Tiptup

JediSage said:

I didn't speak to the tree again. Yes, I solved the Earth temple first. Very frustrating.

All I can think is that you need to speak to him. I remember that when you do he gives you a message to go looking for Makar.

JediSage said:

Tiptup said:

JediSage said:

Wind Waker issue - in trying to get Makar to accompany me to the Wind Temple I'm having an incredibly hard time. I play the Wind God's aria for him, but all he does is tell me to keep his practicing a secret. I'm using the left trigger to target him and it's still happening. Thoughts?

You've tried the control song?

Howdy Tip.

Are you talking about the Command Melody? No, I haven't. It wasn't necessary when getting Medli to go to the Earth Temple, and the walkthrough's I've read give no indication. Is this something I should check?

Oh, I see. You haven't even gotten him to the temple yet. I misunderstood.

That's weird since it's the Wind God's aria that causes him to join you . . . Did you talk to the big tree guy before finding Makar? (I also assume you finished the Earth Temple which I think you need to do first.)

bkev said:

Tip, which newest series do you mean? Shin Tenchi Muyo (the one with the flat-out bizarre animation) or the just recently released OVA 3? Because, typically, STM is the one hated.

::looks up names::

The original OVA was my favorite, but it was too short and I wanted them to continue it. The reboot series that was made for TV was almost as good, but when it was continued with "Tenchi in Tokyo" I couldn't watch any further (yes, the animation was pretty weird, but everything was terrible). Otherwise, I was not aware of a second or third OVA series. Do they continue the continuity of the original OVA?

bkev said:

Tip, you a fan of Tenchi? I love that series. I noted you recommended it.

Yes, I liked the original series and the alternate series by quite a bit. Unfortunately I don't own it (borrowed it from a friend) and so I've only seen it once. That said, I tried starting the last Tenchi series and couldn't finish it (the humor was artificial and the stories were flat).

JediSage said:

Wind Waker issue - in trying to get Makar to accompany me to the Wind Temple I'm having an incredibly hard time. I play the Wind God's aria for him, but all he does is tell me to keep his practicing a secret. I'm using the left trigger to target him and it's still happening. Thoughts?

You've tried the control song?

C3PX said:

Tiptup said:

C3PX said:

Since I have not been able to stand any of it I have sat through, I am pretty sure I don't like it.

Hmm, what would you say the primary factor behind the fact that you don't like "anime" would be?

 

Crappiness mostly.

Ah, you mentioned, Princess Monoke and Spirited Away, those are too others that friends of mine have said I need to see before dismissing anime, didn't watch either one the whole way through, but I hated what I did watch. Like I said, it is not that I haven't given anime a chance, I just really don't like it. I don't know why, I just don't get into it. I would rather spend my time with other forms of entertianment.

Hmm, crappiness, not sure I've noticed that aspect of anime yet. :)

If you'd rather not explain your opinion that's fine. You were just making a lot of posts about the subject and so I was curious for something more specific.

C3PX said:

Since I have not been able to stand any of it I have sat through, I am pretty sure I don't like it.

Hmm, what would you say the primary factor behind the fact that you don't like "anime" would be? What does "anime" even mean to you?

I define anime as a form of animation that comes out of Japanese culture that is compatible with adult enjoyment or at least appreciation (anything else I just call a Japanese cartoon). Also, I prefer anime where the animation tends to be better than Western work. Otherwise, there's a ton of crap out there and the sheer range of different approaches to animation coming out of Japan are huge. I can't lump it all into one big thing.

Akira has interesting artwork put into it, but otherwise I find the film somewhat boring. Evangelion is the same deal for me. They're both slow, hard to care about, and obnoxiously secretive/condescending with their simplistic concepts.

I'd suggest trying different animes before dismissing all animation that comes from Japan. Perhaps you should check out some of the great Miyazaki films (Princess Mononoke would be my top suggestion, then Nausicaa, and Spirited Away to start) which are phenomenal to me (I'd also suggest another Studio Gibli film called Grave of the Fireflies). After that, the most amazing anime series that I know of are Macross, Macross Plus, and Cowboy Bebop. Record of Lodoss War is another fantastic series to watch if you're into traditional fantasy as I am (start with the old OVA before switching to the tv series). (I also love two other fantasy series: one called Berserk and the other called Escaflowne, but I wouldn't suggest for a newbie.) Oh, and a fantastic movie I shouldn't forget mentioning would be Wings of Honeamise. Otherwise, to round off my suggestions, you might like a classic anime movie called Vampire Hunter D (which was great in its time and still impresses me today).

There are other genres in anime that aren't on the top of my list but can be great. For instance, if you like more lighthearted and fun/adventurous material, I'd suggest something like Tenchi Muyo!, Chobits, Blue Seed, Samuri Champloo, Ah! My Goddess, and Sailor Moon. Otherwise there's a lot of good horror stuff and straightforward science fiction if you're into that. Otherwise, just look for what interests you personally and test it out. (Unless what you dislike about anime is something too fundamental for a different genre to fix.)

Oh, and generally, don't watch anything with an audio track where English is dubbed over the Japanese. In general, American voice actors suck ass and shit. One of the key aspects of Japanese animation is all the money that country pours into hiring amazing voice actors. You don't want to miss their work. You should almost always switch to subtitles (particularly with Evangelion or Akira).

Well, at least they had more fun making the movie than we did watching it.

Gaffer Tape said:

I laughed out loud when I read your comment because I always thought the same thing when watching Batman and Batman Returns. By the by, it always seemed to me like most of the outdoor scenes were filmed on a soundstage rather than on location or a backlot.

But as far as your comment about BB and Dark Knight, I really didn't notice anything. I mean, both of them had Batmobile chases through a tunnel/underpass, so, yeah, same environment. ^_~

So, yeah, HotRod, could you clarify a bit? Maybe it was something I did notice subconsciously. If not, I'll check it out when I see the movie again.

The streets felt narrower in the first. Also the dingy nature of everything and the suffocating train system made the first movie's city seem more run down. The new movie might have just shown us better locations than the first though. ;)

C3PX said:

lordjedi said:

 

Unfortunately, if I even think about the prequels while watching the OT, I think of Vader as a whiney little bitch instead of the true evil villain he is. That's probably why I don't think of the prequels much :)

 

Yeah, I know what you mean. Right after seeing Revenge of the Sith for the first time, I went to visit my parents, and my dad wanted to sit down and watch ANH together. I remember it felt like a totally different movie to me. I couldn't stop squiriming in my seat. All I could think of when I saw Vader on screen was whining Anakin and the stupid turn to the darkside in Revenge and his accidental murdering of the woman he was trying to save. That was the last time I watched ANH up until SW Revisited came out, by then I had gotten enough of the bad taste of ROTS out of my mouth that I was able to enjoy it again.

I had to purchase an unopened, widescreen edition of the 1995 release on VHS before I could forget all of that. The special editions just seem so tied to all of the crap that came out recently (that and they're not as good).

C3PX said:

I would call anime a "style" more than a medium.

I would say that all styles are a kind of medium. Styles and techniques are simply means that we use to achieve different results and, as such, can be analyzed in terms of their suitability for a given subject matter. For instance, a lot of anime (like DBZ) uses very large eyes as a way to artistically emphasize the types of expressions people can make with their eyes. The more complex the eyes are drawn (DBZ eyes are generally simple), the more beautiful this technique of emphasizing facial emotion can be. That's a medium if you ask me.

I'd wait a while.

It's not madness. Plain and simple: he was never a fan of what he made. He's a man who is fascinated by ideas and that helped him craft a few good movies. Otherwise, I don't think there's a single element of Star Wars which he would be faithful to as an artist. He just doesn't care about things in that way.

negative1 said:

yeah, i was trying too hard to prove a point...i deleted them now......

but is it any more egregious than constantly harping on Lucas?

I would have condensed the names into a list that used commas and not force everyone to scroll down a browser mile.

Otherwise, it depends. Lucas does deserve criticism, but some of us go to far.

negative1 said:

 

i must humbly disagree,

You just needlessly posted the entire credits for Phantom Menace over four posts. You're not humble. You're a dick.

This is something I've argued quite a few times. To start, the story is better in Phantom Menace, the acting is acceptable (overall), the music is the best of PT, and the flow/pacing of the film actually works (in a hyperactive, sugary way). After that, it starts getting more complicated.

I can totally understand why some people hate this movie. First, likable characters are perhaps the most important facet of any good movie and while Obiwan and Qui-gon were likable, the rest of the characters were pretty hollow and Jar Jar is downright obnoxious. Second, the film is filled with a lot of childish humor and condescendingly small presentations. All in all, we're left with a film that could potentially be very juvenile and obnoxious. I think one of the reasons I can enjoy Phantom Menace is because I'm able to not let those things bother me: I can generally ignore them just fine and even chuckle if I'm in the right mood.

To finish, I'll just say that this movie works with George Lucas' strengths. It doesn't deal with emotion very much, its fast paced and uncomplicated with its ideas, and its fairly epic in the way it pits good versus evil. While the film ignores and ruins many, key, Star-Wars concepts (and therefore I can't really call it a good "Star Wars" film), it still captures that Star Wars feel (better than any of the prequels did) and I like that a lot. In the end, I'll say its a movie that's good in its own weird way.

Akwat Kbrana said:

Personally, I always thought Anakin's character arc should've been exactly opposite. He should've started as a mature, noble, selfless, likeable character, and transform into an evil villain. Instead, we got an annoying, unrealistic little boy who transforms into a leary, creepy, whiny, overbearing, unbelievable jerk, and finally turns into the cool-as-ice villain from there.

Is it a bad thing when he's far more likeable as an evil villain than he is as a "good guy"?

Yes, you hit the nail on the head with that one. Darth Vader was a very strong villain and inspired tragic thoughts. My perfect idea of Anakin was exactly like yours. If I try to think of the Anakin we got while watching the originals it turns Darth Vader into a real whiny weakling in my perception.

Baronlando said:

About now, we're getting to the part where we get told we're being too picky about the changes and the transfers, they aren't that bad, we can never be satisfied etc.. Now, someone explain to me why these SAME people are always the ones that get completely cunty about the matte lines and R2D2's black squares and all the other terrible flaws in the original versions?

They're people who can't come up with good arguments and, as a result, they must resort to hypocritical rhetoric?

I actually think their main problem is that they don't have much of anything they personally care about. They don't understand the idea of preserving something good and they, instead, simply want to see something new over and over again. Therefore, when they see us arguing for something we value, they feel threatened by our discriminating tastes in relation to their lack of standards. Often their best response (to make themselves feel better) is to argue for a standard which is apposed to all other standards.

I've run into people like this in many different places. Their approach is illogical but they strangely feel self-righteous and good about themselves anyways.

Octorox said:

I was going to go down to Tosche station to pick up some power converters!

You can waste time with your friends later

 

Governer Tarkin, I recognized your foul stench as soon as I got on board

 

I'll think of more later

Apart from the "foul stench" line, those are more than decent in comparison to what the PT gave us. Even then, Carrie Fisher at least acted that line in a way where it was believable. I could see a Princess coming up with an insult like that.

negative1 said:

 

this was one of the most predictable , boring movies i have ever had the misfortune of watching lately..

 

jack nicholson was much better, the first batman was best, ALL of the rest of them sucked, especially batman begins....

 

harvey dent was lame.....and the joker, eh......

oh well, you know they can't make a sequel (apologies to heath, who tried , but didn't quite make it)...

 

later

-1

Jack Nicholson sucked as the Joker. At best Jack Nicholson is a character actor and his portrayal of the Joker was simply a maniacal version of his ordinary Jack Nicholison. It was not the real Joker by any means. It made for a good movie in its time, but this new one kicks its ass to the high heavens.

Quote some of the bad lines from the original trilogy and we'll compare. :)

Here's a great line that impresses the ladies:

"I hate the sand."

Johnny Ringo said:

 

Of those that have seen TDK, what are your thoughts on a sequel? Would you be satisfied if they don't do any follow up films? Personally I'm satisfied with where the story currently lies, And I'm also concerned that the studio may want to keep churning out sequels given the success...which could lead us back into Joel Schumacher territory at some point. Granted that's a worst case scenario [in my mind].

If all the same, key people are involved then I'd welcome it. I'd be happy if this series could be rounded off as a true trilogy.

Johnboy3434 said:

What about Clive Revill? Not only was his entire performance cut out of the film, but he's still alive to see it. That's a much bigger insult than what happened to Shaw, and yet that's the one major change that most of the people around here seem to accept.

I have not accepted that. It is the sole reason I have refused to watch my 2004 DVDs. I watched Star Wars and didn't move onto Empire Strikes Back because I was so offended at George's tacky shit with the Emperor scene. I'd toss those shitty discs in the trash if I hadn't spent so much money on them. (Also, if you must know, I actually liked the smoother, creepier version of the Emperor in ESB over the final Emperor we got in RotJ.)

The replacement of Sebastian Shaw's Anakin force ghost is also infuriating, but mostly because Hayden Christensen is obnoxious and because it turns the repentence of Darth vader into a meaningless, hollow event. It changes the story and looks ridiculous. As a fan of Star Wars I am reduced to the position of hating the films that are out now.

Now, that said, George can make whatever kind of stupid edits he wants with Star Wars if he'd actually restore the original version of the film and offer it to us in competent, DVD quality. He can insert and refilm whatever the fuck he wants and I wouldn't care—at least not beyond the fact the fact that I once respected the man. He could take out James Earl Jone's voice if he wanted to and I'd simply say, "Oh that crazy Lucas, there he goes again" because at least I'd have what I fucking want.

Okay, I have an actual example of it happening again. The second sentence I was typing below should have been part of the same paragraph. I only hit Spacebar and then Shift+I around the line skipping event (the last few skips I've encountered have been between sentences so maybe using Shift to get a capital letter is the culprit). (Also, before that, I went below the quote and hit Shift+Enter once and it gave me two line skips instead of one, which is another thing that has happened to me more than once.) I hope this helps.

Here's the post:

Johnboy3434 said:

What about Clive Revill? Not only was his entire performance cut out of the film, but he's still alive to see it. That's a much bigger insult than what happened to Shaw, and yet that's the one major change that most of the people around here seem to accept.

I have not accepted that.
It is the sole reason I have refused to watch my

I think most people are used to forums and messengers that will automatically identify an internet address and display it as a link. It might be good for this forum software to do the same thing to newly posted messages (unless a box is unchecked or something) since I keep seeing people neglecting to use url tags. That is unless there's a good reason not to do that. :)