TheCassidy

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Post: #218413
Topic: Info & Help: Looking for... Raiders Of The Lost Ark - on HDTV
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/218413/action/topic#218413
Time: 14-Jun-2006 12:11 AM

I have digitally altered this post to remove offensive comments. Sorry!

Post: #218272
Topic: Info & Help: Looking for... Raiders Of The Lost Ark - on HDTV
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/218272/action/topic#218272
Time: 13-Jun-2006 4:34 PM

DFNYC:

Please respect the opinion of those that would like a version of Raiders that hasn't been retouched by ILM and Lowry, as I would never dream of asking you to like it.

Thanks for understanding.

Post: #218236
Topic: Info & Help: Looking for... Raiders Of The Lost Ark - on HDTV
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/218236/action/topic#218236
Time: 13-Jun-2006 2:23 PM

To be honest with all of you, the version I downloaded looks really, really nice, but that's about it.

There are some really annoying cuts that conformed to the TV version. Here's what is bad about it:

Removal of frames from Hovito chase scene - no native ass!

Horrid cuts to commercials "boxes" some shots, particularly the establishing shot of the Raven's Nest bar.

Offensive words changed, interestingly though, upon the Nazi's arrival on the Bantu Wind, Indy originally says "Holy shit." In this version he says "Oh my God," unlike the mid 80's TV version where he said "Holy smokes."

Dirt and scratches visible on the transfer - mind you, I like this but I know most of you won't.

Here's what is good about it:

If someone were to take the time and effort, this could easily become the best looking version of Raiders.

None of the violence is cut, unlike the native ass, which is weird.

The commercial cuts last only a few frames on either side of the cut, simply put - it is salvageable if one were to cut in frames from a similar source at the correct resolution.

As I said before, this aired in 2002 so none of the digital clean-ups are present.

Wonder if anyone would be willing to take this on...?

Post: #218194
Topic: Tim Hildebrandt Has Passed Away...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/218194/action/topic#218194
Time: 13-Jun-2006 11:03 AM

I know I wasn't going to talk Star Wars anymore, and have been hanging out in the "other" preservation forum, but I thought this was important to share.

One of the Brothers Hildebrandt, Tim, has passed away on June 11th from complications due to diabetes.

Many of you will instantly recognize the name of one of the creators of the iconic Star Wars poster which hung in many of our bedrooms in the 70's and 80's, and others will recognize the man from his art - which has been used in countless DVD replacement covers by many here.

At any rate, an important figure in the Star Wars mythos is gone but not forgotten...

Edit - TFN is spewing their typical "one with the Force" crap, so for a more fitting tribute, which is where I learned of the news, go here:

Tribute @ Posterwire

Post: #217439
Topic: Info & Help: Looking for... Raiders Of The Lost Ark - on HDTV
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/217439/action/topic#217439
Time: 9-Jun-2006 7:41 AM

Won't know exactly until the download is completely done. It's at 81% now after a few days....I will definately report in on it though, once it's done.

Post: #217361
Topic: Info & Help: Looking for... Raiders Of The Lost Ark - on HDTV
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/217361/action/topic#217361
Time: 8-Jun-2006 11:54 PM

OK, I checked out a bit more. Just to be clear, here's what I noticed that is different.

-The swearing is either replaced by an overdub, or muted. Instead of Indy telling Belloq, "Son of a bitch," the word "bitch" is gone, just implied, as is the aforementioned "God damned partner" line by Marion.
-The effects and gaffes are all consistent with a pre-2003 DVD version.
-The violence is still...uh...violent. Yes, the German Mechanice blood splatter is still present.

So, as near as I can tell with an incomplete download, the only thing different from the DVD is the swearing, the 2.0 sound, and the occasional break for commercials. Hopefully they aren;t too jarring or have too many frames cut so it can be all edited together.

It looks absolutely gorgeous, though. The film grain is present, so it has a real vintage 1981 35mm look to it, but with HD clarity if that makes any sense at all...

Post: #217356
Topic: Info & Help: Looking for... Raiders Of The Lost Ark - on HDTV
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/217356/action/topic#217356
Time: 8-Jun-2006 11:41 PM

Some new info regarding 'Raiders.'

I can confirm that it is the US television edit, pre-2003 DVD remastering. So, in effect, it is a little bit different than the official release.

For example, after the Raven Bar fight scene, Marion says "I'm your NEW DAMN partner," as opposed to "God Damned partner" in the theatrical cut. This is consistent with the TV cut which featured much of the swearing removed (including German) and replaced by an alternate "clean" track.

Honestly, I'm a little bit dissappointed because despite the fact that this look brilliant, there are cuts for commercials and the edit conforms to TV.

The good news is that the ABC watermark logo isn't burned in like the 720p version, and the matte lines, boulder guide tracks and other "gaffes" are visible. So, in essence, this is close to the theatrical version with no digital alterations, but it is edited for TV.

I'm not sure if there is any of the violence removed, I seem to remember the Flying Wing sequence edited in the 80's TV version with the blood splatter gone after the German Mechanic gets hit by the prop. We'll see once the whole file is downloaded and I'll report back in with all of the changes.

I guess this qualifies for a fan preservation after all, eh?

Post: #217086
Topic: Info & Help: Looking for... Raiders Of The Lost Ark - on HDTV
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/217086/action/topic#217086
Time: 8-Jun-2006 12:09 AM

Well, I've been downloading the 1080i version for 26 hours now and I'm 48.9% done. This mother is huge but I'll be damned if I'm going to miss out on it.

Also, I want to be very clear in this thread - I never once postulated that it would be released as a DVD, I just figured like-minded folks here would either know something about it, or want it for themselves.

Thank you, Jay, for being the voice of reason yet again - and apologies to anyone who mistook my original intent.

Post: #216787
Topic: Info & Help: Looking for... Raiders Of The Lost Ark - on HDTV
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/216787/action/topic#216787
Time: 7-Jun-2006 12:31 AM

Originally posted by: boris

Originally posted by: TheCassidy
Well, it started as a request to see if anyone had a copy of it. Deal.

I feel better already. ... and I still agree with TR47. Though I don't know what asian film he's talking about... how old are you Cassidy?

It's not the years...it's the mileage.

Look, I wasn't trying to start something if that's what you're implying. I'm old enough to have seen 'Raiders' a dozen times or so during its' original release, and I was more than a little upset that Lucas couldn't keep his damned infernal tinkering paws off of it when it was released on DVD.

This has come up here before, and I have no desire to rehash or start a flame war, but suffice to say I want an unaltered version of 'Raiders' with warts and all. If this doesn't fall under the purvue of this site, than so be it. I saw no harm in asking if anyone had this, or had seen it.

Post: #216759
Topic: Info & Help: Looking for... Raiders Of The Lost Ark - on HDTV
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/216759/action/topic#216759
Time: 6-Jun-2006 11:53 PM

Well, it started as a request to see if anyone had a copy of it. Deal.

Post: #216721
Topic: Info & Help: Looking for... Raiders Of The Lost Ark - on HDTV
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/216721/action/topic#216721
Time: 6-Jun-2006 10:04 PM

Well, the Indiana Jones part was only added to the Raiders title when the accursed YIJC television series was released - part of Lucas' cohesiveness obsession.

The actual film was not changed, the titles remain as they were in 1981, rather the packaging was altered on VHS (?) and DVD.

There is probably nothing to make it a candidate for a fan preservation project, unless it turns out that the snake reflection, boulder guide track etc... are still there. The content of the film, edit, picture, sound etc. are still as they always were in the 2003 DVD's, but since this broadcast predates the DVD, it may have none of the digital enhancements levied for the release - in which case, would make a dandy hi-def 25th Anniversary theatrical preservation project. Or I could be splitting hairs...I just want to see this thing.

Post: #216671
Topic: Info & Help: Looking for... Raiders Of The Lost Ark - on HDTV
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/216671/action/topic#216671
Time: 6-Jun-2006 5:45 PM

Originally posted by: TR47
As cool as this is, and as much as I'd like to have a DVD version of it, why is this even allowed? I don't understand why a higher res version of a widely available commercial release is ok, and an original cut of an asian film that is difficult to obtain is not?

Yes, you're right in theory. I guess you culd argue that if it is free of the alterations (although) minimal, that Lowry & ILM made to Raiders, that this constitutes a "different" version. I know it's a fine line, though...

Post: #216593
Topic: Info & Help: Looking for... Raiders Of The Lost Ark - on HDTV
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/216593/action/topic#216593
Time: 6-Jun-2006 8:35 AM

That's it. That's the one. Thanks guys.

Now, not really sure what to do with this once DL is complete, but it's awesome looking.

Something interesting about it though, is that it was aired pre-DVD, so I'm assuming it doesn't have any of the enhancements Lowry Digital & ILM did to it. Also, the soundmix is 2.0.

Can you imagine this thing with the theatrical mix (reportedly identical to current DVD mix) with a picture of this quality, without the digital cleanups. Mana from heaven, I tells you.

Post: #216443
Topic: Info & Help: Looking for... Raiders Of The Lost Ark - on HDTV
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/216443/action/topic#216443
Time: 5-Jun-2006 8:40 PM — Edited 14-Jul-2020 12:01 PM

Apparently Raiders aired once on Paramount’s HDTV channel, and, as the screen grab below attests to, it looks stunning and well above the resolution of the standard DVD release.

Does anyone have this? Supposedly it was floating around on Usenet.

Screenshot

Post: #211305
Topic: Finally Burned Out On Star Wars...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211305/action/topic#211305
Time: 19-May-2006 12:17 AM

Hey guys - it's been a long time coming, but I think I'm done with all things Star Wars for a while.

I've been thinking about it for a while now, and I have come to the conclusion that it's time for me to put Star Wars to bed. I've spent 29 years of my life watching, collecting and talking about Star Wars - with really nothing to show for it.

I'm sure I will end up buying the DVD's in September in spite of myself, but I think I need to spend more time on the things that really matter instead of devoting so much time to a largely unrewarding allegiance to a fictional film series.

I loved the films when I was a kid, but I'm not a kid anymore so there really is no point. I don't get excited about Star Wars anymore, and am left with a bittersweet taste in my mouth when I think about Star Wars.

At any rate, I have a new Jedi coming into the world in the next month and perhaps someday will relive the youthful excitement that Star Wars gave me through my children, but for now, goodbye.

Thanks everyone for the good times and good conversation. I wish you all the best of luck in your future endeavours.

Cheers,
Cassidy

Post: #211212
Topic: New DVDs NOT 16x9
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211212/action/topic#211212
Time: 18-May-2006 7:22 PM

Originally posted by: JediRandy

Originally posted by: Hal 9000
I'm not sure what you wish to accomplish here, aside from "stirring up trouble."

Why hasn't Zion banned this guy yet?

For what? Not agreeing with you?

Meanwhile, people are telling me to give BJ's to George Lucas, but that's fine because he like the OOT better than the SE.

Must have hit him pretty close to the Mark to get him all riled up like that.

Seriously dude, what is your deal?

Post: #211200
Topic: Should Lucus make 4,5 and 6 over?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211200/action/topic#211200
Time: 18-May-2006 7:05 PM

CASE VERY FAR FROM CLOSED!

Remaking Star Wars is just about as dumb an idea as remaking 'Psycho' shot for shot.

Post: #211141
Topic: Should Lucus make 4,5 and 6 over?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211141/action/topic#211141
Time: 18-May-2006 4:25 PM

Originally posted by: Je
You can't call the bullshit SE editions a make over. III is much better than IV went IV should be better than III. Listen up, leave the story of IV the same just change little thing like obi not recognizing the droids, him telling luke that his father wanted him to have his lightsaber, and the WEAK ASS battle of vader & obi. V story really doesn't need to be changed just maybe little parts like luke getting tongued by his sister and the vader fight. How did luke even put up a fight in V with vader and he just learned about the force. In II anakin learned the force for 10 years and didn't even put up a fight with the count. In III anakin took on all of these jedi in the temple and won (one scene they show him fighting three at one time). So how in the hell did weak as luke even get a hit off. It kind of made vader look weak. VI story is good but the part I have a problem is obi saying he found anakin and took it upon HIMself to train anakin. That part really needs to change because it makes obi look like a liar. Its so much they can do to make IV,V and VI better by making them over instead of fucking with the originals but I would rather them fuck with the originals if they don't make them over. (to many errors in IV,V and VI)

-Obi-Wan doesn't "remember" the Droids because he is covering up. Obi-Wan's words say one thing, but his face says another.
-Obi-Wan told Luke that his Father wanted him to have his lightsaber because it was less painful than the truth, and a convenient plot device to get Luke a lightsaber.
-What do you want? Obi-Wan doing backflips when he's like, 80 years old? The Jedi/Sith are aging and less powerful than they were during I-III. No leap of faith there.
-Luke never got tongued by Leia you over-exaggerator you - it was a kiss on the mouth, but moreso to make Han jealous. Mission accomplished.
-Luke beat Vader in V because he gave in to his anger for a brief moment, and then retracted his feelings when he saw that he was becoming just like his Father. If you want visual proof look at the cut - close up of Vader's severed hand, close up of Luke's. Pretty compelling, no?
-Obi-Wan isn't a liar to claim that he tried to train Anakin. He promised Qui-Gon he would continue Ani's training and he did. Just because it wasn't shown in any of the films doesn't mean it didn't happen. The dialogue and forced chemistry between Obi-Wan and Anakin is supposed to convey the Master-Student/Friend relationship.
-What you call errors, I call depth.

Post: #211132
Topic: New DVDs NOT 16x9
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211132/action/topic#211132
Time: 18-May-2006 4:12 PM

Okay, let's try this again, Randy. Why? Partially because I'm curious as to what you think, and second because I like to keep the peace. I'm Canadian. Sue me.

Here's what I wrote on the last page...

...the feelings and emotions that we've all had for the original theatrical editions of Star Wars
are in fact ours, and you can't take that away from anyone, much less criticize their desire to hold on to it.

You like the SE's, which is fine. I just question your motives. Why come to a site dedicated to preserving the original Star Wars films and make a little over 20 posts which oppose everything this site and its' members stand for?

Post: #211125
Topic: New DVDs NOT 16x9
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211125/action/topic#211125
Time: 18-May-2006 4:05 PM

Originally posted by: JediRandy

Originally posted by: TheCassidy
Well, what of it, Randy?

I came here to stir shit up... mission accomplished.

Go bitch some more about aspect ratios, Ewok song and whatever else is the flavor of the day.

See ya.

LOL - I tried to appeal to your intellectual sensibilites and that's what you come back with?

Say hi to Rick McCallum when you crawl back under Lucas' desk.

Post: #211114
Topic: New DVDs NOT 16x9
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211114/action/topic#211114
Time: 18-May-2006 3:50 PM

Well, what of it, Randy?

Post: #211108
Topic: New DVDs NOT 16x9
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211108/action/topic#211108
Time: 18-May-2006 3:40 PM

This logic that SW is somehow partially yours is bogus and dead wrong. But people don't seem to understand that.

No, but the feelings and emotions that we've all had for the original theatrical editions of Star Wars
are in fact ours, and you can't take that away from anyone, much less criticize their desire to hold on to it.

You like the SE's, which is fine. I just question your motives. Why come to a site dedicated to preserving the original Star Wars films and make a little over 20 posts which oppose everything this site and its' members stand for?

Post: #211030
Topic: Should Lucus make 4,5 and 6 over?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211030/action/topic#211030
Time: 18-May-2006 1:04 PM

Originally posted by: Je
I think he should make them over.

He pretty much fucking did already dude.

Post: #210603
Topic: ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/210603/action/topic#210603
Time: 17-May-2006 6:19 PM

Fuck it - give us the pan & scan trilogy considering that's what most of us grew up watching anyway. Least they can't fuck up something that already sucks.

EDIT - I just read what the 'Bits wrote and it is full of choice words like "probably" and other uncertainties. What is their elusive source that has confirmed this?

I still want me some pan and scan then...

Post: #210409
Topic: ITS HAPPENED-- OOT AVAILABLE FROM LUCASFILM
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/210409/action/topic#210409
Time: 17-May-2006 10:39 AM

Notice how the spines are gold, like the Prequels, instead of silver?

Star Wars looks okay, but these are such a hack job...I don't know, maybe I could get a job as a graphics designer at LFL because I can notice at least 5 things wrong with each cover from a design standpoint.

Star Wars
Tarkin is so damn blue that he blends in. (I know he was on the original poster, but not that bad)
The shot they chose for Leia is undynamic - it looks like she's posing with the blaster, not firing it.
Chewie has that "wait, where am I now?" look, which, I believe is a promo shot from Empire.
The Luke and Han shots aren't even from the film, take a look at their haircuts - this is small, but it bugs me.
WTF is that coming out of the end of Luke's blaster?
The big blue Photoshop glow...ugh. It's used to cover up bad work, like erase lines.

Empire
Vader looks like he's about to swat a Snow Speeder off of Han's shoulder
There's nothing interesting going on, on the cover.
The character shots they chose makes them all look bored. What are they all looking at?
Again, the purple flare around everyone is amateur.
If this was trying to re-create a poster, I don't know which one.
Although the Luke head shot is larger, the Han shot pops out more, leading the casual viewer to assume that this is Han's story, which it clearly is not.

Jedi
Look at all that empty space.
Although it does try to re-create the poster, the Leia slave girl shot is sort of out of place.
The cover is unbalanced - if you draw a line diagonally from top right to bottom left, the upper left portion is sparse and doesn;t have anything visually to balance the "shot" out.
What's Wicket doing between Han's legs?

Anyway, I'm being nitpicky, but these covers are quick, amateurish, and trust me, the artisans here have done way better.