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Post: #270443
Topic: Seeing the Saga in order - a review by a first-time viewer....
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/270443/action/topic#270443
Time: 8-Feb-2007 12:20 AM

Originally posted by: CO
If you are going to introduce the saga, I believe the best way is:

Episode IV
Episode V
Episode VI - stop the movie right after Luke/Obiwan talk on Dagobah about his father.
Episode I
Episode II
Episode III
Episode VI - continue the movie with Luke entering the rebel base to talk about destroying DSII

The reason I would stop right after the ObiWan/Luke talk in ROTJ, is the saga isn't about Vader yet, nor Palpatine, nor the jedi when you watch the OT first. The OT is about Luke, Leia, and Han and eases into the new plot point in ROTJ of Emperor/Vader/Luke battle.

By showing the viewer up to Luke/ObiWan in ROTJ, you keep them in the context of caring about the good guys, and I believe by showing ROTJ in 1-6 order, they won't give a hoot about saving Han in ROTJ, cause they will be so predisposed to the PT storyline that is mostly about Jedi vs Sith, and I will go even farther with 1-6, they probably won't give a shit about Han/Leia romance in ESB either!

By showing the PT after the Obiwan/Luke talk in ROTJ, it is almost like Obiwan is narrating the PT to Luke, as he appears in the first shot in TPM and the last shot in ROTS. Then the remainder of ROTJ keeps in context with the PT story of Jedi vs Sith, or Luke/Vader/Emperor while the overall macro storyline of the rebels vs empire comes to a close as DSII, Vader, and Emperor are all dead at the end of the movie. The End.

That's a nice approach. If I were able to endorse a serious watching of the PT, I would go with that.

Post: #270441
Topic: Did Anakin's fall start with Qui-Gon?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/270441/action/topic#270441
Time: 8-Feb-2007 12:15 AM

I too liked how Obiwan was the good guy of the prequel trilogy. (Unfortunately George didn't make him the main character as he should have.) Though I agree with Gaffer that he should have made more mistakes.

Originally posted by: CO
The reason it comes off so jarring is Lucas changed the context of the movie after shooting the original turn scene. If you listen to the ROTS commentary by Lucas, he is suprisingly candid about how he reconfigured the movie after the original shoot, and how his original vision got changed.

Yeah, I remember when Zombie first described the change. It helps everything make more sense in terms of how the movie was made. It just really leaves much to be desired. I preferred the new approach actually; it gave Anakin a personal reason for turning (one where he became likable for the first time), it simply just wasn’t good enough to explain what he then went on to do (at least not in a way where he remains likable at all).

In actuality though, the real fault in this situation was George’s sloppy thinking. He changed his mind while making the prequel trilogy and decided that someone as evil as Darth Vader should never be able to repent and be redeemed. So he invented some bullshit about the good Anakin Skywalker being killed by the evil Darth Vader (in his head or something) and then being resurrected by his two children in Return of the Jedi (somehow). He actually thought that was a brilliant idea I’m guessing.

Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
I always thought "turning for Padme" was the last straw so to speak. He was going to go to the dark side regarless. He always was seeking greater power. He was always angry, jealous, and wanted control. There are hints of this all through the PT. Also, I think Palpatine was great at influencing people, messing with their heads. Be it from the force or not.

Yeah that’s certainly reasonable. You simply need to then conclude that he was a psychopath though.

Post: #270437
Topic: New Ralph McQuarrie Book
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/270437/action/topic#270437
Time: 8-Feb-2007 12:03 AM

Ralph McQuarrie is awesome, but I'm not sure if I'll be getting this book anytime soon though.

Post: #270319
Topic: Most Epic Pictures
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/270319/action/topic#270319
Time: 7-Feb-2007 2:35 PM

Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Sorry if that's what I was doing, but that's simply how I inferred your previous post. I've always gotten along with you in the past, so don't think I'm trying to pick a fight with you. I just called it as I saw it, and that's how I saw it. Didn't even realize I was putting words in your mouth.

Well, that just happens to be one of my pet peeves. I try to never assume negative things about people unless I see an absolutely clear reason.

I love animals a lot and happen to think that baby seals are very cute. (That's what made the wrongness of the earlier picture, combined with the pun, funny by the way.) In no way do I think that needlessly clubbing a small animal is good in and of itself. However, at the same time I realize that it is just an animal, one that would go around eating other animals no doubt, and its life is not on the same level of a man who would hunt it for a living. Certainly it is not at the same level of the man's wife and children to the degree where they should be raped and murdered horribly in front of him. At first I thought that was an attempt at humor on the part of LS, but upon a second analysis I found that she was pretty clear with what she said, so I expressed shock and asked if she meant to say something so extreme. Now I know that she's even more extreme than I thought. I'm not here to attack anyone. I simply wish to express my thoughts and have discussions.

Now this thread is officially boring.

Post: #270305
Topic: Did Anakin's fall start with Qui-Gon?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/270305/action/topic#270305
Time: 7-Feb-2007 1:45 PM

Well, it had to do with the final turn. One minute he was happy, nice, and loving, the next minute he was murdering innocent children over an inconsequential dream sequence. Therefore, if a person's fall to the dark side of the force must involve their power to choose their own fate, as the OT implied (and even the PT implied at many points), Anakin must have been psychotic to have made the final choices that he made. If the dark side of the force doesn't involve choices on the other hand, then it operates in contradictory and arbitrary manner. If anyone can be great one minute and pure evil the next simply because the force can illogically force someone to be so, then there is little or no human drama left in the Star Wars universe.

Post: #270249
Topic: Most Epic Pictures
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/270249/action/topic#270249
Time: 7-Feb-2007 5:28 AM

Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
So you have no problem with clubbing a helpless baby seal? Interesting priorities your way, too, it seems.

Did I say that anywhere? No. But, putting words into people’s mouths is another interesting form of behavior, so thank you for exhibiting it.

Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
did i stutter?

I don’t think so. Did I say that you had stuttered?

Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
my priorities are interesting aren't they?
i don't see how someone who kills animals as a career has a life anymore worth while than an animal themselves.

Wow, interesting ethic. Now you are becoming even more interesting to me.

So, in your approach to the world, would a person who slaughters poultry for human consumption be as equally evil as a Nazi who had supported and committed genocide in WW2? I’m very curious.

Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
but of course you didnt try and explain yourself did you?
i guess you figured it would have made you seem more cool to post a statement like you did and run off like a coward.

Hmm, well, just what you would like have explained about me? I’m willing to assist.

I’d think it would be obvious that a man, trying to make a living, and probably trying support a family, is of more value than a baby seal. Call me crazy, but I didn’t know I actually needed to say that. Do you feel better now that I have made this opinion of mine clear?

And as for running off as a "coward," perhaps I am one, but I am unaware of how my earlier post in this thread speaks to that. Perhaps you can explain that to me? You know, being the brave, wonderful individual that you are, I’m sure you’ll calmly explain to me all of your clearly rational thoughts.

As for trying to sound “cool,” I’m not sure what you mean by that. If you refer to the brief nature of my post, I did not want to detract from the lighthearted feeling of this thread by initiating a boring discussion within it. I simply thought that expressing my shock over your lack of ethical sense would have been sufficient. Though, I suppose when looking back, I should have anticipated your response.

Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker

but i suppose your right, my priorities are a bit out of whack.

Oh, well, glad that you agree with me then.

Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker

this man SHOULD die after witnessing his entire family and friends come to their demise.
but it should be something slow and painful.
like getting their skull busted open by a fuckin seal club.

thanks for bringing that up my friend.

Thanks for using proper grammar.

Post: #270247
Topic: Did Anakin's fall start with Qui-Gon?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/270247/action/topic#270247
Time: 7-Feb-2007 5:04 AM

Originally posted by: zombie84
Qui-Gon is perhaps the most good-natured and noble Jedi in the entire overall series. He upholds the Jedi credo but he doesn't get bogged down by the dogma; he bends the rules when his conscience tells him that they obstruct a greater good, such as conning a child-slaving gambler.

Exactly. He's not as cool as Ben, but he definitely manifests the image of a noble knight better than all the rest.

Post: #270200
Topic: Most Epic Pictures
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/270200/action/topic#270200
Time: 6-Feb-2007 9:37 PM

Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker

Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
Who here thinks the above picture is funny?

that picture is so funny that i hope his parents get cancer, his wife raped and his children die of some painful flesh eating disease.
and i hope he gets to watch them all die in front of his very eyes.

Over a baby seal? You have very interesting priorities.

Post: #270199
Topic: Did Anakin's fall start with Qui-Gon?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/270199/action/topic#270199
Time: 6-Feb-2007 9:30 PM

There's nothing evil about using Jedi powers for good by cheating someone who's gambling with the lives of enslaved people. I don't like the notion that Jedi have to be boring wimps who are never allowed to take chances or do anything dubious. Anakin's fall to the dark side made no sense anyways, so don't bother with the little things.

Post: #269989
Topic: Mandatory Tipping Poll
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/269989/action/topic#269989
Time: 6-Feb-2007 5:07 AM

Originally posted by: Gaffer TapeI hate how establishments make people "pool" tips together and then divide them evenly. Screw that. Tips are based on service and somewhat on luck, and if you happen to be the lucky waiter/waitress who gets a $50 tip, then you should be entitled to be able to do with it what you wish.

Some places actually do that? I'm going to have to start asking about that before I give out my cash. I'm not going to pay a nice tip if it goes to everybody.

Post: #269631
Topic: A Question About Projection Screen TV's.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/269631/action/topic#269631
Time: 4-Feb-2007 5:00 AM

I think your friend is being stupid Nanner. I can't imagine what an ordinary video signal from a PS2 could possibly do to screw up a projection tv in any way that a newer system would avoid.

Post: #269630
Topic: The Super Bowl
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/269630/action/topic#269630
Time: 4-Feb-2007 4:53 AM

I want the team with the "black" coach to win the Super Bowl. It's time for black people to finally attain equality in our traditionally racist society. This would do it.

Post: #269629
Topic: "Archiving seminar reveals 'Star Wars' tidbit?" Another SE?!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/269629/action/topic#269629
Time: 4-Feb-2007 4:47 AM

Heh, George Lucas has made Star Wars into quite the bussiness.

Originally posted by: Mike O

Originally posted by: Tiptup
Really, by this point, more changes can only be a good thing. If George can change the SE version of the movies enough, then more and more people will simply stop recognizing them as the real thing. Or, at the very least, more people will begin demanding access to the theatrical versions in higher quality.

How do you figure?

Well, if you need me to state it more clearly: As far as I can see, too many people seem to believe that they are watching the real Star Wars when they watch the SEs. If George makes more changes, he can only alienate more of the people in that crowd as they realize that they aren't watching what they became originally attached to. Therefore, they'd be more likely to demand what they remember.

Post: #269549
Topic: Recreational drug use
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/269549/action/topic#269549
Time: 3-Feb-2007 2:26 PM

Originally posted by: Rikter
This is personal choice that has nothing to do with laws, gods or anyone else.

Nothing, eh?

Post: #269524
Topic: Recreational drug use
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/269524/action/topic#269524
Time: 3-Feb-2007 5:23 AM

Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
I'm in that freaky minority who doesn't do drugs and has no desire to start, but nonetheless wants them legalized. Remove the criminal element from it and half of our society's problems would go away. Sure there would still be addicts, but I hypothesize they'd be fewer, because there would be less of a desire for anti-social types to engage in the "bad" behavior to begin with. If an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, dump more resources into education. If the common person had the level of education about some of these substances that I have, more people would eschew them as I do.

I'm of that minority viewpoint as well. I don’t believe that any of us should waste our lives away with mind-altering substances (life is too amazing for us to ignore it like that), but if a particular person does no harm to other people, and abuses his body on private property, and doesn’t expect me to fork over money to clean up their pathetic lives, then I say that they can do as they like.

Post: #269422
Topic: "Archiving seminar reveals 'Star Wars' tidbit?" Another SE?!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/269422/action/topic#269422
Time: 2-Feb-2007 2:53 PM

Originally posted by: zombie84
Well, i guess the footage was indeed damaged then, but seeing as it was reshot, however, yet still omitted, its ultimate deletion from the film boils down to a pacing issue.

Everything that George lucas has done to the end of Empire Strikes Back proves that he has no understanding of pacing.

Post: #269244
Topic: Classic F4 from 1994 online..
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/269244/action/topic#269244
Time: 1-Feb-2007 3:28 PM

I watched the first two parts. It's totally laughable. I'm going to try watching the rest of the parts eventually.

Post: #269242
Topic: "Archiving seminar reveals 'Star Wars' tidbit?" Another SE?!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/269242/action/topic#269242
Time: 1-Feb-2007 3:23 PM

Really, by this point, more changes can only be a good thing. If George can change the SE version of the movies enough, then more and more people will simply stop recognizing them as the real thing. Or, at the very least, more people will begin demanding access to the theatrical versions in higher quality.

Post: #269076
Topic: Windows Vista
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/269076/action/topic#269076
Time: 31-Jan-2007 8:29 PM

Originally posted by: ricarleite
Bill Gates is usually wrong about future tendencies and market decisions - anyone remember how he ridiculously thought the Internet would fade away and people would use the infamous Microsoft Network? The only reason Bill Gates is where he is, is thanks to IBM's picking Microsoft up at the right moment - out of luck - and stupid media frenzy about the man.

Let's not forget a government-enforced patent on a programming language (which should be a very weak patent at best in my opinion). (Not that I have anything against patents, but I think they're far too prolific and powerful right now. In general, everyone is in danger of being sued by everyone else these days and competitive freedom is certainly dwindling as a result.)

Otherwise, Bill Gates is a smart guy and I don't criticize him for his success, but I'd rather not use their products if I were given the choice. Their one-size-fits-all approach and their arrogance in thinking they KNOW what everybody wants really turns me off.

Post: #268939
Topic: Windows Vista
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/268939/action/topic#268939
Time: 31-Jan-2007 12:51 PM

Heh, Microsoft is such an uninspiring company. I can't wait to see them copy the Wii after Bill Gates talked down about its potential success as if he were a freaking gaming expert.

Post: #268888
Topic: Prequel Character Names
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/268888/action/topic#268888
Time: 31-Jan-2007 5:14 AM

Originally posted by: JediRandy
No, I'm claiming that the names aren't that different at all and it's your dislike of the PT that gives the names a bad connotation.

Then I would tend to agree with your assessment, but you should have said that first if you ask me. (Though there's no excuse for a character named "Grievous." Also, most of the worst OT names were not uttered on-screen.)

However, in defense of the people here, the absurdity of the names stood out more in the PT because it wasn't good enough to make you want to believe its characters were real. In the OT, we believed that Lando sounded like it could be a real name in the Star Wars universe because it was all being presented in a believable way at that time. The PT loses my desire to believe it at many points and I would guess that many of the others here have similar experiences.

Post: #268771
Topic: Prequel Character Names
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/268771/action/topic#268771
Time: 30-Jan-2007 3:17 PM

Originally posted by: JediRandy
Jabba the Hutt, Grand Moff, Greedo, Lando, Ewoks, Boba, Dodonna, etc....

So are you saying that you disliked all of those names, Randy? Or are you claiming we should dislike them?

Post: #268499
Topic: Motivational posters
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/268499/action/topic#268499
Time: 29-Jan-2007 5:27 AM

Originally posted by: ferris209

I think Tiptup has found his fetish!

Perhaps, but I think its just more of an interest.

Every google search I try comes up with nothing similar however.

Post: #268496
Topic: The computing power behind ILM's magic
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/268496/action/topic#268496
Time: 29-Jan-2007 5:21 AM

Heh, I liked the imperial symbol and the Death Star names imprinted on the casing.

Post: #268493
Topic: Q: Death Star viewed from Endor
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/268493/action/topic#268493
Time: 29-Jan-2007 5:17 AM

Originally posted by: zombie84
The dust cloud generated by a chunk of the DS slamming into the surface would have produced a nuclear winter. Extrapolating the size of the pieces seen from the POV shot of Han on Endor, there would have been multiple pieces many miles across that would have impacted the planet, in addition to the thousands of smaller ones.

Assuming the DS chunk were moving at a good astronomical speed to actually provide that kind of energy.