Tiptup

Originally posted by: The Bizzle
Although again, this has jack stamp to do with this subject and should probably go in Off-Topic.

Originally posted by: CO
I ask anyone, is it worth it to boycott this release now, and then 20 years from now, the O-OT is not even talked about by newer fans. The SE will be the OT, plain & simple. I say we buy this, cause we have an obligation to future fans that they will atleast have a choice.

Originally posted by: The BizzleI don't buy that. DVD purchases aren't investments. They're product. I pay for something because I want the product inside. I don't buy something in the hopes that a couple years down the road I'll finally get a chance to PAY again for what I wanted in the first place. SCARING me into a DVD purchase doesn't work, because DVD's aren't important enough (for as much as a film enthusiast as I am) to SCARE me into parting with my money. I wrote something similar at the HTF, but here's the general idea, as I see it:

In this instance, the movie I'm buying comes with a movie I already own and has been offered one more time after I already bought it, and the quality of the movie I REALLY want is sub-standard. Besides which, I already essentially OWN a copy in that sub-standard quality because the release is 13 years old.

If the only reward, for me, is that maybe in the future I'll get a return on my 20-30 dollar investment, essentially getting what I paid for a year or two down the road, then that's not much of a reward. That'd be like buying a movie ticket and then being told that MAYBE that movie will play 2 years later, so check back then.

Assuming how this is going to work is dangerous, because no one really assumed we'd get this. Ever. Maybe some of you did, but that's not really the point. There's also no guarantee that everyone buying this is going to mean they'll release it again. You could just as easily dream up a scenario where Lucas says "Well, look how many people bought that. See. Now they've got it. We dont' have to sweat it anymore. it sold like hotcakes so most of the people who could have ever wanted it now have it. They're happy. moving on."

It's just as easy to paint the picture that everyone buying it could ALSO mean it'll never get released again. It's just as speculative and specious.

The only thing you should be basing your purchase on is whether the product they're offering you is worth it FOR YOU. Don't buy it thinking it's an investment into later purchases you might make. That's essentially consumer blackmail. Eventually it's just going to leave a bitter taste in your mouth.

That's exactly right. The only reason I might buy this set is because all I own right now are VHS copies and I'd get a slight imporvement with a Laserdisc rip onto DVD. I've given up on Lucas. He shouldn't need any kind of stupid confirmation. A completely shit-brained idiot could see that the original trilogy would make a lot of money on DVD because of its fan base. I guess we all know what that makes Lucas.


Originally posted by: The Bizzle

and not to derail the thread into something political, but take a look at who owns what media outlets and then look at what their political affiliations are. Then look at the ownership of most major corporations and note THEIR political affiliations. It's pretty easy to see which way the powers that be typically lean.

but that's neither here nor there, really. Should probably be finished up in the Off-Topic forum.

Originally posted by: THX
I happen to think that making people not buy these could actually be harmful to the future of the OUT. Luckily I also happen to think you have no chance of impacting sales significantly.

Originally posted by: nohandluke
MOST IMPORTANTLY - Preservation projects like XO should be supported even more now than ever.

Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
This has now gone way beyond just giving the fans the old "fist up the ass." We are now talking about the criminal neglect of one of the most influencial and historically important films in cinema history. To hell with Lucas's "vision." To hell with profit margins and sales quota. To firey hell with it all.

This is about preservation of HISTORY, and Lucas is trying to bury it in light of his rewritten version. Our culture's most provocational film is in jeopardy and if we quiet our voices, these movies will die.

Exactly. I'm wondering if legal action is the best course to take at this point. Have non-Lucasfilm-funded preservation projects begun or something. George Lucas is now totally insane. It may be horrible to say this, but the day he finally dies may be the day Star Wars in its original form will be saved. Makes me sick to think about.


Originally posted by: MeBeJedi

Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Think of Yoda from The Empire Strikes Back. Think of the Emperor from Return of the Jedi. I know I'm not the only person who thinks that fighting with lightsabers is just beneath them, plain and simple. Yoda is the mentor. He lifts X-Wings from the swamp and gives philsophical discussions on the Force. He prepares Luke for his battles. Palpatine is the instigator. He watches with glee from the comfort of his chair as his lackeys go at each other with colored blades. When he needs to exert his authority, he stands up and fries people with lightning bolts without so much as breaking a sweat. And when both of them are done, they simply pick up their canes and hobble away. Giving them lightsabers in the prequels weakened them so much by forcing them to fight on the same level as the main characters. It was just done as a pathetic attempt to make the prequels "more intense!!!"

EDIT: And then Revenge of the Sith added salt to the wound by having them fight each other! At least at one point, for a very short time, they did put away their lightsabers and start attacking each other with the manipulation of objects. That is how they should fight. With object manipulation, Force lightning, strangulation, and any other Force power that Lucas could have created. Instead, the only Force powers they seemed to gain were the ability to jump thousands of feet in the air and move really, really fast. Or, should I say, be able to leap tall buildings in a single bound and run faster than a speeding bullet?

Originally posted by: ricarleite
GL: Shut up! Now... SINCE you guys want it like it was released in 1970s... And since my home TV back then was a 15 inches monoraul faded NTSC low res TV set with a manual selector and a penguin on top, I am releasing the DVDs on letterbox, non anamorphic.

Meanwhile, I recommend everybody put their 2004 set up for sale on Amazon or eBay to flood the market and make the value of the discs plummet. Re-buy the new set in Sept., mail the 2004 discs back to Lucasfilm, with a note saying "Even the shitty non-anamorphic transfer of the O-OT means more to me than your Special Editions."

You might say quite a few, considering how many fans were angered by the digitized, expanded updates of episodes IV, V and VI. Lucas claims he's not re-releasing the originals to appease fans, but rather to bate them. "Now we'll find out whether they really wanted the original or whether they wanted the improved versions," he said. "It'll all come out in the end."

Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Originally posted by: Tiptup
Um, we're talking about Back to the Future, Tiptup, not Star Wars. All of Star Wars was filmed in a 2.33:1 ratio, so the fullscreen version is definitely cropped, and you're missing out on a large portion of the picture in that case.

Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I've heard interviews with him on the DVD (which you should have) that state that he didn't consider the movies to be suited for widescreen, and that he shot them in 1.33:1 because more people would end up seeing the movie on video anyway. Last time I brought this up here, someone proposed that he could have been referring to 2.33:1 as wide rather than 1.88:1 (which is the ratio the widescreen version of it is in), which could be a possibility. I personally prefer the widescreen versions, and I own them that way on DVD, but in this case there is nothing wrong with the fullscreen, and in terms of your versions, less wrong with the fullscreen.

But it gets even more complicated than that, I just remembered! The special effects shots were filmed in a 1.88:1 ratio, so you're actually seeing the full image of special effects shots in the widescreen version while the fullscreen version crops them! So basically, in either version, you're losing some parts of the picture... which sucks.