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#708588
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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SilverWook said:

A lot can change in thirty years, including Luke's mindset. If one is going to isolate themselves and commune with the Force, it's a slightly better place than Dagobah, and there's civilization around if one craves company.

 Not something like that. I grew up in the desert and if circumstances arose where I could leave I would not miss it.

If this is about making him a hermit than let's see someplace new. There's an entire galaxy out there and we just keep ending up on the same wretched ball of dust.

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#708568
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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His entire life Luke wanted to escape that planet. And after seeing the people who raised him brutally murdered there, he swore he'd never return. Only to be forced to in order to save Han.

So deciding to retire there doesn't make a lot of sense for him. So if that's the reason we go back there it's incredibly weak and a sign of lazy writing.

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#708285
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Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Discussion * <strong>SPOILER THREAD</strong> *
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I'm seriously concerned now.

It all makes sense too. George was looking to retire and decided to sell to Disney to ensure his company's future. He got Kathleen Kennedy to agree to take over for him but still felt he needed something to sweeten the deal:

George Lucas said:

“I was pulling away, and I said, ‘Well, I’ve got to build this company up so it functions without me, and we need to do something to make it attractive.’ So I said, ‘Well, let’s just do these movies.’ ”

So he begins talks with Iger, promising a whole new trilogy and more. Tells him he has an outline already for this new trilogy and that it's going to be great. But there's a problem:

At first Lucas wouldn’t even turn over his rough sketches of the next three Star Wars films. When Disney executives asked to see them, he assured them they would be great and said they should just trust him. “Ultimately you have to say, ‘Look, I know what I’m doing. Buying my stories is part of what the deal is.’ I’ve worked at this for 40 years, and I’ve been pretty successful,” Lucas says. “I mean, I could have said, ‘Fine, well, I’ll just sell the company to somebody else.’ ”

He's stalling. Why? Probably because he didn't actually have anything. So he grows desperate from the pressure and starts looking at what others have done in his sandbox. He probably didn't want to do the Sith again as the "Chosen One" had brought balance to the Force. That's when he came across the Yuuzhan Vong, notorious non-Force users.

But George doesn't like the EU, you say. Remember when the announcement was first made how George kept harping on the fact that:

George Lucas said:

"We have hundreds of books and comics and everything you can possibly imagine. So you know, I sort of moved that treasure trove of stories and various things to Kathy and I have complete confidence that she's going to take them and make great movies."

George is all for borrowing from the Expanded Universe to create new movies.

So could this new trilogy be in fact a very loose adaptation of the New Jedi Order series, or at least inspired by it? I'm afraid it just might be.

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#708014
Topic
Star Wars Storyboards - by JW Rinzler
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Awesome, I'm way behind in my Star Wars reading. Still need to get all of Rinzler's Making Of books as well as this.

DuracellEnergizer said:

I'm glad this was dropped. Disembodied hands moving of their own volition have no place outside of an Evil Dead film. ;-) 

 Thanks, this inspired me to do some searching and now I believe Michael Caine would have made a far better Anakin. =P

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#707828
Topic
What do you HATE about the EU?
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I hate that the EU turned the "Academy" mentioned in Star Wars into an Imperial Academy. The dialog doesn't support that idea at all.

Here's a slightly truncated portion of the cut Biggs scene as it appeared in the script. I've highlighted the relevant parts:

LUKE: Look who's talking. Now that you've been around those giant starships you're beginning to sound like my uncle. You've gotten soft in the city...

BIGGS: I've missed you kid.

LUKE: Well, things haven't been the same since you left, Biggs. It's been so... quiet.

Biggs looks around then leans close to Luke.

BIGGS: Luke, I didn't come back just to say good-bye... I shouldn't tell you this, but you're the only one I can trust... and if I don't come back, I want somebody to know.

Luke's eyes are wide with Biggs' seriousness and loyalty.

LUKE: What are you talking about?

BIGGS: I made some friends at the Academy. (he whispers) ...when our frigate goes to one of the central systems, we're going to jump ship and join the Alliance...

Luke, amazed and stunned, is almost speechless.

LUKE: Join the Rebellion?! Are you kidding! How?

BIGGS: Quiet down will ya! You got a mouth bigger than a meteor crater!

LUKE: I'm sorry. I'm quiet. (he whispers) Listen how quiet I am. You can barely hear me...

Biggs shakes his head angrily and then continues.

BIGGS: My friend has a friend on Bestine who might help us make contact.

LUKE: You're crazy! You could wander around forever trying to find them.

BIGGS: I know it's a long shot, but if I don't find them I'll do what I can on my own... It's what we always talked about. Luke, I'm not going to wait for the Empire to draft me into service. The Rebellion is spreading and I want to be on the right side -- the side I believe in.

...................................................................................................................

LUKE: I wish I was going... Are you going to be around long?

BIGGS: No, I'm leaving in the morning...

LUKE: Then I guess I won't see you.

BIGGS: Maybe someday... I'll keep a lookout.

LUKE: Well, I'll be at the Academy next season... after that who knows. I won't be drafted into the Imperial Starfleet that's for sure... Take care of yourself, you'll always be the best friend I've got.

So from this scene we learn that Biggs has been away in the big city (Mos Eisley?) at the Academy. An earlier portion I left out is that he received his commission and is the first mate aboard a ship. He fears being drafted into the Empire so he plans to jump ship and head to the planet Bestine where he hopes to find a Rebel contact. Now, if this was an Imperial Academy why would he be afraid of being drafted into the Empire if he'd already joined it?

So what did the EU take away from all of this? That Biggs left Tatooine to join the Imperial Academy on Prefsbelt IV. And that Bestine is a small town on Tatooine. *face palm*

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#707822
Topic
The Standalone Star Wars Films
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A somewhat similar idea was used in issue #86 of Marvel Star Wars, The Alderaan Factor. After her shuttle is shot down while on a diplomatic mission, Leia is stranded with a Stormtrooper from her home planet. They argue about who's to blame for Alderaan and then have to survive together until help arrives. It's a really good story, I'd recommend checking it out.

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#707764
Topic
Video Games - a general discussion thread
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The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014)

Complete and utter disappointment. There's a lot of potential hidden under the surface but it was never given the time it needed to mature. There are clear signs of rushed development throughout.

The last game setup these unseen villains that were supposed to pay off in the sequel. In the sequel they've become gang leaders but are never seen only referenced in passing.

There are hints at what was originally supposed to be a bigger and better story that ended up being completely cut out.

The original story as near as I can make out is that New York has been plagued with sudden rise in the number of gangs and violence is on the rise. Wilson Fisk arrives on the scene and along with Oscorp declares they're going to clean up the streets.

The leaders of these gangs are a step way above what Spider-man has ever faced up to now. Having to deal with people like Mister Negative. To add on top of that, there's a serial killer on the loose targeting other murderers calling himself the Carnage Killer.

That's when Sergei Kravinoff appears and offers to teach Spider-man everything he knows. Spidey accepts and with the Hunter's help they start taking down all of the gangs. While doing so the name Kingpin keeps coming up. After doing some investigation Peter discovers the Kingpin is none other than Fisk, who is funding the task force to clear out his competition.

Soon after Spider-man discovers that Kravinoff is actually working for the Kingpin and has been studying how to defeat Spider-man this whole time. They fight, Spidey wins and then goes after the Kingpin. He defeats the Kingpin but Spider-man ultimately loses as Fisk uses the attack to frame Spider-man. We also learn that the Kingpin has been working with the Chameleon to takeover Oscorp.

So that's all what was going to be in the game as near as I can figure. Here's what was actually in the game:

A haphazard retelling of the movie story with the Green Goblin and Electro, while completely leaving out Gwen Stacey. She's not seen or referenced once through out the game. Most of the game is Spidey fighting generic Russian gangsters and then Carnage suddenly shows up, The End.

Kentucky Route Zero (2013)

Pure magic. The third of five Acts was released a week ago. It's a completely absorbing game that pulls you right inside. It's hard to think of words to describe it. It's the perfect game to play late at night when your house is quiet.