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#209990
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What are you going to do with your SE discs?
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Originally posted by: JediRandy
Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Originally posted by: JediRandy
Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
You have a decent idea about donating to charity, but I'd tend to agree more with what THX said. I'd rather buy two sets and donate one of the original movies to children.


So give GL, a guy most folks in here dislike.... more money. The hypocracy is amazing.

Complain that GL sucks too much money out of the fans.... "he makes us buy....etc" but then turn around and give him twice as much money all so that you can mail your old set to him... and that way, the next time fans start a petition to give to LFL, they'll remember when those same "fans" from the biggest petition of all, got what they wanted and then turned around acted like babies.

Smooth move.


First of all, I went out of my way to admit that your idea had some merit to it. Second of all, in case you hadn't noticed, our "plan" is not to boycott Lucas. Whether his attitude is there or not, he is technically giving us what we want, and we want the originals to be popular, so, yeah, we will be shelling our money out. I'm not sure how buying these DVDs is going to prove that we're acting like babies. Aren't we doing exactly what he wants us to do? Can you think of a better way that we can help George out with his little science experiment over which version is preferred?

And third, and most importantly, you're a dick! You call us hypocritical, yet you're the one here consistently whining, which is what you're complaining that we're doing. Why the hell are you here in the first place? What are you trying to prove? I'd love to know. And if you choose to respond, you'd better keep a civil tongue, you prat. If you've actually come with some purpose and a legitimate opinion, then I will be forced to respect it. But if you're just here to whine and complain, like you seem to think is all we do, then allow me to show you the door!


You call me a "dick" and then tell me that I'd better keep a civil tongue? I guess hypocracy runs deeper than I thought in here. I've been here many, many times, but I never registered. I just like reading what folks were saying about not having the OOT. I came back after the announcement just too see if folks could still be pissed off and whaddaya know? You're still pissed. I get flamed for suggesting you give your SE DVD's to charity instead of mailing them to GL in a fanboy huff..... here's a newsflash folks.... GL doesn't open the mail at the Ranch.

Actually, please mail you SE discs back and then start another petition when you want the OOT on Hi-Def or Blu-ray...... see how far that petition gets you. Grow up.


Fuck sakes Lucas - what took you so long to register here?
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#209505
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Lucas talks about the Sept 12th Release of the O-OT
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I'm starting to feel sorry for him. He's completely clueless. He's like Michael Jackson without the paedophilia.

I propose a new petition that we can all sign. It says this:

****************

Dear George Lucas:

The Star Wars Fan giveth, and the Star Wars Fan taketh away.

Signed,

XXXX

****************

Maybe he can look around at everything that our money built for him between 1977 and 1997 when Star Wars went to hell, and realize that he owes us all a debt of gratitude and a bit of respect.
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#209159
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Uh Oh! Here we go again? on Hyperspace
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Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
The "Hyperspace Exclusive" is this photo which was found on-line in this article.

Neil


Woo hoo. That was worth $60 a year for.

You know what? I honestly think George Lucas' involvement with Star Wars doesn't extend beyond the films very much. I'm starting to think that Lucasfilm, like any corporation, is full of greedy little sychophants obsessed with making as much money off of Star Wars before the well dries up.

Does Lucas lay awake at night wondering if he should release the O-OT on DVD? Probably.

Does Lucas lay awake at night wondering if he could get people to pay money to see a crappy Star Wars painting? Hells no.
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#208640
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Uh Oh! Here we go again? on Hyperspace
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Personally I revoked my membership to Hyperspace before EPIII, because if there was any news worth reporting, you saw it first elsewhere.

I think they really dropped the ball on Hyperspace. It costs way too much for what you get out of it. I'm in Canada, and the membership discount on merchandise is neglibible with the massive shipping rates.

To be honest, and this hurts, if the DVD's in September aren't screwed up, I'm content to move on with life and forget everything about Star Wars except for the O-OT as films. Not all this other stuff.
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#208622
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Original Trilogy DVD FAQ (Unofficial)
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Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
Originally posted by: TheCassidy
The quality was further diminished on Laserdisc due to Lucasfilm's THX process, which tends to soften out an image and wash out the color.

That's not correct at all. THX isn't a process. It's a "Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval", meaning that the final product accurately copies the original master.

Neil


Thanks Neil - noted and corrected. I'm not sure where I read that, there's so much schtuff flying around these days that it's hard to disseminate the facts!

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#207611
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Original Trilogy DVD FAQ (Unofficial)
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There seems to be a lot of information and mis-information surrounding the release of the Original Star Wars Trilogy on DVD in September. Many threads on this Forum have useful information, and my goal here is to compile all of it into one handy reference thread, free of debate and controversy - just the facts.

What Is This Release?

Lucasfilm plans on releasing "the original theatrical incarnations" of the Star Wars trilogy on September 12th, 2006. Little is Officially known at this point, apart from the Press Release issued on May 4th, 2006. The Press Release has changed over the last few days for unknown reasons, but currently has written some edited out information back in. (See details below)

What Makes These Editions The Original Theatrical Incarnations?

Essentially the DVD's will contain each of the films, Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, & Return Of The Jedi as they were in their theatrical EDIT form, which differs from both the 1997 Special Editions, and 2004 DVD Box Set.


Wait A Minute - There Are MANY Different Versions Of The Theatrical Runs!

This is true. Star Wars has experienced many changes through the years, including several different sound mixes, Special Effects revamps and Digitally Remastering. We know little at this point except that the film edits will be from 1977, 1980 and 1983. The first film in the series (Star Wars) is reportedly being issued with the pre-Episode IV: A New Hope title crawl, as it was in 1977 before the subsequent re-release.

According to the Official press release each film will be in Dolby 2.0 Surround Sound, released in a two-disc set, coupled with the 2004 DVD release which many already have. While you are getting the O-OT, you should be aware of this.

The different soundmixes are explored in many threads on this Forum, and the above link is a good starting point. At this point we just don't know if Star Wars will feature the original 1977 Dolby Sound Mix or any of the post-1985 remixes.

From Where Did Lucasfilm Source These New DVD's?

Currently this is the hot-button debate of the hour. Until we have concrete evidence all is conjecture.

In an article from May 4th, 2006 in USA Today Lucasfilm's Jim Ward stated that the picture quality will not be up to 2006 standards, but "state of the art, as of 1993." This has led many Forum Members to believe that the DVD's will feature the 1993 Laserdisc Transfers of the Trilogy that were used to make various officiallaserdisc sets and subsequent fan preservation projects - however, debate on the Forums has revealed the following:

    In 1993 the original negatives of the films were preserved and restored for work on the 1997 SE's.
      No one knows if this is just a straight transfer to DVD from the masters made for Laserdisc. Ward's cryptic comments are open to interpretation which has polarized fans.

      Having said all of this, an interesting post appeared on Millennium Falcon by Darth First, who if you aren't familiar with, has proven very reliable and accurate in the past with insider scoops. He claims that the 1993 masters are not being used at all, but rather an extensive restoration process is underway at Lucasfilm to present the O-OT in the quality that is "expected from Lucasfilm" releases. Additionally, a Forum Member of originaltrilogy.com claims to have a friend that works in a film lab and has washed the negatives of the original cut recently.

      Why Bother? Are These Going To Be Laserdisc Quality?

      No! Even is the DVD's are sourced from the Laserdisc Masters, this doesn't mean Lucasfilm simply transferred a Laserdisc to DVD. The Masters used for the Laserdiscs would look substantially better on DVD. It is important to note again, that at this point we only have a few cryptic clues as to where the discs are sourced from.

      At this point, we can assume that the films won't look as vibrant and polished (for better or for worse) as their 2004 DVD incarnations, leading many to hopefully speculate that they are untouched. Given Lucas' reputation, many are waiting with bated breath.

      Where can I find articles in the mainstream media about this release?

      This was big news in the media, to be sure. After years of petioning Lucasfilm everywhere from (of course) the massive collection of signatures to actually asking the man himself directly at conventions, we finally made a break through. It is no wonder this story was picked up. Thanks to several Forum members for the leads on these stories, which are now linked here:

      USA Today - May 4th, 2006

      Baltimore Sun - May 5th, 2006

      Zap 2 It - May 4th, 2006

      Yahoo News (Criticizes Lucasfilm Gouging Fans)

      Waiting On Bothan Spies To Produce More Info...

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      #207546
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      Finally At Peace With Star Wars...
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      Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
      Can someone who has been raped be "un-raped?" That is now the ultimate question for all those who said "Lucas raped my childhood." Maybe we're just making peace with our rapist.


      I know what you mean. That term always bothered me, and I used to go out of my way to argue against the use of it.

      With a couple of days to digest the news and observe the reactions on this board, I've come to realize that Star Wars is such a wholly personal experience for so many that you'll never make them all happy. Regardless of what Lucas does to the feanchise, for better or for worse, people won't be content until they get their ideal version of the films.

      This release is ideal enough for me. I can understand the reaction even if I don't agree with it - a good deal of Star Wars fans have felt betrayed and the community is far more polarized now than it ever was.

      When it comes down to it though, I'm happy. Am I a little bit let down that perhaps the 2006 DVD release won't be exactly as it was in 1977...maybe a little, but these are still the versions I grew up with so it's good enough for me. I don't remember which sound mix I saw in 1977 in the theatre, or if Aunt Beru's voice was different...I was 4 years old. I

      Having said that, I think I understand the younger folks who grew up with the Special Editions a little bit more now...
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      #207181
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      The Official 2006 Discs Will Be No Better Than What We Have!
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      Originally posted by: ripa
      Originally posted by: eros
      What's the big issue with it being anamorphic anyway? I thought we were all moving towards digital display technology eventually, so number of lines on CRT would no longer be an issue and we would be talking in pixel numbers.


      An anamorphic transfer has more resolution (less pixels wasted on black bars) no matter what display device you're watching it on. You've probably misunderstood what an anamorphic transfer is since you're talking about the number of lines on CRT displays. A non-anamorphic 16:9 movie in NTSC format has 720*360=259,200 pixels for the actual content (the rest is wasted in the black bars). An anamorphic transfer has 720*480=345,600 pixels dedicated to the picture. That's a 33% increase.

      That said, I can't wait for these to be released in high definition: 500% increase in resolution!


      And yet some people won't be satisfied with a movie shot on film and released 1977 until they can smell Walrusman's ass sweat...

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      #207117
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      The Official 2006 Discs Will Be No Better Than What We Have!
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      Everyone seems so caught up in the fucking technical details that they're overlooking one thing.

      For years Star Wars wasn't about digital this and digital that, anamorphic this and 16X9 that.

      It was about the story, characters, emotions and fun! Fuck - remember when Star Wars was fun?

      Now we're getting as close to the beloved version officially as we're likely to get and we're arguing over tech details?

      Fuck it - if you love the technical shit so much, piss off and watch the 2004 version...
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      #206276
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      The Official 2006 Discs Will Be No Better Than What We Have!
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      I think cooler heads should prevail here and reserve judgement until these are actually seen or at least until we have more information.

      EDIT - It's occurred to me that everyone has seen the 1993 version that was released on laserdisc, but no one has seen what the same transfer, directly from that master, will look like on DVD.

      In other words - even if it's the same transfer it's going to look a hell of a lot better than any laserdisc that has been used as a source for fan preservations.
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      #206056
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      ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
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      Originally posted by: Doctor M
      _Pop quiz_
      You are George Lucas.
      You are making a Star Wars release you swore didn't exist, couldn't exists, and over your dead body would never be seen again...
      You are releasing it ONE YEAR before the 30th Anniversary.
      It is the cusp of kick ass HD/BluRay DVD's that are star-aligned with everything your THX company stands for.

      Do you:

      A) Work hard digging through the archives like a truffle pig, spend a fortune in time and man power reassembling elements, make a DVD-only release for 4 months and then bury it knowing you did right by the fan community.

      =or=

      B) Make a hi definition transfer, copy it to standard definition DVDs. Jack the price up by bundling it with the '04 DVDs (that everyone already owns). Shove it out the door to all the fanboys. THEN re-release it as part of a 30th Anniversary Uber-HiRay-BluDefinition-HologramArt-GoldLeafEncrusted-BreakYourBookCase Boxset (with one additional DVD of extras)?

      What do you do?


      I grab my giant belly and chortle at the countless fans who claim to have been kicked in the nuts but contiune to plunk down those hard earned Burger King bucks on Star Wars, then I re-release them theatrically as they were for the first time in 30 years.

      And then I watch the money roll in and buy me some sweet ass Rodian hookers.
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      #206043
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      Finally At Peace With Star Wars...
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      Really weird...but now that the Original Trilogy is being officially releases as I loved and remembered it, I am suddenly finding myself (strangely) at peace with Star Wars.

      I think it's weird...but I will now be able to separate the "Saga" from the "Trilogy," and enjoy them both on different levels. Sure, I've got various fan preservations, but it just wasn't the same as having official copies.

      Maybe it has something to do with Lucas finally acknowledging the fan base that really wanted this to happen...he should be grateful his movies have fans that are willing to hang in there for the long haul.

      Not to sound to sentimental or anything...
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      #206032
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      ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
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      Originally posted by: Skyranger
      My wish list to make it perfect.

      All original release soundtrack versions... (for Star Wars)
      Dolby 6 Track (as Dolby Digital 4.1, or 5.1 as appropriate),
      Dolby Stereo (as Dolby 2.0 surround)---This is being included,
      Mono (as Dolby Digital 1.0)
      (These were all different in some details, such as the voice for Aunt Beru being supplied by a different actress. I think these may have had differences in The Empire Strikes Back as well.)

      Release on Blu-ray.



      Well...the discs that have the originals on them are 2.0, according to the press release. I doubt they will be exactly as they appeared in 77/80/83.

      But if the transfer is decent, hell, pretty good source to base a fan preservation off of, no?
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      #206012
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      ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
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      Originally posted by: Doctor M
      Only available for 4 months? Only $1999.95 per box set...

      Anyone buying this limited release crap? Anyone going to take a chance that it's not true?
      It sounds a bit like other "Limited Editions" of this sort. It's limited as a 2 disc set of the 2004/OT but will probably be widely available later as a 1 disc OT only.

      Sigh, so now we can all retire, unsubscribe and find a new hobby. If this is really real, what does it mean for stuff like the X0 Project?

      One caveat: "We returned to the Lucasfilm Archives to search exhaustively for source material that could be presented on DVD."- Jim Ward

      Sounds a bit like they are rebuilding this from pieces, that can't be good.


      Don't worry M. That twat Ward spins hyperbole like Spidey spins his web. This "archive" speech is hauled out of mothballs everytime a new project comes out, it's just to get the fanboys hard.
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      #202818
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      ***The ADigitalMan non-Star Wars DVD Info and Feedback Thread***
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      If you want your own copy, then I'm pretty sure Amazon Canada would deliver to you. Same goes for the UK where the title is "Philosophers."

      There is a definate difference between the US & Canadian/UK versions in terms of title card at the front of the film, and what the Stone is referred to throughout.

      If you want a "copy" of it, purely for research purposes, PM me

      Cheers.
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      #202787
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      ***The ADigitalMan non-Star Wars DVD Info and Feedback Thread***
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      Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
      Question for anybody with the PHILOSOPHER's Stone DVD (Especially with Canadians who have the NTSC version):
      Do the deleted scenes refer to the Philosopher's Stone as well? Particularly the Neville Leglocked scene?


      Well, I just watched it, and was reminded what a (forgive me) motherfucker it was to find the deleted scenes.

      The scene you referred to, the Neville Leglocked scene, makes no reference whatsoever to stones, Philosopher's, Sorceror's or otherwise.

      It only refers to Flamell as Dumbledore's alchemy partner.

      Hope this helps. Does the US version refer to the Stone is this scene? The Canadian one categorically does not.