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#562263
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Star Wars: Underworld (Live Action Series)
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On the plus side, Lucas has said he's retiring, right? It may be that he'll leave this one to competent professionals who know what makes good television and what made Star Wars good, once upon a time.

Maybe the scripts will even get rewrites? Maybe the directors will be the kind who are capable of getting a performance from actors, like Kirshner was?

I mean, the "Empire on steroids" quote is godawful, but maybe, translated from McCallum's exaggerated toady-speak, that simply means "similar in tone to Empire"?


I'm going to remain the voice of optimism here until I am officially kneed in the Gundarks.

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#557298
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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Ronster said:

 I already thought about corusant  before and there is just too many Audio dubs and new scenes with main characters so what ever I am not going to involve myself in the corusant idea any further basically I am not interested and do not care for the PT at all they were all pretty crap IMO and to go to so much work in order to make ROTJ fit more with the PT is not an option for me.

I agree completely. The reason I refer to this planet constantly as "the Imperial Capital" is to avoid associating it with the prequel planet Corsucant - though the two are very similar.

I'm interested in this idea more because I know it was once conceived of as a location in an early draft of Return of the Jedi, and I'd like to see this idea finally come to fruition after having been cancelled.

You can see Ralph McQuarrie's original concept art here, all created long before the prequels were even conceived of:

"Imperial Capital" streets: http://lostepisodes.fateback.com/graphics/pictures/conceptart-coruscant1.jpg

Imperial cities: http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/books/art/coruscant1.jpg

Imperial Palace, Tower and Monuments: http://lostepisodes.fateback.com/graphics/pictures/conceptart-coruscant2.jpg

Entertainment District: http://awdsgn.com/classes/fall09/webI/student/trad_mw/mcnamara/rmq/images/coruscant_entertainment_district.jpg

Imperial Planet from space: http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2011/10/death_star_concept_by_ralph_mcquarrie.jpg

Imperial Monuments: http://www.loresdelsith.net/universo/galaxia/bin/monumentpark.jpg

...and there's more where that came from.

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#557195
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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Ronster said:

Look Pal, I don't think yout idea is rubbish far from it... The whole hang up is executing the corusant idea so keep going and I hope you can figure it all out.... I gave up on it because like I said before I do not believe you can make a good edit of ROTJ and do this Idea.... It does not mean it's a bad idea it just will be extraordinarily difficult to get it to sound, look and feel right so keep it going If you have all the answers make it happen

Sure, I get it. It'd take a lot of work.

I didn't mean to come off as confrontational, I was just defending the idea.

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#557179
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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Ronster said:

TheOdo your explaination is good but you did not answer how you will attempt to accomplish the "threat" with any scenes breakdown like pruposed changes so it would appear that the empire is spread thin across the galaxy.... Or How do you intend to show the oppression in the galaxy?

The "spread thin throughout the galaxy" line isn't mine, it's Mon Mothma's. If there's a problem with not seeing the oppression across the galaxy that this entails, it's a problem with the original film, not with my proposal.

As for the threat, I had thought of having Vader arrive at the Palace and head straight to the Emperor's throne room. He would talk with Palpatine - who would remain unseen on his throne, looking out his window at the landscape - and they would discuss the imminent threat of a Rebel attack.

The Emperor's confidence in the face of this would be enough to alert the audience that something is up and that the attack may not go smoothly. Vader would then exit the throne room and have his telepathic communication with Luke. We would then cut to Dagobah, where Luke has completed his training. The deleted saber building episode would be transplanted to the dark side cave on Dagobah, then we'd cut to Yoda's death.

How do you even plan to show the emporer as a dictator? I am referecing his arrival at the death star where pretty much all He and Vader does is talk about is Deathstar being completed and Luke?

For one thing, the exterior of the Palace would feature a statue of the Emperor, showing all the grandeur and egoism of a dictatorship. Much of the Death Star conversation would be moved to earlier in the film in an edited form. The "everything is proceeding as I have foreseen" moment is what would start the film. There's also his vantage point. The tower that contains his throne room would be situated on top of a massive Palace, which, along with the statues and other imagery on the exterior of the palace, suggests dictatorship perfectly well to me.

and then it's the same again you have not thought about it....Vader travels from Corusant To Endor to witness lukes pressence flys back to corusant to tell the emporer then goes back to endor to get luke to bring him back to corusant.... Sorry man I'd rather watch the original...

I'm not sure I understand.

Vader's jumping around from the command ship, to the Death Star and back again happens in the original film as well. That's no addition of mine. The only difference in my version is that he goes to the Palace's throne room, not the Death Star's throne room.

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#557151
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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Ronster said:

Yeah so how does Endor Play in this, is this a moon of Corusant? The problem with that is that Endor is nowhere near it but you then throw the prequels out the window, which does not bother me too much but people will be like "what?"

Yes, Endor is a moon of Coruscant. In the original draft of Return of the Jedi, I seem to remember Endor having been a moon of the Imperial planet. This is where the name "sanctuary moon" comes from. Somehow it survived into the final drafts.

"Sanctuary" because it is a natural environment not built up with technology, as the surface of the Imperial world had been. Don't quote me on that, though, I'm going from memory and it's been a while since I checked out the draft.

Yes, the prequels would be considered very much secondary to this edit, although there are indeed moons around Coruscant in the prequels, if anybody cares.

Is there a death star in this version and where is it?

No. One of the reasons to make the Palace the focus of the assault is to avoid rehashing the Death Star, something which Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back producer Gary Kurtz (I think rightly) condemned as unimaginative in his interview with IGN.

If they blow up the Palce who destroys the Death Star as this threat is not there /removed?

Nobody, as it doesn't exist. I had a discussion about this before, but I think I might as well repeat myself here.

The reason the original Death Star was created was as a propaganda symbol as much as a weapon of destruction. It was meant to demonstrate the power of the Empire, but its destruction would have been an equally massive propaganda failure.

It would be like building a second Hindenburg. It wouldn't say "obey" it would remind people of the Empire's humiliating and improbable defeat, so even in-universe, the second Death Star is a problem.

That's not to say the Empire wouldn't do it, but it's as if their propaganda department was all blown up with the original Death Star. It lacks imagination in-universe and out.

What threat is there of impending doom or Political reasons that causes people to uprise against the emporer if there is no Death Star and how do you attempt to conjure this threat with what footage is available?

The arrival of the Rebel fleet, the destruction of the Imperial Palace and the likely death of the emperor would serve as a catalyst for an all out uprising by the population.

As with real world dictatorships, symbolic acts can often compel an oppressed population to rebel, often against massive odds. With the Rebel fleet's arrival and recent victory, sympathizers on the surface would have every reason to begin rebelling.

Remember, the Empire didn't have an operational Death Star for much of its existence. The people would have to have been kept under foot by other means.

Endor has a shield generator protectiing a Palace on another Planet or a Deathstar?

Usually, the Imperial Capital would be defended by a massive fleet. With the outbreak of Rebellion, the fleet is now "spread thin throughout the galaxy in a vain attempt to engage" the Rebels.

Because of this, a security shield has been built around the planet in the absence of the fleet, effectively quarantining it and its population.

This is a show of weakness that the Rebels seek to exploit, but, of course, it turns out to be a trap. The fleet has left the Imperial Capital in an attempt to coax the Rebels into attacking. As they approach the Imperial home-world, they'll find that they're being jammed by operators on the surface, then the Imperial fleet exits hyperspace and begins its assault.

What destroys the Rebel Capital Ships?

The Imperial fleet's assault.

Although a surprising blast from the Death Star was necessary in the original, the threat in this edit is the massive Imperial fleet.

What does the executor crash into?

I had different ideas for this. One was to have it crash into a smaller moon.

Another was to have the Executor crash into another Super Star Destroyer, which entails the destruction of two flag ships and so sends the fleet into a state of disarray. With the shield now down and the Rebels launching their attack on the Palace, this would be a major blow to the Imperial offensive.

They've lost several commanders and are now continuing the assault in the knowledge that the Emperor - everything they've been fighting for - is now under threat.

Luke goes to Endor and then to corusant and then back to Endor?

Yes, just as he goes to Endor, then to the Death Star, then back to Endor. Endor is now a moon of the Imperial Capital, as in the original draft, so this is not a very long journey.

You also forgot re-dubbing the emporers lines / and having to remove much of his parts in it.

The Emperor does not mention the Death Star all that much, actually. When he does, he refers to it only as a "battle station".

He does reference the "shield generator", which we now take to be a generator defending the entire Imperial planet.

For example, this scene works even with the removal of the Death Star, with the throne room now set inside the Palace:

EMPEROR
Ah, yes, a Jedi's weapon. Much like your
father's. By now you must know your father
can never be turned from the dark side. So
will it be with you.

LUKE
You're wrong. Soon I'll be dead...and you
with me.

The Emperor laughs.

EMPEROR
Perhaps you refer to the imminent attack of
your Rebel fleet.

Luke looks up sharply.

EMPEROR
Yes...I assure you we are quite safe from
your friends here.

Vader looks at Luke.

LUKE
Your overconfidence is your weakness.

EMPEROR
Your faith in your friends is yours.

VADER
It is pointless to resist, my son.

The Emperor turns to face Luke.

EMPEROR (angry)
Everything that has transpired has done so
according to my design.
Your friends up there on the Sanctuary
Moon...

Luke reacts. The Emperor notes it.

EMPEROR (cont)
...are walking into a trap. As is your Rebel
fleet! It was I who allowed the Alliance to
know the location of the shield generator. It
is quite safe from your pitiful little band.
An entire legion of my best troops awaits
them.

Luke's look darts from the Emperor to Vader and, finally, to the
sword in the Emperor's hand.

EMPEROR
Oh...I'm afraid the deflector shield will be
quite operational when your friends arrive.

 

 

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#557143
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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Ronster said:

Theoodo, I have 2 things to say about your Idea, whilst it is good, and even I thought about the corusant scenario the main problem is executing it... Making it all happen on corusant the amount of Audio dubs from main characters from "Death Star" to "Empirial Palce"... It is not only an enormous undertaking with Audio and Visually + Graphically too but being able to even pull it off and make it plausible is another and I believe that even though the DSII is a recycled idea it has everything there already waiting to be manipulated in such a way that it can work alot better than than even the original has to offer..... Even with DSII staying at the helm. This is only my opinion, there are many others who would really want to hold the battle of endor on corusant, I for one do not believe it is possible....

secondly, ROTJ is'nt the best film but V for Vendetta is the worst film, I had to turn it off when I attempted to watch it.. . So I never saw that scene before in the link you posted... I get what your trying to say like an uprising but how to show a massive uprising on corusant without filming huge crowds of people , dressed up and with CGI Backdrops and real sets is definatly beyond my vision, If you can attempt to show us how you plan or propose to execute your ideas then it would add more weight behind it... Perhaps it can be done but having an idea and then not thinking about how you will do it are 2 totally different things.  Granted alot can be achieved by sticking different background mattes up and alike but you are practically talking about making half a different movie and that is why I also ditched this idea myself, after briefly supporting it I realised it's not for the fainthearted and no offense to you or anyone else who likes the idea as I like it myself somewhat it is just such a massive burden.

Well, I did deal with this in an abbreviated way in my original post on this. It would require several new mattes to replace the originals, and a whole new 3D environment of the Imperial city for the arrival of Vader's shuttle and the Falcon's brief pass over its surface. Ackbar would have to be re-dubbed and Mon Mothma's speech shortened. A new hologram would also have to be made for that scene. Other than that, we need only remove Lando's occasional mentions of the Death Star during the battle and the story would roll out without much more alteration. An altered opening crawl would also help establish that the Rebels are plotting an assault on the seat of Imperial power, while they have a brief window of opportunity. Some of that may sound impossible, but we've already discussed adding whole new CGI ships and a whole new sequence with the Bothan spies. I don't think my idea is much more drastic than either of these suggestions.

As for an uprising, it wouldn't actually be necessary (the destruction of the palace itself would be a striking enough image, followed by the celebrations on Endor) but we in fact already have footage of rebellions on Coruscant - namely, the special edition footage of people celebrating. You'll notice a Stormtrooper being passed over the crowds of people. With a little audio editing, this scene could be turned into a violent riot rather than a celebration. That, or you could keep it as a more celebratory uprising. Following the destruction of the palace, the latent anger of the oppressed populace is unleashed, while our heroes celebrate on the neighboring moon. As for Vendetta, I agree it's nothing compared to the comic (which I like), but I was only using it to illustrate how a building's destruction can be as dramatic as - or more dramatic than - the destruction of the Death Star.

Whatever you think of the movie, I don't think you can fault the magnitude of its conclusion.

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#557139
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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Okay, so my idea about setting the final battle in the Imperial Capital isn't so popular, but I'd like to say two things in its defense.

Firstly, the original, I think, lacks tension compared with this idea. The Death Star is apparently not operational. We only discover that it's operational during the battle. This makes for a good twist, but it also leaves the tension very slack up until this point. The Death Star is also apparently undefended, meaning that we can expect this battle not to be too difficult, until it turns out to be a trap. This idea, on the other hand, would have the rebels seeking to assault the Imperial stronghold, which is only for the moment less defended than it usually is. It's a desperate attempt to knock out the Imperial government while they still have a minor chance of success. This possibility for success is then dashed when it turns out to all be a trap. In this concept, the tension is high at all times. At every moment, they're facing a tremendous danger, even in the best of all possible scenarios, and then the worst possible scenario - which would be the arrival of a massive imperial fleet - occurs.

Secondly, I think the destruction of the palace could not only be as good and exciting as the destruction of the Death Star, I think it could be better and more original. Take for example the conclusion of V for Vendetta, which features the destruction of the Houses of Parliament. The symbolism is clear - it's the elimination of an old order and implies the institution of a new, better order of life. If the Imperial Palace was decked out in statues of the Emperor, intimidating semi-Gothic arches and other imposing imagery, its destruction would represent the collapse of the whole oppressive Empire. It would give the viewers more reason to believe that this is a blow that the Empire can't recover from. It has lost not only its leader, but the seat of its government and likely the whole of its political class. After all, the Empire was very centralized. It's possible that they orchestrated the oppression of the galaxy from this massive base of operations.

Imagine something like this, with Williams instead of Tchaikovsky:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnPvbfogeSI#t=1m53s

 

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#556878
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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I've been the resident advocate of this idea for a long time, so at the risk of sounding repetitive, I'd like to propose something... I always felt that the rehashing of the Death Star was weak, so to make the ending more climactic, I'd like to propose that the assault on the Death Star II be replaced with an assault on the Imperial Capital.

Why? The Rebels have been working on the outer reaches of the galaxy up to the final movie. By forcing them to take on the center of Imperial activity, it adds tension and makes the conclusion more dramatic. Endor is yet another backwater, but by sending them to the Imperial Capital we signal that this truly is the last, decisive battle.

By ridding it of the DSII, we also make it clear that the threat is very different than the threat in the first movie. Here the risk is that the Rebellion has been drawn into the belly of the beast to be destroyed. I know there's already been talk of adding Coruscant to the finale, but I think that if that's going to happen, it might as well be used as a means to getting rid of a rehashed plot element.

How? Well, there are ways:

1. At the opening of the movie, replace the entire matte of Endor and the DSII with a matte of the Imperial Capital, looking like a degraded Coruscant.

2. New establishing shots would have to be made of the shuttle's arrival at the Imperial Palace.

3. The interior of the DSII would now be taken as the interior of the Imperial Palace.

4. The Emperor's throne room would need new mattes for all the windows, showing the dingy city environment outside.

5. New establishing shots would have to be created for the Palace.

6. From the surface of Endor (now a moon of the Capital) we should be able to see the Imperial Capital.

7. Luke's confrontation with Vader in the Endor Imperial base could now be set in a building in the Imperial Capital - perhaps a massive and foreboding detention center. New establishing shot would be needed along with new scenery outside the corridor's windows.

8. A new hologram would have to be made for the briefing scene in which Ackbar explains the nature of the attack - the whole Imperial planet is surrounded by an energy shield generated from the moon of Endor. In order to attack the Palace, they must shut down the generator, send a team to fly into a service shaft which travels underneath the Palace and have them destroy the Palace's energy reactor, which cause a chain reaction destroying the entire palace. The only reason this attack can proceed is that the Imperial fleet is "spread thin throughout the galaxy in a vain attempt to engage" the Rebels. This, of course, is all a trap to bring the Rebels onto the Empire's home turf.

9. The Falcon's attack on the DSII's surface would have to be altered so that it appears to be flying along the surface of a city before ducking into the service shaft.

10. The big dramatic conclusion! The Imperial Palace would have to explode in dazzling fashion just as the Falcon escapes the blast. This would probably require a whole new CG model, like the establishing shots mentioned above.

Well, that's my offering. Take it or leave it, I just felt I had to say it.

 

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#537533
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Condition of the Bluray deleted scenes. Quite rough.
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It's a shame the audio is so rough in the sandstorm scene. The images are really iconic, the tone is more in line with the events of Empire, what with Luke's solemn attitude, and it's great to see Han reunited with the Falcon.

Though it seems some of the dialogue has either been removed or was never shot. Han doesn't appear to make his famous "wide-awake nothing" declaration about the experience of being frozen in carbon and Lando doesn't explain himself to Han at all.

I don't remember much about it, but could the radio drama be useful at all in replacing Luke's dialogue?

EyeShotFirst said:

I know I played the exact music in my winamp while watching it, and it was amazing. The video should clean fairly well.

Which music was that?

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#537460
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Star Wars coming to Blu Ray (UPDATE: August 30 2011, No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!)
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zombie84 said:

Tyrphanax said:

At least one person at the BBC agrees with us!

BBC quotes savestarwars.com FTW!

Awesome!

Maybe this whole Blu-Ray fiasco is a blessing in disguise.

Save Star Wars is getting some of the attention it deserves, almost every media report on the matter has sided with the fans who want the theatrical versions preserved for posterity and made available, even the die-hard Lucas faithful have had their loyalty shaken, there have been boycotts, hugely critical reviews all over Amazon.com etc. etc.

Maybe Lucasfilm will finally sit up and take notice?

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#537359
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Bingowings said:

If prune face Palpatine is his true face and normal Naboo politician faced Palpatine is the disguise perhaps that globe thing from TPM is a power source for his mask.

Palpatine could have had access to it when it was in the Royal palace, used enough of it's energy to establish his alter ego and tried to obtain it permanently.

After it's given to the Gungans at the end of TPM it could be put on display in the Chancellor's office as a sign of the union between the Gungan and Naboo people and peace in general.

We see Palpatine has plenty of art objects in his office but these could be just a means of disguising the globe's true use.

When Mace goes to arrest him the globe could be smashed, making his true face come through and return permanently.

It would also serve as a metaphor for the shattering of peace.

I always assumed that Palpatine was simply thousands of years old, explaining his severely withered face.

It's heavily implied that Palpatine is the apprentice of Darth Plageuis of the Sith legend "The Tragedy of Darth Plageuis the Wise". If the events of this story had occurred only a few decades before, it would hardly count as a legend.

The Sith as a large group with received lore and shared myths have been extinct for a millennia, meaning that Palpatine may be from this ancient era and used Plageuis's ability to "keep those he cares about from dying" to sustain himself unnaturally for thousands of years. At some point, he must have infiltrated a noble family of Naboo and worked his way into politics, with the intention of setting up an Empire which would allow him to achieve ultimate power.

I also always assumed that the reveal of Palpatine's withered face was a result of him having been struck by his own lightening, that being on the receiving end of his own power and malice weakened him to such a degree that he could no longer maintain his youthful form.

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#537150
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Worst Dialogue from............................The Phantom Menace!
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Anything said by Anakin.

Anything said by Jar Jar.

Almost anything said by the droids.

Most things said by the Neimoidians.

A fair amount of what the Jedi say.

All dialogue concerning the amazingly weak space-trade plot.

 

So, to sum up, the best dialogue in the movie is probably the sound of the lighting guy sneezing which found its way into the mix...

 

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#536993
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The Phantom Menace - Spence Edit
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I just posted this in the Radical Redux thread, but I think it's relevant to this cut, given that you want to make Phantom into a stand-alone, swashbuckling adventure flick.

How about replacing all the Sidious holograms with Darth Maul holograms? It'd make him into the primary antagonist, allowing you to end the film with his death and the failure of his scheme to conquer Naboo.

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#536982
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Please excuse me. I've had another random thought:

How about replacing all the Sidious holograms with Darth Maul holograms in The Phantom Menace? In this way, you'd be able to give Maul some new dialogue, have him appear to be the primary antagonist of the film (as he was set up to be, judging by the promotional material) and actually give him a character.

It'd also make the film a stronger stand-alone piece like A New Hope, because rather than leave the mystery of who the real Dark Lord is hanging, we'd assume that he's been defeated and his scheme failed.

Also, I feel the invasion sequences of Naboo needs to be made more ominous. Currently, the lighting is very cheery (at best neutral) daylight.

Mock-up:

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#536500
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Here's an idea that might help make Revenge of the Sith match Return of the Jedi's revelations a little more.

When Amidala confronts Anakin about turning to the Dark Side, she begs him to come away with her. It'd seem that this conflicts somewhat with Vader's statement that it was Obi-Wan who "once thought like Luke" in asking him to come with him. In Revenge of the Sith, it doesn't seem that Obi-Wan makes any such offer to Vader.

A way to fix this incongruity would be to change Amidala's lines around a little.

"Come away with me. Leave everything else behind. Obi-Wan knows...He wants to help us."

In this way, Obi-Wan becomes an accomplice in their escape, which also helps solidify the friendship between Anakin and Obi-Wan (and boy does their friendship need solidifying). Even in the most dire circumstances, Obi-Wan is reluctant to "do what he must" and instead offers his friend Anakin a way out - that is, until it becomes clear that he's too far-gone to help.

Edit:

Oh, and looking at that scene, there's a lot more cutting that needs to be done.

Anakin's bullet-points of things he's brought to his "new empire" should definitely be cut down. I'd say "security" would be enough, dropping "freedom", "justice" and "peace" from the list, 'cause security is probably higher on the mind of insecure ol' Anakin than any of the others.

I'd also suggest that Palpatine's ominous "and we shall have peace" line be changed. Peace has universally positive connotations, so it's dissonant to hear it coming out of the mouth of Emperor McMonsterface.

If the Order 66 line is removed, the line could be altered to "And we shall have order", which is more in line with the aspirations of Palpatine's authoritarian dictatorship. In fact, it'd seem that Palpatine's New Order necessitates a hell of a lot of conflict, but that conflict itself may be part of Palpatine's conception of what proper "order" entails.

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#534739
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Well, if we wanted to come up with some kind of explanation for the Jedi in peasant robes thing, we could say that it has to do with their rejection of wealth and power as virtues. A bit like how Yoda surprises us in Empire by being a great warrior, it could be that the Jedi believe that it is the small and seemingly powerless - in this case, peasants - who represent the sacred and honourable. It's the sort of thinking you can find in Christianity, Greek Cynicism, Buddhism, strands of Hinduism and many other faiths.

The trouble with the prequels (as mentioned above) is that these supposedly humble Jedi occupy a massive and decidedly gaudy looking temple. Then again, it's not as if this contradiction doesn't exist in the real world also, what with treasures of the Vatican and the many sumptuous Buddhist temples which exist.

I think Bingowings' idea works. In times of peace, the Jedi dress in simple, modest, peasant clothing, representative of their humility, but if a Jedi enrols in the military or decides independently to enter a conflict, s/he'll wear the appropriate clothing and armour.

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#533991
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Wow... Possible future resource for SW fan editing.
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I hear that the audio for the sandstorm scene is rough, but that Hamill's solemn acting in this scene is more in line with the direction his character has taken since The Empire Strikes Back.

It might be good to use it, if only to replace the grins-all-around exit from Tatooine which exists in the present form of Return of the Jedi.

I haven't actually seen it myself (not touching the Blu Rays) but does anyone who has reckon it's usable or at least salvageable on some level?

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#533813
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The Phantom Menace - Spence Edit
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ben_danger said:

someone suggested ages ago that the neimodians wouldn't be "oh my god JEDI!" but more like "what the hell is a jedi?". knocking them out of the limelight, could make the galaxy seem larger, but also support han's later ignorance to the force.

I think that might have been one of mine. Here's the dialogue I'd offered at that time, somewhat revised:

Scene - Control room, Nute and Daultay talking to protocol droid.

Nute Gunray: What? Speak up, droid!

TC-14: The ambassadors for the Galactic Republic appear to be Jedi Knights.

Daultay Dofine: Jedi? Religious fanatics! We cannot trust their kind!

Nute Gunray: Indeed. You may deal with this nuisance however you like.

Daultay Dofine: However I like? That's unusually harsh of you ... (to TC-14) prepare the battle droids.

Scene - Later, Nute and Daultay talking to Palpatine's hologram.

Daultay Dofine: The ambassadors are Jedi, lord. But their ancient superstitions will surely be no match for our-

Palpatine: Viceroy, I don't want this slime in my sight again. This turn of events is unfortunate. We must accelerate our plans. Begin landing your troops.

Nute Gunray: And what of the Jedi?

Palpatine: Kill them immediately.

Nute Gunray: With pleasure, my master.

Scene - As Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon battle the droids, Nute and the Old Neimodian (Rune Haako) pace away from the view-screen.

Rune Haako: You underestimate the Jedi, Viceroy!

Nute Gunray: Why? Because I don't believe those legends? Seal off the bridge!

Rune Haako: The legends are true, sir!

Nute Gunray: More droids! For your own sake, do not fail me!

Rune Haako: Surrender is still an option...

Scene - Control room as Qui-Gon penetrates the blast-door.

Rune Haako: You see?! The Force is with them!

Nute Gunray (Uncertain): No! It's a myth!

Rune Haako: Your lack of faith has doomed us all!

Scene - Control room, watching Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon flee the destroyer droids on the view-screen.

Rune Haako: Now do you believe the legends, sir?

Conveniently, Nute nods to what Rune Haako is saying at this point, indicating that he may have had a change of heart and now recognises the Jedi's power.

If Haako is given the voice of an older male, it could suggest that he has dealt with Jedi in the past and has been impressed by them, further establishing them as a powerful and mysterious though misunderstood and somewhat forgotten order. This also plays into the theme of spirituality vs. attempts at technological domination from the original trilogy - the Viceroy is young and arrogant and believes in domination, strength and machine-like efficiency, whereas the older Neimodian is wiser and knows that there truly is some mysterious power the Jedi wield, even if he is uncertain what that power is exactly.