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#207901
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The Official 2006 Discs Will Be No Better Than What We Have!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/207901/action/topic#207901
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The problem is you guys percieve an adversarial relationship where there isn't one. If there was a fight or a spiteful battle between the two sides (Lucas vs The Fans) then I could see him trying to "prove" something to people with this release. But there isn't. I know you guys often SEE it that way because you've spent a long time trying to get what you want and you kept hearing "No." but I don't really think this is a case of trying to slyly "prove a point" to the fans who have been clamoring for this set. this is to APPEASE the fans clamoring for the set. Any adversarial bent is being applied by the fans in this case, not necessarily the company. I know I'm going to get crap for that, but I seriously doubt Lucasfilm is spending the time and money to try and clean up those original film elements for transfer to DVD just to pull a "nyah nyah" on the small contingency of fans who would be "proved wrong" by this release. That number is small, and with a company like Lucasfilm, I'm pretty sure that getbacks aren't even anywhere on the menu.

It's just a case of being stuck in this one-way battle too long that you just assume the other side really is fighting back against you directly. These are the leftover vestiges of that.

I wouldn't sweat it.
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#207614
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Original Trilogy DVD FAQ (Unofficial)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/207614/action/topic#207614
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I would like to add that while some people are claiming anonymous insider sources that state they are using the old 4x3 Letterbox transfer for the DVD, an information source who calls himself "Darth First" and who was responsible for leaking almost all the information about both the 2004 Box Set and the Episode III DVD many months beforehand has come out and said these DVD's ARE being sourced from the film elements. Yes, I understand the ludicrousness of charging someone who volunteers to call themselves "Darth First' as a voice of authority, but his track record with the DVD news from the two previous releases is 100 percent. There is also another member here claiming a friend has firsthand helped WASH the film elements at a lab for processing this year.

It's a pretty muddy issue, however the above seems to shine a more clarifying light on what direction Ward and Lucasfilm are going in.
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#207506
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The Official 2006 Discs Will Be No Better Than What We Have!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/207506/action/topic#207506
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Well, I'd like to counter Neil's unnamed sources with one that's definitely come through in the past:

We all remember Darth First, correct? That's the username of the person who essentially leaked any and all details about the 2004 set in August of that year, long before anyone knew what was really going on. Darth First pretty obviously has some kind of position inside the DVD industry as he got his copies around that August.

Darth First has stated they are NOT using the D2 masters, and are sourcing from film elements to make this DVD

Take from that what you will. He does say that's what he's heard from his people, but First has proved pretty reliable at this. He COULD be misled by these "sources" however, just as Neil's sources could be RIGHT. But still, thought I'd throw that out there, if only to muddy the waters even more

But now there's a proven source of DVD news stating that these DVD's are being sourced from film elements, not Laserdisc masters.
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#207129
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The Official 2006 Discs Will Be No Better Than What We Have!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/207129/action/topic#207129
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I've told you what I know.


Which is fuckin bupkes, Neil. If you knew anything, you'd have spilled. But you don't. You've got your assumptions and your guesses and your hard-on to rage against the Lucasfilm machine like some sort of internet Che Guevara for his past transgressions against you and your desires. That's what you've got, and that's what you're running around smearing the internet with. Unfortunately that's not anywhere NEAR enough to go on.

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#206524
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ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/206524/action/topic#206524
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I've mentioned it in another thread, those comments were more than likely deleted because in a Marketing PR release, they sounded more snarky than you'd want. Plus it ends up sort of casting other LFL products (The 2004 editions) in a negative light.

Purely aesthetic reasons, I'd think, especially since they kept the mention of "The versions you saw in 1977" etc. etc.
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#206515
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The Official 2006 Discs Will Be No Better Than What We Have!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/206515/action/topic#206515
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Don't be cautious. Apparently the press-release was released early due to the word leaking out on a couple other sites like Digital Bits and such, and that paragraph actually, if you read it, doesn't fit with the rest of the marketing-speak going on in the release. It actually speaks negatively about other Lucasfilm product.

It was more than likely removed for aesthetic reasons than it was anything else, considering they left in the quote that these will be the editions you saw in theaters in 77, 80, and 83.
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#206477
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The Official 2006 Discs Will Be No Better Than What We Have!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/206477/action/topic#206477
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So, wait, we're supposed to word-of-mouth tell everyone to boycott this stuff based on your prediction?

Oooookaaaayyy...

Neil, you need to chill for a second. Just because it's a "bonus feature" doesn't mean anything. hell, the theatrical version of E.T. was also a bonus feature. marketing is gonna call it a bonus feature, but marketing is also promoting the Originals like CRAZY over the 2004 editions that are "supposed to be" the primary draw here. So obviously "Bonus features" isn't exactly carrying the same weight as "bonus features" typically does.

Dude, you're just guessing. you don't know just like the rest of us don't know. We got a ways to go, and it seems a lot of people think the ALTERNATE interpretation of Ward's comments are correct. Would I be surprised if it really was just the original LD master ported over? Not really. But then again, I don't really know.

Difference is I'm not taking my spite-fueled "prediction" and running all over the internet trying to stir up a grassroots boycott campaign. You're shooting your load way too early Neil. Ease back. You were right with the swapped surrounds, and got messageboard martyred for it or whatever, but don't get too eager to repeat that whole bit of whirlwind "success" you had. Chill for a second. If you end up being right, THEN it's time to call down the thunder. But you literally DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT yet. None of us do.
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#206423
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The Official 2006 Discs Will Be No Better Than What We Have!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/206423/action/topic#206423
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LOL. How'd I know Neil was gonna be angry about this. His boy Tom Brennan over at the HTF is pulling the same stuff.

Look, there's a couple different interpretations of Ward's statement. Those have been brought up in this thread already. It's way too early to definitively state what's going to happen with these transfers or not, and it's WAY too early to start calling for boycotts and running willy nilly all over the internet trying to pooh-pooh anyone thinking about buying this set. When there's more solid info, yeah, I can see the self-righteousness that Neil is known for rearing it's head and making it's presence felt, but as of right now, way too soon to start stomping on everyone's hopes in the name of eternal disappointment with Lucas

Again, people aren't so much fans of Star Wars as they are fans of BITCHING about Star Wars, and this announcement reinforces that, as does Neil and Tom's immediate negativity towards an announcement a LOT of people have been clamoring for.

Yes, it's entirely possible they're just porting the laserdiscs It's also entirely possible they're using the original elements from the 93 restoration and making a DVD out of THAT.

It's also possible they've been working on this for quite a decent amount of time before it was announced, and if that's the case, then this rush job isn't THAT much of a rush job then, is it?

It's wait and see time. We have till September to see what this thing looks like, to start jumping at shadows and running with possibly skewed interpretations of a marketing mans patter is irresponsible at least.
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#206197
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ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/206197/action/topic#206197
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Every person here who was donating their free time to making the best version of these movies from such limited resources are the ONLY reason that Lucasfilm is officially releasing this movie.


Actually, no.

I'm not saying it wasn't a contributing factor, it more than likely most DEFINITELY was, but LFL Marketing has been itching to put these on DVD since the format first showed up. No joke. Jim Ward has been pushing for it for awhile now. He finally got it. This was probably going to happen sooner or later--but that IS where you come in. It happened sooner, a LOT sooner than anyone thought, and a lot of that has to do with the demand and this place putting in the work.

but it's not the ONLY reason. Economics is playing the biggest role, let's be real. LFL wants something for the 4th quarter to increase numbers. What better than a double-dip of the 2004's (A triple dip, actually) with the originals being a special feature? C'mon.

But I don't think this happens in 2006 without rabid fans clamoring and doing for themselves in the meantime
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#206196
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/206196/action/topic#206196
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Mike Verta? Yeah, that's a good question actually. He's been sorta busy professionally, from what I understand, so I don't know if he's progressed all THAT far. But it was proprietary stuff he was using, so I hope it's not much of a monetary loss. Besides, he might simply use this new transfer to continue his work--like OCP said, DVD remixing is essentially the new frontier for the editors here. I don't imagine it'll be any different with Mike.
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#197305
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THE FAN EDIT CONTEST HAS A WINNER !!! REVIEWS IN OFF TOPIC FORUM
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/197305/action/topic#197305
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if any of the judges would please mail me their reviews about the CBB edits and if I am allowed to may ask a question or two about the review then, this would be really nice.


Dude, just ask your questions here. It's not like I'm ignoring you or anything. You want a question answered, just ask it. my reviews were already posted, so I don't have to email em to you
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#196703
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***//BUILDING EMPIRE\\: PAL & NTSC DVD - NEW EDITION NOW ONLINE! ***
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/196703/action/topic#196703
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NICE. I've been waiting to add this to my OT collections. Right now I've got the Robert Anthony covers holding 4 disc sets including

Editdroid (classic)
Darth Editous (Special Edition--for ESB and ROTJ, I'm using ADM's)
Deleted Magic
Rowman bonus features. (matches with Editdroids)

Empire and Jedi don't have the 4th disc yet. Building Empire would fit PERFECTLY.
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#196343
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THE FAN EDIT CONTEST HAS A WINNER !!! REVIEWS IN OFF TOPIC FORUM
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/196343/action/topic#196343
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Thanks Zion. You're a good guy.

Again--yeah, I'm straightforward. I have a subtlety deficiency. But none of these remarks are PERSONAL ATTACKS on your being or anything. They're criticism's of your work. The first thing you should expect when you make a work public is that people are going to rip it a new one if they don't like it. you've GOT to get used to the idea. You can tell when someone's ripping it just to rip it--but that's not the case here. I'm explaining why. I'm trying to shine light on why it didn't work for me. This isn't a commentary on YOU AS A PERSON, but the work you did that you submitted to a contest.

It's all love. Seriously. Mine's just that crusty old uncle love.