TheBoost

Hey, it's me. said:

No your reading way too much into it Gaffer. There's no hidden agenda behind something being universally liked. Look at the film Gladiator. That film was liked by both men and women for entirely different reasons. That's just an example. Music is another. Explain to me how comes everyone can like music no matter who or what you are? Is music purposefully decreed so that only men like this and women like that? No it isn't is it. These things are examples. Not toys and clothes.

Music and movies aren't made that way?? I'll tell that to all the male students at the local high school that they can wear their "Bieber Fever" shirts while they go to see "Sex and the City 2." 

There's no hidden agenda. You're right. The agenda is plain to see and obvious. The film novel "Princess of Mars" was made into a movie called "John Carter" because the word "princess" would mean only girls could see it. 

"Salt" was a movie written for a male lead. When they cast Angelina Jolie and genderswapped it, they had to rewrite the ending because if a wife saved her husband, he would be too emasculated, and it would ruin the movie. 

The system of institutionalized sexism is all around, it affects both sexes, and it's not at all hard to see. 

Hey, it's me. said:

 

Men like what they like and women like what they like but i dont view that as an oppressive notion. Now obviously certain things will cross those boundaries where things can be liked by everybody. 

Warbler said:

Did you ever stop to consider the possibility that maybe there is something instinctual/hormonal/whatever  in men and women that make men more predisposed to liking things like Star Wars and make women more predisposed to liking Disney P

It's convienient that naturally girls and boys like exactly what we raise them to like, expect them to like, market to them to like, and punish them if they don't like. 

Genetics sure conveniently fits with 21st century Western cultural norms. 

My first thought is he wants to drum up web traffic. He sees his meltdown over here might be the most interesting thing he's done, and rather than be a digital Lady of Shallott weaving shadow tapestries with his own sock accounts, he wants all us lemmings to go give him attention in his own sandbox. 

Bingowings said:

My grandmother never shaved my legs.

My college girlfriend never shaved her legs. 

Gaffer Tape said:

Access to knowledge and education used to be very much "gender specific" to the deficit of women.  If we continued to maintain that "things are the way they are, we're too conditioned and ingrained, and change is scary," they still would be.

What he said. 

Gaffer Tape said:

 

I don't know.  Any Bronies on the board?  Any non-Bronies want to weigh in?  What's the deal?  What do you think?  Are Bronies sad freaks who need to figure out what it means to really be a man?  Or is this the big, mainstream beginning to tearing down gender walls in entertainment that women have long since been able to cross freely?  I'm starting to find this somewhat intriguing.

 

I remember as a little kid, I wouldn't go in the pink aisle at Toys R Us. 

The backlash against Bronies is that exact thing, from people who never outgrew it.

It's a charming show. Yeah it's for kids, but so are Looney Tunes but no oe gets backlash for liking Bugs Bunny.

Mrebo said:

Hm, okay, I'll be serious. I don't consider myself a feminist, not as the term is typically used (but I do agree with Boost on the diapering option). I'm in favor of equality of opportunity. That to me doesn't mean seeking equal results, gender neutrality, or encouraging gender non-conformity. I think, by-and-large, boys will be boys, and girls will be girls. My niece has always hated wearing things on her feet - socks, shoes, slippers, any of it. Then one day her father buys her slippers she absolutely adores. They're Darth Vader slippers. She is too young to know who that is, she just loves them. I don't see it as a feminist victory, it's just awesome.

Wait till your little niece gets to school, or is exposed to enough media to learn that Star Wars is for boys and she needs to get into princesses, bows, and dieting. 

As we have 'gender' currently defined in our culture, gender non-conformity is required for equality of opportunity. 

If you agree with me on the diapering option, you're already for gender-role non conformity. 

Yeah, cant imagine Picard in a skirt, but a one peice spandex catsuit was the height of masculinity.

Alexander the Great, Jesus Christ, Louis XVi, Henry 8th, this dude on "Star Trek."

None of them wore pants. And Louis loved high heels. 

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

TheBoost said:

Due to cultural stereotypes that limit both women's AND men's expectations, there is nowhere to change her diaper in the men's room. 

Since cultural stereotypes result in the men's facilities being inferior, and thus you as a man are made to suffer, shouldn't you become a masculist?

Not sure if serious.

What I suffered from was a trickle down effect of ladies being given limited options, culturally this also limits my options as a man.

The male dominated system has limited females into caregiving roles (FOX news has been crazy with that this week). I'm suffering a consequence of that system. I'm not suffering a female dominated system limiting my options.

A dude out with his baby not having a place to change her is the flipside of telling women to get back in the kitchen and make me a sandwhich.

adywan said:

Warbler said:

of course they don't look silly, they're women.

erm, sorry they're not. They are all men, complete with their meat and two veg still intact.

My mind=BLOWN

Very cool. Thanks

Gaffer Tape said:

That's weird.  I almost always see changing stations in the men's room.  And, barring that, there's usually a "family restroom."  But at any rate, you did the right thing.  I'm all for eliminating gender-segregated restrooms anyway.

They are often in men's rooms, but I've found plenty that don't. 

I'm not sure about eliminating them, just because I hear ladies like to talk in the bathroom, and I prefer the stoic silence when peeing.

Here's why. I'm a victim of the damn patriarchy too.

Yesterday my baby daughter blew out her pants at the pizza joint. Due to cultural stereotypes that limit both women's AND men's expectations, there is nowhere to change her diaper in the men's room. 

So I'm left with changing her on the sink counter in the men's room, or being a weirdo in the ladies room. 

I went with the ladies room. It wasn't busy, and my little angel isn't going on some dirty ass counter. 

THIS is why I consider myself a feminist. 

Bingowings said:

 

ESB had a supporting short film called Black Angel which was practically identical in tone to Excalibur. 

Didnt that get rediscovered recently? Any word on it getting released?

Anchorhead said:

Anyway, thought you folks would appreciate her brazen nerdiness in a corporate environment.  Oh, and for the record;  away from work she's also a close personal friend, so keep it clean(ish).  ;-)

thejediknighthusezni said:

     To return to RED TAILS, I suspect the reason it didn't click with a wider audience is the same as the inevitable failure of a movie called THE FIGHTING TEA PARTIERS OF IRAQ, Celebrating a small group for their particular charactteristics and viewpoints rather than simply targeting the widest possible audience for escapist entertainment.  I'm glad ANH was made in it's era and with it's pre-PC Westerns and WWII propaganda features Fantasies tropes. Maybe the ST set decades into the future of the galaxy will have a bit more space for PC pandering, but ESB, ROTJ, and the PT had too much of that beside-the-point, jar-you-out-of-the-movie nonsense as is. As I've said before, it's unavoidable for a movie to be entirely without a "message" as they involve human drama and experience and there is always some political and social aspect to that, but the goal should be to make a movie for maximum popular entertainment value and make any unavoidable political and social aspects serve that purposel rather than the other way around. There is enough material available from history and legend to build strong minority and female characters. GL managed to slip in messeges about slavery and discrimination using robots. 

As with most of your posts, I'm not quite sure what you mean, but you're totally right about how people hate heroic stories about people overcoming adversity, and God knows Americans hate heroic films about WWII. Add on a feel good ending, and I can see why no one liked it. Something something PC something. 

SilverWook said:

As there was an HBO movie about the Tuskegee Airmen made in 1995, maybe Lucas simply took too long to get his version made?

Because a 20 year old TV movie forever takes a story off the table.

Well, we need to remember this is only the first trilogy of three. 

I can't wait for the Prequal trilogy, where the Wolf Pack are in Middle School.

CP3S said:

 

LOL, big ratings boost. It isn't a live action TV show, it wouldn't be like a real celebrity guest appearance from an actor who got big and moved on from the show to do bigger things. I doubt having Ashoka make an appearance on the new show would bring any sort of boost. 

But I'd watch it. 

Mrebo said:

Well-to-do parents hire handicapped "tour guides" in order to get their kids to the front of Disney lines. I find the parents loathsome, but it's great for the handicapped people who take their money. If I were one of those tour guides, I'd be upset if the practice were stopped.

We Americans love to pretend there isn't a class system, hence the 'outrage' and shock over this. What surprises me is how subtle the rich a$$holes keep it. 

So, Angelina Jolie had a double-mastectomy. 

I admire both her courage to do that, and her bravery to talk about it. 

doubleofive said:

"Tony is a loaner, who can take care of himself. By the end he learns that he needs friends." - Tony's plot in Iron Man 1, 2, 3, Avengers

Really? In IM3 he starts in a relationship, he confides in her the mental troubles he's having first thing, he instaltly lets a cute kid work as his partner. It's only situational that he's forced to be alone much of the film (his armor sidekick is captured, he's crash landed in the snow and thought dead, but he instantly calls Pepper).

Hmmmmm.

While the logo is not my cup of tea, what gets me is that Artoo Detoo whistling isn't quite as awesome as the old fanfare. Pity.

Warbler said:

The family spent all that time fight to get Mumia executed.    If he had just be sentenced to life in prison, back in the '80s, the family could have been spared that fight and could have moved on with they lives.  

They would have been spared the fight, but they REALLY wanted him dead.