TheBoost

Monroville posted this on another thread, but I thought the pics would be good inspiration for possible visuals for the NPT 

http://www.chrisfoss.net/gallery1.htm
http://www.altanen.dk/Gallery-Main.htm

If we intend for the modern Imperial forces to resemble the Old Republican forces, these are probably not the best designs for that, but brightly painted Mandalorian pirate ships would look pretty nifty.

Monroville said:

REGARDING DARTH GREVIOUS:
regardless of changing him to a rebuilt Maul, could we at least have Obi-Wan kill him by force projecting an object into his guts, as opposed to shooting him with a gun?  Didn't Obi-Wan have a general disdain for guns anyways (ie his conversation with Han in ANH)? 

 I think Obi's disdain for guns is evident in the scene, and gives it a little humor. "How uncivilized."

Bingowings said:

If we all felt that way there wouldn't be any fan-edits and where would that lead us?

It seems bizarre to me to come onto a discussion board about fan-edits (which don't erase the originals from history) and express concern about changes to these films.

There are restoration projects out there for people who want to preserve previously issued but damaged or degraded versions of the trilogy as it is. The originals exist for those who love the films the way they are, there are milder edits for people who want a few changes here and there so why not make more radical changes if you are of the opinion that Jedi and prequels don't work in their current form? 

I don't think we need to be completely uncritical of every idea. I think the desire to make Star Wars a lil' more 'bad ass' is a desire that seems to get a little overdone sometimes, in my humble opinion, and I expressed that. I wasnt even trying to be critical of a particular idea, just the overall trend.

Bingowings said:

 

AxiaEuxine said :

Love this idea, I dont even care if it works with the rest of the movie... Maybe we should add mini skulls and things hanging off the Gungans belts too.

It does tie in with the rest of the movie already. The Ewoks are shown as being prepared to eat humans and wear and keep bones as tribal objects. Later they are seen to be a force capable of taking on defeating Imperial troops. They just lack motivation and direction to do it on a large scale, their God gives that to them so instead of picking off a few Stormtroopers here and there they can now take on an entire legion of the Emperor's best troops.

All that's changed is the tone. Instead of being funny little tribal teddy bears that eat people, they are a dangerous (all be it short) tribal race that eat people.

As for the Gungans (which are really a subject for the PT thread) adding skulls to them is changing their character.

I get your point here Bingo, but I also feel where Axia is coming from.

Ever get the feeling that a lot of fans would rather the entire movie (all six) just be packed with silent, black cloaked killing machines?

Boba Fett- He does nothing, but be silent and imply violence.  The only thing he actually accomplishes is sneaks after the Falcon, and yet he's practically worshipped. We need to edit ROTJ so that he lives, sells the Death Star plans, and hopefully kills more people.

Maul- Dressed in black, rarely spoke, killed people. He's called a 'wasted character' as if the whole PT should have been based on him.

Greivous- Would have been much better if he was black, didn't talk, and killed more people. Forget that the major plot point of Ep. III is that Grievous is always running away. It's even better if he was actually Darth Maul reincarnated. And killed more.

Ewoks- Less Ewokeese, more eating people.

Chewie- Should be shown to actually rip off peoples arms.

C3P0- Needs claws.

Palpatine- In my edit he's not Chancellor. He just walks into the Senate, kills everyone, and only has one line "I'm the Emperor now, bitches."

I gave my cousin a copy of ANH;R for Xmas.

He calls me last night and says he watched it, and honestly doesn't beleive it was an 'edit' (which was somethng he'd never heard of, not being as geeky as me). He insisted that's what Star Wars was always like.

So, thinking I was lying to him (and apparently not watching the bonus features) he rented the GOUT at the videostore, and then accused the videostore of renting "cheap bootlegs."

So Adywan, it seems you're edit is so good, it's re-writing the fabric of reality. 

Bingowings said:

Will it be a reconstruction of what they actually saw (smoke plumes up the left and right sides from the smoking seats, the sound of Crusader nuts being rattled and choc-ice headache yelps) or what they thought they saw (Ewoks capturing R2 in 1977)?

 My mom calls everything an Ewok.

Jawas- Ewoks

Tauntauns- Ewoks.

Jar Jar- Ewok

Younglings- Ewoks.

The Galactic Senate- Buncha Ewoks.

God bless her, she tries, raising three boys in the 80s with Star Wars mania.

STAR WARS: The Boost’s Parent’s First Date Edition

Time Cut: 12 min.

No menus.

Soundtrack tweaks.

Since I was a lad, I was regailed with stories about how my parents first date was to see Star Wars, in Aug 77. I always here the same description.

-They were late, and R2 was just about to be captured by Ewoks when they walked in.

-Everyone in the place cheered when the Falcon went to hyperdrive.

So as a novelty gift I’m editing the GOUT (because they said they watched it at a crummy theater) to include an animation of walking into a theater at the beginning (taken from an old video trailer) and starting at R2 in the valley. I’m adding audience noise sound effects at a few parts too, notably the first time the Falcon goes to hyperdrive.

I have no plans to make this available to the public, because for the life of me I cant imagine anyone else wanting to watch it. Just thought someone might get a kick from hearing about it.

(I suppose the one other thing would be to add the original Beru voice, but that’s just too much work, and my folks are old, they’ll never notice)

JasonN said:

TheBoost said:

JasonN said:

Judging from your comments, it seems like you are much more of a purist of the PT than I am or will ever be.... which means that you will most definitely hate these fanedits.

I think I'm more fond of (or less hate filled towards) the PT than many members of this board, but I'm very looking forward to watching your works on these. They sound bold and interesting.

 I was actually refering to AxiaEuxine's comments (not yours)

I knew who you were referring too, I was just offering that good work is good work, regardless of one's opinion of the original film.

JasonN said:

Judging from your comments, it seems like you are much more of a purist of the PT than I am or will ever be.... which means that you will most definitely hate these fanedits. :/

However, I'll try to answer a few of your questions/comments (and forgive me if some of them are rather harsh, but I can get pretty vocal over some of the story/plot elements of the PT):

Thanks for the help gang. I'm looking into those.

Someone told me that a fan produced a whole 'soundtrack' for the Star Wars Legacy comic, and it's online, but I haven't been able to find it. 

Has anyone heard of this?

doubleofive said:

BarBar Jinkx said:

adywan said:

I agree, I think some of Vaderios' mockups should be menus on the DVD.  This one, the shot of Veers standing alone, just subtle movements added or something.  It'd be awesome.

Regardless of if they get used, it would be cool to see these come to life. Maybe make the lights blink, a subtle cloud motion? An almost imperceptible ship flies by in the distance? I'd just put that on my screen and pretned it's a magic painting!

AxiaEuxine said:

I just wish someone who actually LIKED the prequels would do an edit. I would if I had the time, talent, resources, patience blah blah blah

 I think that's what Phantom Editor did. He just worked to improve the films, take out the flaws he saw in the editing, where he saw bad editing choices as harmful to the story being told, not to radically change the story.

DarkFather said:

I've never seen a Star Wars fan film that I liked.

Most fan films I've seen are bascially excuses for people to put on bad-to-mediocre lightsaber fights bookended by lousy acting. To be fair, I've seen one or two good ones.

One had Darth Maul fighting and killing to other Darth Maul types on a beach, and the plot was virtually nonexistant, but the fighting was damn good.

Also, I liked "Star Wars: Revelations." It had AMAZING production values, decent acting, sweet and original music, and a plot that wasn't half bad.

Then there are the parodies. Many are dumb, but some are tears-to-the-eyes funny. I recall "The Real World: Tatooinne" as particuarly funny.

Vaderisnothayden said:

No, the upbeat yub yub song is true to what ROTJ's ending is supposed to be. The new downbeat music amounts to an attempt to warp the ending of the movie. Which is of course what it is. It shows a lack of understanding of the movie. As does the insertion of the other planet celebration scenes just where they can break up the delicate emotional flow of the movie and the atmosphere. Finally, the Hayden addition is the purest malicious vandalism which screws up something really good.

 I agree 100%. ROTJ's ending used to be ultramegahappy. The new music is kind of somber and feels wrong to me. And random shots of planets we've never seen break the emotional ties I'm feeling to the characters.

And Hayden's insertation (even though I don't hate Hayden as much as you) is the worst SE change of them all. It's odd, looks poorly done(obviously fake, and what is UP with his facial expressions?), and thematically wrong (Anakin didn't "die" like Obi said, they were all wrong, Luke was right, Vader had always really been Anakin).

StormtroopersAreBetter said:

2. I get a bit annoyed with the emperor's voice when he says: "Oh, I'm afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive."

I can see why ROTJ is seen as the weakest of the OT, although being weakest of the OT is akin to saying someone is slightly smaller than Andre the Giant.

And I gotta say, i LOVE Palpy's voice when he says that. He sounds like such a jerk. He's not just utterly evil... he's sarcastic. I'd say that is my favorite Palpy moment in all the movies.

Vaderisnothayden said:

 You're rationalizing it. The reality is that the prequel films way overdid this sort of costume because the people making them clearly got too into making everything elaborate and opulent. It was not necessary to do that and it adds to the bullshit feel of the films.

rcb said:

come on people. its a different universe, different customs, different planets. here on earth, we have a custom to wear certain things when attending events. the cultures around the world have different ways of dressing. the SWU is full of planets with their own cultures.

Again, this is rationalizing it rather than looking at what's actually going on.

The OT clothing is reasonable science fiction clothing. The prequel clothing is pompous and pretentious. And there might be some reason for such clothing in a republic that's declining and decadent, but it's taken too far. To the point where they're clearly showing off "Look at the fancy outfits we designed for these films!"

 Why are perfectly reasonable explanations for the costumes 'rationalizing?' Is it rationalizing to think that the OT, which is peopled by rebels, farmers, and officers in the fascist navy (and Lando, the administrator of a mining operation too small for the unions to notice) would dress differently than the PT, which is filled with the most important people on the galactic political scene?

I'm also curious as to who the arbiter of 'reasonable science fiction clothing' is? Where's the benchmark? Flash Gordon? Logan's Run? The 5th Element?

If Lando's cape was ok, would it have been ok if it was embroidered? What if he had spats? What if they were dirty spats? Could he wear spats and a hat? When we he look like an idiot? Were the flashing lights on Vader's chest in ESB and ROTJ a step towards idiocy? He had a little chrome nose too. Was that too much?

You told me to go to Wookiepedia. I did. Was it Sio Bibble who looked like an idiot, in his dark blue doublet? Was Mas Amada overdressed for his job as seargent at arms for the Senate of the Entire Galaxy? Was it those tarted up Jedi in their austere robes? Dooku in his black shirt and slacks? Was the Prime Minister of Kamino overdressed? You say they all look like idiots, I'm trying to figure out who you're talking about.

mrbenja0618 said:

I would settle for good alternate scripts. Even if the movie never comes to be, i could read the new treatments, and use the old imagination. That is still leaps and bounds better than the current prequels.

 If we could make some cool scripts, it might be a hoot to make audio-dramas. The Star Wars fan-audio-drama scene is very hot.

Not discounting the possibility of making animated films (or even watchable animatics just to illustrate our story) but those are a lot of work. I'm learning animation in AfterEffects now, and its harder than pulling the ears of a gundark, and takes more labor (but is quite a bit safer).

Vaderisnothayden said:

TheBoost said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

They weren't dressed in rags but they weren't dressed to look like idiots. Why not do it that way?

 

 Who was dressed to look like an idiot? I admit Padme's Queen get-ups were a bit over the top (although IMHO not outrageously so), but seriously, who looked like an idiot? Even Jar Jar just had a vest and leather pants. 

 

There were a lot more characters than just Padme and Jar Jar. Take a look at some of the outfits worn by minor characters. And Padme did look like an idiot.

Seriously... who?? The Jedi all had uniforms. The people on Tatoinne matched the OT pretty well. The Naboo were all richly dressed, but idiots? I don't see why. Are we talking background members of the sentate? The Nemoidians? Who???? Do I need to look frame by frame to find what you find so objectionable?

This thread made me want to give some EU a try again.

Just read the first of the "Han Solo" trilogy by AC Crispin. "Paradise Snare."

Not half bad. Not exactly the origin for Han Solo I would have picked, (the robot named F8GN was a little much) but a fun read. A nice small story with a young, not yet too jaded Han. Not Earthshakingly great, but definelty not throw across the room bad.

I'm picking up the next one tommorrow.

Vaderisnothayden said:

They weren't dressed in rags but they weren't dressed to look like idiots. Why not do it that way?

 Who was dressed to look like an idiot? I admit Padme's Queen get-ups were a bit over the top (although IMHO not outrageously so), but seriously, who looked like an idiot? Even Jar Jar just had a vest and leather pants. 

ACTION SET PIECES:

Ideas for the big BANG POW moments in Episode 1.

* Monster- Ever see an Ant-lion? Horrid little bugs that dig holes in the sand, and when an ant falls in, they dig the sand out from underneath the ant, making the ant slide towards them and get eaten. How about some kind of monster like that on Tatoiine, that can be in some dangerous location that Anakin, Obi, and the gang are chased into by the baddies, and the baddies wind up eaten while the heroes escape?

* Lightsaber Duel- Obi and the Light Saber Baddie (a villian with a lightsaber, who I think should be Palpy's aprentice, even if we don't meet Palpy in Ep. 1) fight. LSB gets his saber destroyed. The fight becomes a wrestling match, grappling over possesion of the one lightsaber- pushing and pulling the blade at your opponent while trying to maintain control. Kind of a MMA fight... with a lightsaber. (I'm really trying to imagine action bits that stand out from the OT and the PT). Imagine how lethal rolling around grappling with an activated lightsaber might be!

* Space Ship Action- During the 'storming the castle' finale, Anakin actually pilots the Angle Blue (what I call his ship) INTO the capital of Alderaan. Past space fighters, past surface to air defenses, and shatters the enourmous stained glass window, landing the ship inside the cathedral-like Throne room. This would be cool to watch and establish Anakin as the best and most reckless pilot alive. It also lessons the need for a big space battle climax which might seem to deriviative of Star Wars and Jedi.

Chrille said:

There is one officer that is wrong, though, and it seems like a shame when everyone else are perfect. He appears briefly as an extra without lines in Vader's first scene. As Ozzel and Piett are argueing and Vader is making his way over to join them, the camera pans down to the trench and an officer standing looking up at Vader. He is wearing the rank insignia of a navy captain, even though Piett is captain of the ship at that time.

 (Desperate rationalization follows)

No doubt that officer is indeed a Navy Captain, hastily promoted from Captain of his own vessel to serve on Executor (the Imprial flagship) due to the power vacuum in the chain of command created by Vader's habit of strangling everyone. If I recall my boyscout days, an officer with the rank of 'Captain' serving on a ship he is not the captain of, would be addressed as 'Commodore'  (I think).

(An army or marine captain aboard a ship would be addressed as 'Major,' a rank higher than they hold, to avoid confusion with the ship captain as well).

Last night I started working on an opening credits. The first version has the version of "Star Wars Theme" that plays during the skiff battle in ROTJ. It's a 'rough draft.'

Bingowings, maybe if we can agree on a format for episodes, this can be a 'consequetion' (sp?) fanedit done collaboratively, with different folks 'directing' differenet episodes.

Is anyone handy with Photoshop who could make cool title cards. I need ones that say:

'Previously on Star Wars'

"Episode VIII: A Mystery on Kamino!"

and

"Episode XXI: Luke and the Ice Monster!"

(I'm not diving into editing these yet, just playing with the concept, presenting ideas.)

Bingowings said:

The point of the 30's serial cut though was to keep the movie episodes as seperated episodes.

A television miniseries cut could take all six films and mix them into one resource that can be edited into episodes that don't necessarily follow the sequence of events as shown in the films.

TPM might, for example sake form two episodes and bits of ROTS might be held back to the later episodes to maintain the surprise that television episodes depicting the events of ESB might cover.

The saga as a whole might be spread over 11 or 12 episodes (like Season One of Buffy or NuGalactica).

This sounds like a LOT of fun.

My first thought would be to make them approx. 22 minutes a peace, like the Saturday morning adventure shows from back in the day. Then each episode could be contructed around one action sequence.

STAR WARS: Episode 3: "Annie's Big Race!"

STAR WARS: Episode 6: "Mystery on Kamino!"

STAR WARS: Episode 12: "Luke vs. The Ice Monster!"

STAR WARS: Episdode 15: "Betrayal in the Clouds!"

(the exclamation points are a must! :) )