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#154227
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This 2007 Archival Edition - For Real Or Not ???
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154227/action/topic#154227
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Oh, quit taking yourselves so seriously guys.

I respect those of you that held out and didn't buy the 2004 DVD's based on your convictions - you are to be commended for your dedication, at least.

For the other bandwagoners - and you know who you are - if Lucas pooped and slapped the Star Wars logo on it, you'd still buy it.

Just to head the Prequel Bashers off at the pass: Yes, I know you feel that the Prequels are Lucas' equivalent of slapping the Star Wars logo on poop.
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#154223
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Sometimes do you feel like you should give up on the cause?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154223/action/topic#154223
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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
I will never give up. True fans, honostly true fans of Star Wars would want nothing but the original version. The orginal version has been around for 20 years. The so called "special edition" has only been around for 8. I think that the original version wins in this round.

For those who want to give up. Fine. Go join the dark side. See what we care. For the rest of us, we are going to contunue to fight the good fight. We will settle for nothing less than the best: The original original trilogy.


Do you really believe this, or are you just trying to fit in?

No offense, but who are you to presume what a 'true fan' of Star Wars is?
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#154222
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Watching in order 1-6 is screwing up the original SW for newcomers!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154222/action/topic#154222
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Prior to the Prequels, up to and including the 1997 Special Editions, Star Wars fans garnered a certain amount of respect not afforded to other fan bases.

Star Trek fans, particularly, had unjustifiably become synonomous with the stigmatic image of a lonely white male, safely nestled away in his parent's basement. They were known to be extremely over-protective of their obsession, discussing the minutiae of Star Trek ad nauseum at conventions and in fanzines. They were marginalized in society and, this can't have been very nice for them to endure, they were often ridiculed in the Press and became punch lines on late night talk shows.

Star Wars fans were spared this, because, as a group we were pretty cohesive and didn't take ourselves all that seriously. More importantly, we were not mocked, made fun of, or condescended by the mainstream. We were a happy bunch who saw Star Wars as fun, that when pressed, more often than not would repeat the words of the still respected George Lucas, "They're just movies."

We endured the Special Editions, they were fun. It was a blast to hear so many like minded fans, a mix of all nationalities, religions and sexes, cheering the first time Obi-Wan was on screen, or laughing when Luke wanted to go to Tosche station. We were united and strong, and nothing could hold us back in the sheer exhileration of sharing 2 hours with complete strangers who, in fact, had everything in common.

This was also around the time that the Internet started to become widely used. Now, all of a sudden, you could actually talk to these people. What a concept. Suddenly, Star Wars fandom wasn't only between a group of 3 or 4 friends. Suddenly, Star Wars fandom was becoming a global community.

When all of these personalities started to mix, there was infighting to be sure, there were disagreements, but damn it - it was still cool to be a Star Wars fan and we were united.

A coupke of years later, around the time of 'Phantom Menace,' there was this great shift in the extended Star Wars family. A splinter occurred due to the obvious reaction to the film and Star Wars fans became polarized. Suddenly, the prevailing opinion was, 'What do we do now?' I clearly remember for the very first time, a clear and decisive line being drawn down the middle of the community, and you were either on the 'I still love Star Wars side,' or the 'George Lucas raped my childhood side.' There was no grey area, and this to me, signalled the beginning of the end of two things - 1) The "coolness" of being a Star Wars fan & 2) The 'respect' we garnered from the mainstream.

Debate was furious, to say the least. We were at each other's throats like lions. 'Phantom Menace' was deconstructed, ripped apart, put back together (literally in some cases!) and the community became more and more polarized. The debate spilled over into the Original Trilogy. The Prequel-Haters disdain for Lucas was evident in their SE bashing. The Prequel-Lovers would defend Lucas, but were willing to concede that they were all a little bit let down. The two sides were fine for the most part with the SE's before 'Phantom Menace' mind you, but now here was something that drove a stake through the heart of the Star Wars fanbase, and the cohesive global community began to die.

We began to disect the original trilogy with a venom unseen for two decades. We began to get irritated by the little things that we had generally accepted for most of our natural lives. Then there was the saturation of the marketplace with Star Wars product. You couldn't go into Wal-Mart and sneeze without hitting something emblazoned with the Star Wars logo.

Here is the point of my long-winded brief history of Star Wars fandom - the mainstream smelled this shift and lept upon us. The Press began to tear us down, mock us, and treat us with the same kind of disrespect that had until that time been reserved for the Trekkers. Suddenly, it was us on Letterman's Top 10 lists, not them. It was really, really sad - and more than likely a great time to be be a Star Trek fan!

And you know what? Through all of this hate, spite and endless debate among the Star Wars Community, it gets really depressing that we all can't remember, cherish and love the very thing that brought us so much happiness over the years, happiness that we should be grateful for. Then I usually shrug and tell myself that, after all - we did it to ourselves.
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#154026
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Return of the Jedi + Revenge of the Sith = one amazing movie!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/154026/action/topic#154026
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Look, the Organa's knew Padme and probably saw no harm in telling Leia about her. As a consequence, she probably had a picture in her mind of what Padme was like.

The Lars knew Padme and that if they told Luke what really happened to her than his safety would be compromised.

So Leia's memory could have come from the Organa's...anyway, it's a good of enough reason for me.
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#153953
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Help: looking for... The Missing 'Raiders of The Lost Ark' Scene...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153953/action/topic#153953
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Originally posted by: SammyTheBull
The fact that only Lucas has so far saved the world from Indiana Jones IV is another reason why he should be praised. There is nothing worse in the film world than remakes, but the second place in the hierarchy of idiocy is occupied by belated, unwanted sequels that no logic accepts (especially when you have a self-standing trilogy that opens and closes itself perfectly), that only a couple of "fans" actually demand, and that only gets considered because it's easy money. There are about four exceptions where a sequel was actually good enough to be comparable to the original,
there are exactly three cases where the sequel was better (Godfather II, Bride of Frankenstein, Star Trek II), and there are a few cases where a sequel is so different that it makes an excellent film on its own (Return to Oz), but 99,99% of the cases are cash-in trash. The Indy IV crowd probably consists of the same ones that are now wondering "duh, me want know when Peter Jackson shoot Lord of the Rings IV, duuh". (Of course, half of Hollywood executives ejaculate over that very same idea, too)


I would agree with you regarding sequels, were it not for the fact that I think Indiana Jones IV really is coming from a genuine place with good intentions. Spielberg, Lucas and Ford have all said that the Indiana Jones films were the most fun they've had in their careers, and I don't think anyone should fault them for wanting to do one more. Were it all about money, it would have been produced by now.

Indiana Jones fans on the whole are a pretty intelligent bunch, and for the most part are very far from the image that you have put forth. A lot of them really care about the series, and are very protective of it. They want to see a fourth film done right, in the spirit of the other 3. Most of them don't care how long it takes, as long as it's good. I think Spielberg, Lucas and Ford share this ideal.
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#153947
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What the Hell is Going on in France?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153947/action/topic#153947
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The situation in France is very similar to what happened in New Orleans. Classism and poverty have stretched the lower end of the spectrum to its breaking point. Whether it is a hurricane or the electrocution of two kids dumb enough to hide in a substation is irrelevant. Using New Orleans as a metaphor, when the levees of social justice are strained, just the right pressure is all that's needed to break them and flood the city with violence and unrest.


Similar in the end result, perhaps, but not in how it came about.

It is my understanding that these two kids were Muslim, who as a religious group were essentially invited into the country through lax immigartion policy, and then not given the tools and opportunities to create a better life for themselves. They wound up marginalized as a group and then civil unrest began to set it.

A lot of these rioters were just looking for a reason to go off, and it came in the form of two stupid, stupid kids. It's a shame.
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#153943
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Help: looking for... The Missing 'Raiders of The Lost Ark' Scene...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153943/action/topic#153943
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Maybe it was in a TV version? Or a comic book, or script? Or, just a Cinematic Urban Legend (a phrase which I just coined)


Yep - it's a good 'ol CUI.

I first heard of this rumoured scene about 8 years ago when reading message boards. From that point it's just kind of gathered steam.

I've read the final draft of 'Raiders' which still included the Nazi with the robotic arm, but there is no hint of a scene with the burning crate at the end.

I think this could come from school yard talk, you know, those kids that swear they saw it just because they imagined or dreamt it.

It wouldn't make any sense in context, besides. The whole point of the last scene is that the Ark is added to the warehouse, where there are literally tens-of-thousands of mysterious artifacts and dangeous items. The Ark is just one more of them, and, as Indy says, the fools "Don't know what they've got there."
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#153940
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Return of the Jedi + Revenge of the Sith = one amazing movie!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153940/action/topic#153940
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
I was half-expecting Lucas to give some cop-out excuse for why he made this decision, but he avoided it.


Flip, flop, flip, flop.

Honestly, do all of you plot hole people need everything spelled out for you?

Take a little bit on faith for God's sake. Use a little imagination for a change instead of wanting everything spoon fed to you.
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#153826
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Watching in order 1-6 is screwing up the original SW for newcomers!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153826/action/topic#153826
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How anyone could not have thought Palpatine & Sidious were one and the same is beyond me.

Lucas spelled it out so blatantly.

Qui-Gon's funeral, Yoda says "Always two there are, a Master and an Apprentice" and it cut to a medium close up of Palpatine.

It couldn't have been more obvious if there was a freeze frame with the flashing words "HE'S THE EMPEROR!"

Same thing goes (off topic) for the 6th Sense - it was so plainly obvious that Bruce Willis was dead from the get-go, but I digress....
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#153825
Topic
Help: looking for... The Missing 'Raiders of The Lost Ark' Scene...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153825/action/topic#153825
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Oh, for the love of Christ can we please lay off the Lucas bashing for one fucking day?!?!

It's so fucking old already - enough!

Indy IV hasn't happened yet for several reasons, the least of which is scheduling and the fact that Frank Darabont turned in a shit script. Yes, Lucas was busy. He was making THREE FUCKING MOVIES and so was Spielberg! I don't see anyone blaming him! But just because Lucas made a less than satisfactory (to some) addition to the beloved Holy-Fucking-Trinity of films, fanboys lash out at him.

I got news for you friendly! Lucas' bowel movements are 10 times as creative as you wankers will ever be!

Get over yourselves already.
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#153777
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Idea & found on ebay: 16mm film SCOPE Star Wars RETURN of THE JEDI MINT LPP
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153777/action/topic#153777
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At my old film school I was helping to "renovate" and came across an entire library of 16mm prints they wanted to dispose of.

I'm talking 'Gone With the Wind,' 'Citizen Kane,' 'It's A Wonderful Life,' etc...

When I pointed it out to one of the professors that the school wanted these turfed, he found a vault somewhere to preserve them. Stupid me, I should have nicked them.

My point is that these things are out there somewhere - there has to be a print of the original cut of Star Wars on 16mm or even 35mm in some storage room.
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#153696
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Idea & found on ebay: 16mm film SCOPE Star Wars RETURN of THE JEDI MINT LPP
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153696/action/topic#153696
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I find it interesting that on a preservation board so many projects are devoted to 'cleaning up' the Star Wars Trilogy and getting the original cuts as close to today's AV standards as possible.

I would love to see a print like this turned into a straight DVD - no altering or processing. It would be so cool to see the film again as it was in 1983...