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#1237424
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Preserving the...<em>cringe</em>...Star Wars Holiday Special (Released)
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#1237331
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Alright, I think I’ve had my fun. I was mostly posting in a harsh manner to get a rise out of Dom. =P

In all honesty, I’m still pretty positive about TLJ. It has a lot of faults but the handling of Rey and Ben’s characters was pretty superb.

I also really enjoyed the examination of the failure of the Jedi Order through Luke but I still fundamentally disagree with the idea that 1., Luke would ever ignite his saber(pull a gun) on his nephew in his sleep like that or 2., that he’d completely give up and just wander off to die.

That’s completely anathema to his character. Luke Skywalker is the eternal optimist, he’s the one that believes you can redeem anyone. Even an evil Sith Lord responsible for the deaths of countless sentient beings. To give up on and contemplate KILLING his nephew because he’s starting to have bad thoughts? No.

That aside, I think there’s still enough buried in there for a decent film. Trimmed of most of its excess, I’m quite partial to Hal’s fan edit of the film.

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#1237328
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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DominicCobb said:

As for “subverting expectations,” I think people read to much into that to mean Johnson was trying to annoy fans at every turn or something.

I wonder where they got that idea?

DominicCobb said:

Tyrphanax said:

Not pointing Luke specifically, just the story. I guess you could argue that the final scene in TFA has the weight of the Luke we know from the OT, but you could argue just as easily that it leads just as well into TLJ’s version of Luke so it’s a wash, really.

Luke we already know as an established character by the end of ROTJ. The Luke we see in TLJ just plainly isn’t the same character. You can classify it as “growth” or “character development” or whatever, but it’s not really an expansion of the Luke character we’ve seen before as it is a complete alteration of the core character. It was like a “what if” version of Luke where maybe he failed to defeat the Emperor and redeem his father and fell into despair or something. The whole movie kinda felt like a “what if” thing.

I completely disagree of course. Luke has always been my favorite character and I’m glad they gave him a compelling story rather than just “perfect old Jedi who exiled himself to learn the bestest powers.”

And Mark Hamill completely disagrees with you. Funny how that works.

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#1237066
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Continuing discussion from this thread.

DominicCobb said:

As to [Hux’s] seriousness, I’d say it’s about the same in both. He’s not making jokes in TLJ, he’s the butt of them.

Every moment he has in the film is undercut with him being made a joke. The only actual serious moment he has is when he almost shoots Ren and that was an improvised moment from Gleeson.

Snoke has a far bigger role with much greater relevance to the plot at hand in TLJ than TFA. Just because you expected him to survive TLJ because of his role in the lore pre-TFA doesn’t mean his death undermines TFA. In any way.

I don’t care at all that he died in TLJ. It was a good moment of character growth for Ben. What is inexcusable is that Snoke was not expounded upon AT ALL before his death.

Are we talking about the same character who crawls across a crowded table to stare at Finn in TFA?

Come on. You very well know there’s a galaxy of difference between crawling across a table and literally flying around like a video game character taking out hordes of off-screen enemies.

TFA was the film that sent [Luke] into hiding in the first goddamn place. I’m honestly baffled that anyone expected anything else of his character other than reluctance.

The very nature of his originally intended introduction says otherwise. Here are just a few alternative explanations for why he disappeared:

  • As explained in TFA he went off looking for the first Jedi temple. Why? Perhaps in hopes of learning how to defeat Snoke. Why? What if Snoke was an ancient evil of some kind that Luke was unprepared to deal with.
  • After finding the temple he crashes and is stranded. Perhaps the nature of the planet is such that it blocks anyone from reaching out or being reached out to in the Force. Which is why the temple was built there in the first place.
  • Perhaps there were other survivors from his original academy that he secreted away to continue teaching. Hiding so that they can continue in peace without fear of Kylo returning to finish what he started.
  • Perhaps Luke knew he wasn’t meant to be the one to stop Snoke and so he shuts himself off and devotes himself to preparing to train the one who is. Waiting for the Force to bring them to him.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. TLJ didn’t contradict TFA at all.

TFA ends with a clear setup for the sequel that TLJ completely ignores. “Leave the base at once and come to me with Kylo Ren. It is time to complete his training.”

The start of TLJ should have been the mirroring of Rey and Ben through their simultaneous training. You can even keep the “Forcetime” plot device so that they can communicate with each other throughout this time.

The Kylo training segments would also be an opportunity to expound on Snoke.

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#1237046
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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You guys are joking or purposefully selectively forgetting a lot if you’re seriously positing that TLJ wasn’t a big middle finger to Abrams’ TFA.

  • Hux a serious officer and rival to Ren is immediately turned into a punchline in TLJ
  • Snoke the character that set off the entire events of the ST, seduced Ben to the Darkside, raised an army to overthrow the galaxy and built a superweapon that wiped out the Republic is dispatched as soon as possible without any ceremony after being used as a convenient plot device in TLJ
  • Maz Kanata a wise Yoda like figure is turned into a cartoonish video game character
  • Luke Skywalker whose original reveal at the end of TFA was to have him meditating in the air surrounded by flying boulders was then turned into cranky old man hiding from the galaxy. The rest of the Luke issues in TLJ are related to his OT persona and not relevant to this discussion but are probably the most egregious transgressions of the film.
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#1237007
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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‘Star Wars: Episode IX’ Casts Matt Smith in Key Role

From the Whoniverse, to Buckingham Palace, to a galaxy far, far away.

Sources tell Variety that “The Crown” star Matt Smith is joining “Star Wars: Episode IX,” which is currently in production in the U.K. It’s unknown at this time whether the “Doctor Who” alum will be on the side of the rebels or the evil empire.

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