wan throws homing thing on Jango’s ship as it exits.
37. Anakin and Padme. Anakin tells her he has to leave.
38. Jango and Obi-Wan have space dogfight above Geonosis
39. Anakin and Watto chat on Tatooine
40. Obi-Wan follows Jango and lands on Geonosis
41. Anakin and Padme meet C-3PO
42. Anakin and Padme meet Owen, Beru, and Clieg Lars
43. Anakin and Cliegg chat about Shmi’s fate at the dinner table
44. Anakin sulks outside. Hugs Padme and leaves to find mother.
45. Search montage as Anakin….searches.
46. Obi-Wan sneaks around. Overhears Nute and Dooku talking. Spies on them as they talk at table.
47. Anakin finds the tent-dark scene.
48. Shmi dies in Anakin’s arms.
49. Anakin goes bananas.
50. Yoda’s scene- “Skywalker is in pain.”
51. Anakin returns home and stares at everyone sullenly.
52. Anakin and Padme talk in the garage.
53. Obi-Wan searches for Anakin’s signal outside. Realizes where he is and transmits message.
54. Funeral scene
55. They listen to R2’s message and transmit it. We cut between this and Coruscant as both parties listen.
56. Message ends. Anakin and Padme disobey Mace and depart Tatooine to save Obi-Wan.
57. Coruscant scene- “We must stop them before they’re ready.” Jar-Jar is duped.
58. Dooku talks to his prisoner, Obi-Wan.
59. Jar-Jar gives Palpatine emergency powers. Yoda and Mace talk.
60. Anakin and Padme arrive at Geonosis.
61. Anakin and Padme get out of ship and enter a passage.
62. Droids bicker. R2 leaves. “Have you no sense at all?”
63. Anakin slices up some Geonosians (unseen until this point).
64. Droid factory scene
65. Trial scene
66. “I love you.” First kiss scene.
67. Into the arena- the heroes are chained up.
68. Dooku and company arrive.
69. Escaping the monsters
70. No way out- surrounded by droids
71. Mace and the other Jedi show up. Big battle.
72. Jedi are finished. Dooku makes speech.
73. Yoda and the clones save the day- gunships take off and Dooku leaves
74. Boba Fett holds his father’s helmet
75. Yoda/Mace talk, and Anakin/Obi-Wan/Padme hit the fuel cells.
76. War room scene 1
77. More fighting
78. War room scene 2-Death Star is handed off to Dooku
79. Battle/Dooku escapes on speeder
80. Yoda and the clones take down a starship
81. Little clip of Obi-Wan and Anakin aboard ship/Little clip of battle-dramatic lighting
82. Dooku speeder chase
83. Padme falls overboard- Obi-Wan and Anakin argue
84. Yoda reacts to this (“Hmm.”). The droid army is in full retreat. “Bring me a ship.”
85. They chase Dooku into the hangar. He goes in and they run in after him.
86. Confrontation. Anakin rushes ahead and is force-pushed (or something) by Dooku. Lies on ground.
87. Padme is safe. Runs away with clone.
88. Obi-Wan gets creamed.
89. Anakin interferes, saving Obi-Wan.
90. Yoda enters during. “Master Yoda.” Dooku starts throwing objects at Yoda.
91. “I’ve become more powerful than any Jedi.” Brings crane down on heroes, chops Anakin’s arm, and runs for his life.
92. Yoda lifts the crane. (climactic moment with appropriate music)
93. Dooku escapes. Padme shoots at him in vain. Then, she runs in and hugs Anakin.
94. Dooku and Sidious chat.
95. Mace, Obi-Wan, and Yoda chat.
96. The beginning of the end. Palpatine looks at his handiwork and tries to look upset.
97. Marriage
98. End credits (with original score)
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- #154741
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- Episode II by the Phantom Editor
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- #154549
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- A long time ago...
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Does anyone know what I'm talking about?
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- #154547
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- Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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- #154546
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- .: The Lancer DVD Project :. (* unfinished project *)
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I'm sure that there are lots of folks that would hit the ceiling over this one, but have not checked out the thread in a while. Don't be discouraged! Some folks really appreciate it; they just can't give feedback right away.
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- #154524
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- <strong>The "ADigitalMan Special Editions" DVD Info and Feedback Thread</strong> (Released)
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One observation, though; it seems as though you use a lot of hard cuts in your edits between scenes. Actually, all of them (I think) that you changed seem to be hard cuts. I'm curious whether this an artistic decision or an inability to do the soft transitions on your system.
If it's the latter, than if you were ever planning to do a revision of your edits, I'd be happy to do any transitions for you and put them up for download. In fact, I could do them for you now if you wanted...
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- #154523
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- Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154523/action/topic#154523
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It was good enough for the opening scene of ANH as the rebels wait for that door to get cut open ;-)
True...but that was a static shot, not a zoom. Still, I understand exactly what you're saying with cutting back to the master, but not where you left off. As usual, I was dense and didn't understand what you were saying the first time around. I'm thinking of taking Twister's suggestion so that I can use the close-up of Yoda (who's not saying anything) for whatever I want.
You make perfect sense in saying why you have to flip both the master and the c.u.
I'm actually thinking of flipping almost this whole scene. Again, Palpatine figures more prominently in the framing:
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- #154502
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- Recreating the crawling text..
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Why did you want that? (And I assume you meant "up instead of down"?)
In the original crawl for Episode II, the camera pans up instead of down. All of the other 5 movies pan down, and I wanted this one to pan down as well (with a 180 rotation to the frame). So Reb1138 was able to do that and make it pan down by taking the first frame after the crawl faded out, rotating it 180, and using that as the background plate for the new crawl. Hence, the gradual flipping wasn’t necessary.
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- #154487
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- Recreating the crawling text..
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154487/action/topic#154487
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- #154262
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- Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154262/action/topic#154262
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The combination of great music/OT styling (please add a little "film look" aging)/voice dubbing/ and actual story changes here makes me look forward to this like it's the actual release of the film -- that "Attack of the Clones" was just a test screening before they went back for retooling.
This thread is "the Ranch" as far as I'm concerned.
I'm completely flattered by this. Thank you all for your tremendous support for this project. Even though it's just a handful of you- it makes all the difference to me.
It's occurred to me that it'll be a really good idea to start backing up all of my files at this point. I'm just having visions of all you guys so excited about this project, and then I get a virus or my PC crashes and I lose everything. This CANNOT happen.
Now, regarding Nanner Split doing Lama-Su....
I thought they sounded terrible, quite frankly.
Yes, but you are your hardest judge, I think. I was very impressed with your edited readings, the ones where you lowered the timbre of your voice. The raw ones...not so much
Now granted, none of the lines you read are read the way I would want them to be in the movie (and I would give you advice on these before you did the lines from your two scenes), but I'm just saying that the quality of your voice and your accent are very nice. You sound more like Lama-Su than Lama-SuNow, here's the only thing I was wondering about...could you send me a full-quality .wav reading, using the best equipment you have? I just noticed that there's a lot of background noise in the files you sent, and I'm not sure whether that's just the compression to the mp3 or the original quality of the recording. If you could do that, it'd be great; that's the only thing I'm apprehensive about. You see, this mix is probably going to be under very heavy scrutiny after this comes out, and we don't want people to be able to distinguish between original digital mix and the new PC recordings.
TROOPERMAN, YOU ROCK!!! The diner scene is cut!!! All is well. Thank you. No pressure, but PLEASE RELEASE A TORRENT OR SOMETHING for the movie!!!
Thank you! I always disliked the diner scene. As far as a torrent...I'm on dial-up and I am not really Internet-savvy at all. But when the time comes, I'll find out how to upload it to the Internet from a computer with DSL, for you to see.
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I'm glad you all liked the lightsaber clips- a bit of trivia is that I had to go back into the mix after I was done and remove the Darth Vader breathing sounds that had somehow crept into the mix
The animated duel shot in the original mix is so horrible
I do think so, especially because there were no hums, no swinging sounds, and there were three or four hits that didn't even match up with the action. The choreography was done in the style of the OT- it just needed a better mix. Anyway...
Conference scene- thank you MTHaslett and Twister for your suggestions. I'll use them and play around with this to see what will work. The thing is, once I leave the master shot, I don't want to come back to it; it doesn't seem right. Also, there are a couple shots that need to happen in a specific order, as this is the beginning of the movie and we're reintroducing people. The first shot of Mace, for example; the slow zoom in this shot introduces him and we can't have it after another shot. I also noticed that the rough thing I put together has a lot of talking and no pausing going on. The real reason for this was because I was trying to cram all the dialogue in before I cut to Palpatine.
Several of you mentioned the transition and the cut to Palpatine as looking "off". They are off, as I noted when I tried to post it the first time. They are little program errors and both these issues will be fixed. I think the transition was off because the PC had a problem with the fact that I slowed down the Corde shot and the establishing shot at different rates.
I'm sure that will extend to help the painfully stilted dialogue delivery in the subsequent portions with Natalie Portman.
Absolutely- actually, this has some new music as well. We start the separatist/mystery theme, and then we go into a beautiful "old movie" type of underscore that tells you some drama and tension is going on. The music carries the transition as well. There's a very practical reason I did this beyond the artistic- they didn't include the original music on the soundtrack disc and the elevator scene is cut. Also, I wanted to remove Padme's line, "Thank you, Master Windu" (poor delivery), so this was the ideal opportunity.
GREAT decision to throw in that little Emperor's cue from ROTJ at the beginning of the conference scene! That immediately takes us right back to the OT and lets the audience know they can expect to see Palpatine. Magnificent. Little things like that are what's going to take this project beyond anyone's expectations.
Thanks- I was wondering if anyone would pick up on that! Also noticed that I merged it with the g minor strings thing from track 3 of disc 1, ROTJ, to give it more length, to make it carry over into the following scene, and also to remove Darth Vader's theme from the previous. And then I grabbed a generic rendition of the separatist theme for inside (in the same key) as a stand-in. For the final, it'll be a new rendition on tuba.
I'm going to find out who you are, tie you to your computer and make you finish this NOW
Oh, no you don't
I guess I'll have to post something I botched completely now. The scene reversal as well, but I'd encourage you not to reverse the closeups of Palpatine in his chair; it looks rather odd. Of course if you have another reason for this I don't realize, you know best.
Well, one reason is continuity with the crystal thing on his desk (doesn't really matter, though). Another reason is because it looks a bit odd the other way because suddenly the camera seems to be on the opposite side of the establishing shot. Not sure if I'm making any sense.
In my following post, I'll discuss the great changes list that was posted for me.
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- #153785
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- Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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Sorry for my delay...you deserve better but I'm so busy lately. I'll respond as quickly as possible.
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- #153105
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- A long time ago...
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I don't, but there was definitely a deleted thread that contained this info, along with several screenshots of the restored original card.
Which is why I was wondering if anyone who posted at that time would be so kind as to help me out.
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- #153104
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- Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153104/action/topic#153104
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Conference Problem
And thank you very much, MTH and CC, if you do wind up compiling a list of the changes for me. This would help me as well as many others. Thank you very much
And here’s a little more of the saber fight:
sabers in progressE
For comparison, here’s Burtt’s original mix:
original mix
As usual, feedback is more than welcome
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- #152735
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- A long time ago...
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/152735/action/topic#152735
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I'm trying to do a DVD quality version of the original logos for SW for my prequel edits. It seems as though the fox logo can be ripped from "Alien", and the Lucasfilm logo can be ripped from the Ewok DVD, but is there a DVD quality frame of the "A long time ago" title card? I seem to remember a thread regarding this (containing a couple restored title cards), but I guess it's been deleted.I guess this is a request- any help would be appreciated! Thank you. (and btw, if it wouldn't be too much trouble, I was wondering if someone could also post a rip of the fox logo from the original DVD of "Alien", which I don't own. It'll only be used to restore the opening SW logos and would be helpful for many besides me. Thanks
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- #152692
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- Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/152692/action/topic#152692
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Sluggo, your description matches what I had originally planned for this scene. But... MTHaslett convinced me otherwise. He said that if I'm going to include this scene, Padme cannot suspect that Anakin is serious about the dictator thing- it has to be a complete tease, and the scene has to end this way. Because if she believes he is serious, this would turn her off very much. Since I'm dubbing Anakin, I can help this along even more by sounding playful and not serious.
Remember how this scene goes in my cut- we have a "Sound of Music" type thing with establishing shots of the green mountains and Naboo scenery (with full-blown love theme). We fade to Anakin and Padme rolling around on grass. Then, we go to their conversation. This shows a passage of time and their falling in love, implying that more is going on than we're seeing. But yes, this scene will be in SotDS.
How's everything on the dubbing side? I can't begin to imagine the difficulty in getting the slaughter confession just right. That was one of Hayden's better acted scenes (He actually displays emotion and it didn't feel awkward to watch). *I* must confess that I'm super eager to see what you've done with it since it probably requires a little more intensity performance-wise. Think about the last time you were really angry... That might help?
The dubbing is going a little slowly- I need to start really getting on that. But if you remember, Anakin doesn't actually tell Padme about his slaughter in my cut. Again, Padme would be very much turned off upon discovering that Anakin goes around murdering people when he gets upset. Anakin might have a soliloquy or voice-over at the beginning or end of the scene, but maybe not; it depends on how it works, if it isn't corny, and if it fits with the overall style.
Maybe it would be a good idea for someone to compile a list of all the changes Trooperman has discussed and confirmed throughout this thread and tack it to the first post of the first page so we can reference it? Is that even possible?
That would be entirely possible, and I would do it if I had the time. In fact, I probably will have to do it, because even I'm forgetting some of your comments and the things I had decided 15 pages ago...if someone could go through and summarize for me, that would be great. I'd post it on the front page.
Oh, and since you are doing such cool things to this film, could you put in a 1138 in there somewhere? Somehow it is not a Star Wars film with out it.
Absolutely! But you may need to remind me of it in the future.
I don't know if you have the RotS DVD yet
No, I didn't get it yet. I should probably get that soon...
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THE CONFERENCE SCENE DILEMMA
conference problem
The clip above, again, is unfinished. Most noticeably, the transition is wrong and something is wrong with the beginning of the closeup of Palpatine- easily fixed. I just rendered the unfinished footage from the storyboard. But the thing is....notice how in the first wide shot of the conference room, Mace and the white bearded fellow talk, but it is very clear that their lips aren't moving. I could crop them out of the shot using the full-screen DVD, but that would completely butcher the framing of this shot, and I don't want to do it by any means. The only solution seems to be to somehow subtlely blur Windu's mouth only, so that it is unclear whether his lips are moving or not. I can't really do this, though- I have a really hard time doing professional looking shots that only change a small part of the frame. Maybe I can make a request in the General Preservation forum for someone else to do this one shot for me?
It's coming, guys
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- #152278
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- Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/152278/action/topic#152278
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The only thing I would be hesitant about is how MTHaslett feels about this, but he said it will be more pleasant for me to hear someone else be Lama Su if you can take my place.
So, if you're interested, I would just need a sample of your voice to make sure you don't sound like Mickey Mouse, and I can give you some more details at that point
If you're interested, PM me.