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#250314
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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*triumphant Star Wars theme music plays*

My files are back, and SOTDS is back along with them. You all have Adywan to thank for this one. My deepest thanks, sir. I won't go into details, but he supplied me with an.... alternate method of getting the files;p All of the important stuff is here. My ADR, everyone else's ADR, all of the audio tracks and the custom surround splits, the transitions, all of the video tests, the rotoscoped frames, soundtracks... everything. I really believe that this program rescued all of my files.

"I've been there, slaving away and then *poof* it's gone. It's like a nuke goes off in your brain."

Think about I felt on Thurday/Friday, thinking that this entire thing was down the drain. I felt sick almost. But the files are back and I will continue work shortly.

I'm really very happy right now. That was a close one.

I hope you'll forgive me for a week or two delay on the release date. I was really hoping to get a lot done this weekend, what with Columbus day and all. Then this had to happen.

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THX has just gotten me his recordings for the stormtroopers, Jango Fett, and Owen Lars. I will listen to them as soon as I'm able to.

I also want to thank those of you that offered to help me pay for that other program. I'm really amazed and very please that you're generous enough to pay money to see this completed. Hey, maybe I can charge every time this movie is copied!

Oh wait, that's illegal...
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#250269
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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Thanks for your comments and help, guys. You don't know how devastating this was to me. I've asked around, and I'm going to try some more things (Adywan was also kind enough to help me out). If it's not solved by the end of the week, I'll just bite the bullet, buy the program, and get my files back. Just from looking at the recoverable material, it looks like next week I'll be able to pick up exactly where I left off, which is nice.

Unfortunately, discs might not start going out until the beginning of December, with this setback. What can you do, though. I'm just praying that everything's intact. Luckily, I saved most of the video and my actual project files on a different drive, so I already know that that's survived.

On the good side, I have some more fantastic ADR recordings from Sluggo, and hairy_hen is going to attempt the character of Jar-Jar. Once I can get to my files, I will send him the dialogue.

Thanks!
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#250181
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
Time
Hi folks, thanks for all the comments. No time to talk now, but suffice it to say that this entire project was almost destroyed last Thursday(see here).

The drive spontaneously malfunctioned and became corrupted and unreadable, which was the worst of my fears. After trying a lot of other stuff, I downloaded a trial of DiskInternals NTFS Recovery 1.5 (here) and was able to see most of my files intact, to my relief. However, I can't save or access these files without plunking down $100. Any help or suggestions would be much appreciated....
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#250019
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External HD
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Thanks for the reply, Zion. The "add new hardware" doesn't work, because what keeps happening is that it recognizes the case, but not the Maxtor drive inside the case. It also tries to install software for the case, which is impossible because it's a plug-and-play device.

So I really hope that the hard drive itself wasn't affected by any of this. I'll let you know what happens after I try those other options (including plugging direct into the motherboard)...
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#250006
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External HD
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Sorry if this isn't the right place for this, but I was wondering if any of you could help me out.

I have an external Maxtor HD (160GB) that I have hooked up in an external HD case and connected to my PC via firewire. It had always worked fine before, and it was great for the first few months, but yesterday, for no reason at all, I switched on the drive and it didn't do its usual blinking sequence. The lights switched on, but I knew already that something wasn't right. I went to My Computer and lo and behold, the three drives (I had partioned the Maxtor into different drives) were all missing.

So I restart, plug it into different ports, download a windows update that's supposed to correct that problem ( microsoft.com, try to revert the firewire drivers back to SP1, everything. I've tried everything, and nothing works. When I go into control panel, system, hardware, and then look at the device manager, I actually see the external HD on the list. But it has a yellow exclamation point next to it. I go to properties, and it says:

Windows has stopped this device because it has reported problems (Code 43).

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If my files were to be somehow wiped out, or corrupted, or if the drive has to be reformatted, then it would be a disaster. All the audio files (and some video) from my project "Shroud of the Dark Side" were on that disk, and I only backed up some of it, thinking that the external HD was reliable.

Do you think it's just the external case gone bad? Is there any chance that my files are somehow irretrievable? Later today, I'm going to try putting the HD in a different case, and if that doesn't work, actually installing the Maxtor into the body of the computer.

Any help would be really appreciated. I'm scared to death about this...

-TM
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#248927
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Star Wars prequel film noir (* unfinished project *)
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OK, I'm liking these ideas, C3PX. Although I did like my idea of Padme following Anakin to the volcanic area and witnessing him killing the Nemoidians. And her subsequent death. But you're right that allowing her to live will eliminate the contradiction with Leia.

What I do want to make sure happens, though, is that we have some kind of sequence where we see the effects of the Dark Side on Anakin's personal life. The bars, the drinking, the neglecting his wife, and so on. Of course, this can only be effective (and heart-wrenching) if we set up that Anakin is a good, loving person beforehand. Before he starts being bad, as it were. It is always horrifying to the audience when you set up that someone is a good guy, and then you show them doing bad things. There is no transition in ROTS. I know a lot of people have made fun of this, but it's true. Anakin is a good person all the way up until the fight with Windu, and then he's off to go killing children. Obviously this is stupid. We need some steps in-between, more seduction by Palpatine, an illustration of how Anakin is changing (and becoming bad). Then, he makes the critical decision to intervene in the fight with Windu. Then, we see a sequence or montage of him killing Jedi. This sequence would end with him beheading the Christopher Lee Jedi and having Palpatine laugh in his chair. Only then could we possibly show him killing the children.

So I agree that this should be about a good man that made the wrong choices, but I don't like George's idea that Anakin was the victim and he did it all out of love. Darth Vader picked the Dark Side because he liked it and it was FUN. And he got immediate gratification and powers he never knew he had.

So the list (as to why this is better than the existing PT story) so far is:

-No contradiction when Ben says, "That boy is our last hope."
-No contradiction when Leia remembers her mother
-No plot hole where Anakin comes from Tatooine and Luke gets sent to Tatooine
-No midichlorians
-Anakin doesn't build C3PO
-No CG yoda whatsoever. As originally conceived, Yoda is the little man on the side of the road that you listen to, and then find out he's not who you thought he was
-No Chewbacca/Yoda relationship
-No Jar-Jar
-No General Grievous
-No whining Anakin
-We lose a myriad of other problems and bad memories associated with the existing PT


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#248919
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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"I think the HAL 9000 idea actually came from TM saying that he didn't like the analysis droid scene that much, and what he would really prefer would be to digitally replace the jedi analysis droids with a sort of jedi analysis computer, and he gave HAL 9000 as an example as to what it might look like."

That's correct, and I think it would work too. Not actually using HAL, of course, but just that type of thing. There are only a couple shots with Obi-Wan and the droids in the same frame, and the others can be completed replaced with the new machine. You can bet that some type of large computer processor would be a lot closer to the OT style than CG droids zipping around and wearing spiked hair. The whole spiked hair conversation really cracked me up, by the way

I don't think it'd be that hard for a SPX guy, though....

http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/5546/jedianalysisplate2fk6.jpg

The music in that scene is actually from "Citizen Kane". In temp, I used brooding music from Psycho, and then realized it was far too familiar to use. Of course, the same could be said about other music I'm using, like some music from "Raiders". But that's a flaw inherent in the project- if I were to find less familiar cues that conveyed the same type of emotion, then I'd use them.


"Still don't like the droids look and movement. "

Neither do I.

"The ONLY thing I think you could try and do (until replacing the droids entirely with a HAL 3000) would maybe play with the frame rate (like you are doing with yoda). Maybe make them look a little jerky...a little stop-motion-y, if you will."

I could- the problem being that Obi-Wan is in a couple of the shots, making that impossible. If I did it for some shots and not others, it wouldn't be consistent.

"One more thing...I had a hard time understanding his last sentence. He said "It's a toxic kyber dart." Then I had to watch it 2 more times to finally get the rest."

I'll see what I can do- I was actually expecting that comment from more people.

The basic problem with this scene is that it throws a wrench into everything I've been working on in this movie. The style of the effects up to that point is very good, and then you get to this scene and it goes to pot with the gratuitous CG animation. For the DVD-5 release, however, (edition 1) it's looking like this is the way it'll be.

I'm glad that people are liking it, though. I could post more video clips, but I don't really want to give much else away. I haven't come close to showing you the best sections yet.

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I completed the whole trial/confession/arena sequence yesterday, up to the point where the Jedi are surrounded by the droids. The only things missing are a few shots I haven't rotoscoped yet. The method in which I built the sound mix was... pretty ridiculous, considering the fact that I took all of the sound effects from the final mix of AOTC, and added my own music and sound effects when necessary. It was pretty pathetic that originally the music was mixed so low into the track (and when it is audible, it's mostly percussion) that this was even possible. It shouldn't have been possible.

I'm getting more excited than any of you about this, because I just watched the arena sequence, and it's so much fun. I used a couple tricks while I was at it, on a couple of the monster shots, to make them more realistic. For instance, on the rhino, I chroma-keyed out some of the bright red, so that it blends a little better. There's also two close-ups in this sequence that aren't particularly long, but they give it so much meaning. I stumbled on both of the shots by accident.

Anyway, I'm excited! Work continues...
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#248914
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Audio Volume
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Originally posted by: Goose
Hi- first proper post for some time!

I've got a long standing preservation project that uses a variety of SW sound effects, sourced from the Internet, soundtrack CDs and audio captures from the movies.

I have tried to standardize the volume of these effects by subjectively altering each file so that they sound about the same (to my ear, anyway!) but this is imprecise at best.

Is there some way of batch processing these audio files so that they all end up at the same volume level? My knowledge of video manipulation is reasonable, but audio files are somewhat more challenging...

Any ideas gratefully accepted!

G


I'd love an answer to this question as well

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#248773
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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robot scene

Basically I made the best of what I had. I still don't like the CG robots, but what can you do? It's certainly better than Dex, the four-armed CG cook.

And thanks so much for all of your tips on where to find the 3po dialogue. I've ordered the OOT DVD's, which contain the 04 editions, so I'll be able to extract center channel from that. I'll also check the radio dramas if I have time.

It's coming, guys! The end is in sight... I'll probably have an approximate running time for this by mid-October.
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#248772
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Star Wars prequel film noir (* unfinished project *)
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Some great conceptual notes from C3PX.

I agree that Anakin should start out as a good person and deteriorate as the movie goes on. He should definitely not start out lousy. However, an idea that really appeals to me is seeing Anakin's personality get darker and darker as we see Palpatine's influence on him.

The whole "behind Padme's back" thing is just an idea, to be used or not. As far as having him walk out on her, I don't know if I'd do that, because we lose the climax of Anakin killing her in his ultimate use of the Dark Side. At that point, he's gone.


"Lets say he left her, or maybe even better yet she leaves him. This could add more to his feeling of betrayal. Perhaps he is the one involved in politics and not her, or maybe he is just a jedi who are essentially detectives/cops. Maybe he is a work aholic, coming home late every night and she feels neglected and leaves him, later it turns out she was pregnant but maybe she didn't know that when she left and never bothered to tell him, or he "died" before she got the chance. This way Vader never would have imagined the possibility of having any offspring. This could be tailored to fit the OT flawlessly (as flawless as possible that is). Imagine if after Anakin's wife leaves him she, Obi-wan, Anakin's closest friend feels she was treated badly by her husband and tries to comfort her and help her out, they could end up growing closer and closer and Anakin could discover this. This would even more rationalize Anakin's total turn from the jedi and his trying to kill his best friend."

But this is a really good point. I like this idea too.


"It is a shame there are no scenes of Anakin fighting any Jedi, we only get to see him getting ready to commit the murder of half a dozen or so 7 years olds. "

This is where the whole noir/B&W thing comes in handy. There's nothing saying we can't resequence footage and use it for a completely different purpose. For example, Christopher Lee is a Jedi that comes in to kill the Emperor, and Anakin kills him. Palpatine laughs, "Good Anakin, good!" And we go to the next scene.

This is the most powerful Jedi killing scene I can think of. I'd guess I'd really have to see the vid-game
footage to see whether it'd work or not. In black & white, it may be useful.

"Except that it the city ought to fill up the whole surface except for giant valleys along its surface which are too unstable to build in due to volcanic activity."

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This project would be entirely rooted in the planning, the mapping out of the new history, the new story, what footage will be used, and (most important of all), the new script. If this can be done, (and if an actress can be found for Padme), then there's a very good chance I'll do this, because the major work is not in the execution.

Spence- it'd be great if you could work on a script, along with anyone else that's interested (of course this would include me). The idea of using dialogue and ideas from the novel is a really good idea.

Another good brainstorming idea at this point is to list all of the contradictions we want to eliminate with this movie. A list of all of Obi-Wan's OT dialogue about Anakin and his personality, for instance. And a list of things that are possible to avoid.

For example:

-No midichlorians
-No contradiction when Obi-Wan says, "That boy is our last hope" in Empire

Etc.

You guys have come up with some great ideas so far. I really think that if we bounce ideas off of each other in the forum and work on the script together, then this will be a great movie.

Thanks so much!

-TM
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#248202
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Star Wars prequel film noir (* unfinished project *)
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Yes, I think that if this is ever made, I'll go for 16x9 anamorphic.

I just had what I think is a really good idea- tell me what you think. Since Metropolis was brought up, I was thinking about Coruscant itself.

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Picture this:


HAD ABADDON. Capital of the Republic. One side is nothing but a huge city, but the far side is a lava-filled, volcanic wasteland. It's where convicts, political enemies, and other criminals are sent. So you see, the entire story takes place on Had Abaddon (except for flashbacks).

Good idea?
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#248199
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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Actually, they won't have white sabers in THIS movie, simply because I didn't use any shots where they have their sabers ignited.

Sorry I haven't uploaded the scene- I've been really busy lately.



I have a question to ask you- Did C3PO ever say any of the following: Wa.. wait! There must be some mistake! Come back! Wait for me!

I'd be really grateful if anyone remembers.... I know I've heard those lines before.
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#247804
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OUT: PAL or NTSC?
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Unfortunately, when you have perfect pitch (as I do), you can't even watch a PAL movie you're familiar with, because the music is absolutely butchered. Whereas the main title theme is supposed to be in B-flat, in PAL it's actually between B and C- a non key.

You can't even watch the movie because the music drives you nuts throughout.
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#247633
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Star Wars prequel film noir (* unfinished project *)
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Originally posted by: Laserman
You may want to grab some of the 1080i versions floating around before you start.
Once you turn it back to into 1080P you will have a lot more scope for creative work if your final output is going to be 16x9 at 720x480
For example if your starting images are HD then you can zoom in on a characters face by a factor of at least two and still not get noticable pixelation at SD res, it will allow you to crop shots etc. without degradation in your final piece.


That would be great. I'll see if I can find a copy. The files would be very large, though, wouldn't they?

Originally posted by: SilverWook
There are some cityscapes in the original Buck Rogers serial that may have influenced the look of Coruscant. And a couple city shots in the 1979 movie version might be worth a look at for your purposes.


Thanks- I'll check it out



Giving away the ending all depends on what the ending is. Sometimes narrators don't know the whole story; they just carry you to a point near the end where something unexpected happens.

Scene 1

Several establishing shots of Mustafar, taken from RotS or stock footage of volcanoes. OS, in the distance, someone is moaning in pain. Dissolve to Anakin feebly clawing up a lava knoll, moaning louder now.

Anakin (VO): The third degree burns hurt, but not as bad as my pride. Carved up by Ben Kenobi and left like bacon on a skillet. How could I have let myself fall this low? It all started when ...

Scene 1 + a bijillion

Anakin (VO): And now I'm dying on this forsaken cinder of a world.

Palpatine arrives and saves him. Maybe show footage up to his arrival at the surgical center.

Anakin (VO): Looks like I'm not toast after all. But knowing this guy, I'm gonna wish I was.


I like this idea a lot. So often in these movies, the narrator is telling the story of how he got to where he was. But this way, the ending would still be a surprise. Sort of....

The dialogue has the right tone, too! This could be great
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#247566
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Star Wars prequel film noir (* unfinished project *)
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Originally posted by: Scruffy

How are you planning on addressing the Sith and the reorganization of the Republic into the Empire, if at all? I kind of like the idea of Palpatine circuitously talking about "the cause," and "our brothers in the Sith." It could reflect the 1950s fear of communism in the government, but the communists are also anti-Jedi occultists. I don't know how the occult was portrayed in the film noir era, but I'd borrow language from RL occultism.

Palpatine would secretly be "the Grand Master of the Sith." Upon rescuing him from Jedi Master Windu, Anakin would be elevated to "Lord of the Sith," "one of the Dark Lords of the Sith," etc. Anakin would use his Sith philosophy and his advancement in the Order to justify spending less time with his wife or the Jedi. He's a convert, full of a convert's zeal, he's found the True Way now and what do those other people matter anymore?

I REALLY like this idea. "Our brothers in the Sith" and "the cause". We could have some major Palpatine/Anakin brainwashing going on here...

You've said some of this will be Anakin narrating. When is he narrating this? That would influence how he views the events that have happened. Is his life flashing before his eyes as he lays dying on Mustafar?


That's a good question. Yes, it would probably be his life flashing before his eyes. So after the opening credits, maybe the movie would start with a slow zoom on him burning, and then his narration is to tell how he got there. Although I wouldn't really want to give away the ending of the movie right at the beginning like that.

The trouble with him narrating at the height of his power is that his voice would be the Darth Vader voice, which wouldn't be preferable.
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#247553
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Star Wars prequel film noir (* unfinished project *)
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I like the idea of using Metropolis footage for Coruscant. I guess I'd have to see the Shadows of the Empire pics to know if it'd work or not.

Reframing the 2.35 image to something like 1.78 would be a faire trade off.

Actually, that had ocurred to me after I posted that. I probably will just make it 16x9 instead of 4x3.

ower framerate for Jar-Jar. (comedy option)

The neat thing about this actually would be that we wouldn't have to use Jar-Jar... at all. No Jar-Jar.

Laura was mentioned, and that had a very rich score which could be used for some of the early scenes - more idyllic Anakin.

I like this idea. Anakin reflecting on his "innocent" self, maybe, or his romance.

You also mentioned skipping on the music from Psycho, but Psycho does have some precedence in a Star Wars film. There was a cue from Psycho used in Star Wars.

I know the cue you're talking about! I need no more persuasion I love that music.

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Those are really good ideas on specific cues, but does anyone have any conceptual differences that could be pulled off? For example...

While film noir is known more for the femme fatale

Padme doesn't have to be a queen in this one. There's no reason why she'd have to be. She could just be Anakin's wife. To make her a femme fatale, a new actress would be necessary, of course. Actually, her name doesn't even have to be Padme in this one... it could be any two syllable name. Nancy. Lonna. Anything.

MY IDEA:

The neat part about this is that as the movie progresses, we can actually see the effects of the Dark Side on Anakin. In other words, he does a lot of bad things, implied through narration. Doesn't tell his wife where he's going, and starts going out to bars, drinks, walks the streets drunk with thugs and so on- you name it. "Blade Runner" footage would be great for this. Instead of just having Anakin glare at camera and try to look bad, we see the evil effects of the Dark Side. The seduction, the temptation of haing fun without consequences. All stuff that wasn't explored originally. And THEN he starts killing Jedi secretly. In the night. The revelation to Padme at the end of the film is that Palpatine and Vader had been taking over the galaxy behind her back.

And as the movie progresses, Anakin starts to become conniving, and rather slick in his explanations of where he's been. Padme (or whatever the name is), being the trusting wife that she is, believes him at first, but then loses it. Finally, she finds some piece of irrefutable evidence- a hologram or a newscast or something. She cries but she says nothing to Anakin.

Finally, Anakin tells her he's going away for a long trip, longer than any of his other trips. He says it's a special Jedi conference. Padme follows him to the lava planet, and actually witnesses him kill all of the Nemoidians (which are innocent as far as we know). We don't see her witness it, of course, and neither does Anakin, but when Padme confronts Anakin afterwards and says that she saw what Anakin did with her own eyes, he kills her on the spot, saying some Vader line before she collapses.

Then, the second surprise is that Obi-Wan was a stowaway on PADME's ship, and Anakin has him to contend with. In an abbreviated and slowed down version of the lightsaber fight, Obi-Wan somehow gets Anakin, without us having to show all of the lava-surfing nonsense. And I'm not sure what the end would be...


My question is, does anyone have any idea on how much of this plot line would actually be possible? Also, if anyone has any ideas on specific lines of narration for Anakin, that'd be great.

Thanks so much! Even if it's never made, I think this could be great fun It would be basically a complete character study on Anakin all the way through.

The title could be, "The Story of a Fallen Man", or something similar...

-TM
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#247545
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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Originally posted by: SomethingStarWarsRelated
Trooperman, you mentioned you finished the "yoda scene". Is this the scene with the kids? I thought you had talked about cutting that out.


No, I didn't cut the whole scene. The kids appear in the background in the first shot. The first line of dialogue is Yoda's "The data must have been erased.

Also, these scenes are now back to back; it flowed much better. We have the analysis robot scene, then the library scene, then the Yoda scene, all in a row. Only after the Yoda scene do we cut back to Anakin and Padme aboard the transport.

And I'll see what I can do to show you some of the robot scene in a couple days
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#247451
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Star Wars prequel film noir (* unfinished project *)
Time

This is a completely hypothetical question, as I’m not sure I’m going to do another full movie after “Shroud of the Dark Side” comes out this November, but if I or anyone else were to create a black-and-white prequel movie in a 40’s- 60’s aesthetic, mostly based on “Revenge of the Sith”, but incorporating flashbacks (Anakin and Palpatine’s first conversation about the force, for example)…

what possible ideas would you have to completely change the story and make it good (and actually having continuity with the OT)?

Here are my earlier posts on this:

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That’s why I was considering a completely different approach for Ep. III- a black and white noir film, with Anakin narrating and with flashbacks (a la “Laura”, “Blade Runner”). This cut of the film would use classic Bernard Hermann music and completely excise General Grievous and all that nonsense, focusing entirely on Anakin, his narration, and his spiral downward. I would have incredible freedom in the story as a result of Anakin’s narration.

<div class=“PostQuote”>Watching old b-features and old detective movies like “Laura” really got my brain cranking. I thought… what if Star Wars was originally a noir movie from the '40’s and '50’s, very old-fashioned and in black & white? Later on in the seventies or eighties, they made the very popular Star Wars trilogy, but this is the original film made a long time ago. Imagine that it’s another thing Lucas suppressed!

My idea is to make “Revenge of the Sith” black and white before editing, and make the whole film about Anakin’s fall. None of the Grievous stuff, or most of the opening battle, or other stuff that’s both unneccessary and would give away the CGI as being modern. There would be no crawl, but instead an old-fashioned title sequence, perhaps with stills of close-ups of the characters. The title could be “Anakin Skywalker.”

The major point is that everything is made to give this movie an old feel, older than the '70’s-80’s. Lounge music is used for the temptation scene at the theatre. Classic Bernard Hermann music is used for most of the rest of the score, “Marnie” and “Vertigo” type stuff (but not as well known). I know we can’t use the iconic “Pyscho” music, but I always envisioned the shower music when Anakin walks into the room of children.

Here’s the other big thing: In this version, Anakin is dubbed, and he is narrating the entire story. At certain points in the movie, when you have a close-up of Anakin, the narration can take us back to flashbacks from “Episode II”, from the love story. A very “noir” thing to do.

And lastly, the audio will have more treble, more of a raw feel, and it’ll be stereo or mono. I don’t know if I’ve explained my concept very well or if it’d be enjoyable to watch to any person but me, but I just love the idea of getting into Anakin’s head through him narrating the entire picture and showing flashbacks. The cinematography in Episode III (at least the dialogue scenes) was very good this time around, making this type of thing possible. But here’s the thing: how much better can you illusrate Anakin’s fall than walking around with him the entire movie as we hear his thoughts? Obviously, some GREAT scriptwriting would need to go into Anakin’s narration, but
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Anakin: That’s Palpatine. Supreme Chancellor Palpatine. The most powerful man in the galaxy and one of my dearest friends. Ever since I arrived at the Academy, I had spent long hours talking with him in his office (as we’re fading to a flashback of the Anakin/Palpatine scene from Ep. II).

Anakin: Yes, I never realized how naive I was until I met him…
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Obviously that was just off of the top of my head, but do you see what incredible character depth could go into this “old” movie, a single prequel to the Star Wars trilogy?

“Wow. So make it look like it was shot in the late '40’s-early '50’s?”

Yes, which works nicely because this time, the rotten CGI was mostly confined to Upatu and the wookie planet. Using everything else, especially in black and white, would give this the right feel, especially with Hermann music. I know this wouldn’t be popular with some, but maybe even editing off of the full-screen ROTS DVD might be the right way to go for this project. That was pretty much the aspect ratio back then, after all.

Also, I think this project would really appear to the strict OOT fan, who hates all of the prequels because no matter how much you edit them, all of the Geonosis/Upatu/Wookie planet stuff can’t be removed. If we do a single, old-fashioned prequel with flashbacks and Anakin’s narration, and the script is well written, I can envision lots of people enjoying this movie at the same level as the OOT.

The point is that going into the noir style of filmmaking/editing would let me get away with a lot of stuff that I would love to do for Anakin’s backstory, but simply can’t due to the original framework. The best part is that this project wouldn’t take as long as “Shroud of the Dark Side”, and I’d have some of the dubbing already completed for the “big budget” Starkiller Ranch ROTS.

And this project would involve such incredible creativity in scriptwriting. I mean, we were unhappy with Anakin’s portrayal throughout the PT; Shroud of the Dark Side is going a long way to fix that, but a black & white noir film with narration (kind of like “Blade Runner”) is also a great excuse to completely rewrite Skywalker’s corruption and his rationale for what he did.

This is all stuff I would be afraid to do in the “official” color edit, of course.</div>

The best part is that you could perhaps finally preserve the secret of Darth Vader and Luke in TESB, by removing any reference to “Skywalker” that might exist in ROTS after the other footage had been edited out. You could also make Palpatine’s line, “It wasn’t the first time, Anakin. Remember what you told me about your mother?” CUT. You can really use your imagination here without having to adhere to the backstory provided by Ep. I and II. Also, to preserve the surprise, we don’t see Padme give birth to the twins. In fact, Anakin can kill her on the spot, on the lava planet, through a couple extended shots.</div>

Brainstorming time! How much of a departure could we have from the original plot, but still using the original footage (and any other noir footage that could possible fit in, like a guy playing piano in the background in a bar scene, for example, or have Anakin and Palpatine watching some kind of play or dance, rather than that CG bubble show, or whatever it was).

How far could this be taken?

-TM

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Thanks for the screencap, SSWR. Actually, user "Calisto" very kindly hooked me up with the "Alien" fox logo, so I have it in motion now. I thought it was great, but later on, I compared it to the Star Wars logo and discovered it actually isn't the same. It looks brighter, the perspective isn't the same, and it's missing the clouds. I'll have to think about which one to use, but the great thing is that I have the choice now. Thank you, Calisto!

Guess what I'm working on right now?


Just kidding- I'll give you more specifics this time. Out of twenty sections, I have completed the sound mix for 1, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 13, and currently working on 14. Of course there are little glitches and continuity errors sprinkled throughout, but these sections are pretty much completed and polished. This includes the nightclub, the chase through Coruscant, the opening titles/explosion/conference, all of Tim's Lama-Su work, the Jedi analysis scene, library scene, yoda scene, the "en route" scene, the Padme/Anakin balcony and rejection scene, the Fett/Obi-Wan talk, the formerly deleted dinner scene, the picnic scene, the introduction of Nute Gunray, and Shmi's death/Anakin's temper tantrum. That's not to say the whole movie isn't more or less laid out already, because it is, but the aforementioned sections sport a completed sound mix.

To complete parts 2, 5, and 16, Jar-Jar is needed. To complete parts 18 and 19, I need all of the stormtrooper recordings. Can't do part 12 without an actor for Uncle Owen (which Sluggo may have located for me, I'm not sure). And finally, Mas Ammedda is needed for part 15.

This isn't to push anybody; I'm just letting you all know where we're at right now. It's certainly not hindering progress now, but a couple weeks from now, I will have to focus my attention on those particular sections.

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I'm realizing that I'm going to have to rerecord some lines because they were recorded too close to the mike and it sounds like a voiceover, no matter how much tweaking is done. This is OK because it's very simple to plug in new lines or alternate lines. There are many other lines that didn't sound natural at first, but I experimented filters and finally found one that made the recordings match the on-set dialogue of the others. There wasn't very much on-set dialogue retained for AOTC, but you can tell when it has been, and the new recordings are loud and clear, sticking out like a sore thumb. I had to make some of them thinner and add more treble to get them to match.

RELEASE: I'm thinking that when this is done (November is the target), I will do a bare-bones release on single layer disc. That way, the movie will be out there, and I'll have a little more time to work on a full-featured dual-layer release, with multi-language subtitles, commentary, menus, PCM sound, and so forth. Also, doing a new encode for a dual-layer release will enable me to correct any widespread technical concerns that anyone has (that are easy to fix). I could also dream that an FX guy, seeing this movie, will offer to redo the Jedi Analysis Robot scene to match the OT....

-TM
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Anyone have any suggestions on alternate Portman dialogue? I'm not really a fan, and haven't seen any of her other movies. Is she any better?

Just wanted to thank all the folks working behind the scenes here. Thanks to all of your help, this movie's coming together quicker and quicker. If all goes to plan, I expect to have the first feature-length test cut by mid-October. And the film completed in November.

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Little problem, though- when doing some tests, I just discovered that I don't have the capability to convert PCM audio into Dolby Digital 2.0. Is there any freeware that could enable me to do this? I've checked and haven't found any yet. PM's are welcome

Thanks so much,

-TM

P.S. I guess I'm going to pick up one of those OOT DVD's this weekend and see if the Fox logo is good enough to use. The best quality would still come off of the "Alien" DVD, though...