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#148269
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RotS: Secret Keeper Edition (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/148269/action/topic#148269
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It's not pessimism, it's analytical thinking. There's a difference between optimism and daydreaming. I'm just pointing out all the stuff you're going to have to knock holes in and then spackle over, and unless you want a wall made entirely of spackle, there's not too much that can be done to preserve the twist via a fan edit, especially since the movies have been proven to work WITHOUT the surprise factor entering in.
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#148264
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RotS: Secret Keeper Edition (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/148264/action/topic#148264
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we might think it's to cover up the fact that he killed him


Except WE already know different. And future audiences aren't going to be that dumb that they're not going to go "hey...wait a minute. Young jedi named Darth Vader? That he TRAINED? he never trained anyone but Anakin. Who, coincidentally, lost a lot of his limbs and swore loyalty to the Emperor in the last movie...nah, Obi Wan is just trying to cover up for killing Anakin, that's all it is."

That's not plausible. Ben gives away the secret in Episode IV to anyone who's seen the first three. You have to be VERY WILLFULLY ignoring what's going on by that point to fall for that sort of editorial misdirection. Or not paying any attention at all.

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#148238
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RotS: Secret Keeper Edition (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/148238/action/topic#148238
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He'll fail too. You can't help but not to. That's not a crack on his editing skills, but the Prequels, by nature, are designed to take the "surprise" element away from the revelation. I mean, you can try and chop up Ben's speech in the hut to Luke, but you're just going to hamstring that particular scene, which is one of the 3 or 4 most important scenes in the WHOLE SAGA actually, especially in terms of tone and acting. To take a scalpel to that just so that the twist in Episode V is maintained is throwing baby out with the bathwater. And again, that's really the only way you can make "preserving the twist" work. Don't worry about Episode III, you gotta figure a way to re-edit EPISODE IV and not cock that sequence up. And since the whole POINT of that sequence is to educate Luke about his father and use his father's legacy to lure Luke into joining the Jedi, you can't really chop any of that out without totally kneecapping the dramatic drive of the WHOLE MOVIE at that point.

Plus, untangling all the birth/death crosscutting in the final act of Episode III is just a mess. I guarantee the flow would end up choppy as hell.

I don't understand why it's such a big deal to "preserve the secret" anyway. Again, the best way to do that is just show whoever it is you're planning on showing these to, in their theatrical release order. And even then, there's no guarantee they won't already know. That twist is such pop culture trivia at this point I know people who have NEVER seen Star Wars and know that Vader is Luke's dad. The movies seem to stand up just fine without the "oh SHIT!" factor in V, and editing Episode III to regain that seems futile. You won't get it back. It was lost in 1980. And besides, that twist isn't really the point of the movies, it's not the fulcrum the whole balances on. It's a very important point, yes, but the movies work whether or not you're actually SURPRISED by the announcement.
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#148195
Topic
RotS: Secret Keeper Edition (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/148195/action/topic#148195
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It's not going to work. You're going to find that out about 5 minutes into making your first change, that you can't do it. Mostly because even if you DO somehow manage to seamlessly edit out all mentions and foreshadowings of Anakin's transformation into Vader--Ben still gives it all away in Episode IV. The surprise is dead right there.

That's not taking into account how hard it's going to be for you to chop out all the "Birth of Vader" sequences from the climax and not make it look and sound like crap. I'm sure you could technically DO IT, but it would be nigh unwatchable. You can't "Fix" the Prequel Trilogy to ensure the twist in ESB is perserved. The only way that twist stays preserved now is to show them in release order, to someone younger than 10, who hasn't heard the secret in a joke or on the playground. Other than that, you're lost.
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#148099
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Interested in everyones opinion when ROTS DVD Comes after Nov 1
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/148099/action/topic#148099
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we have sat through three 3 hour lord of the rings movies, one star wars 3 hour movie would've been great even if some of the scenes would've brought the film an R rating or slowed down the pace of the film. The film should have been more important than the kiddies


The instant anyone asks for "R Rated Star Wars" is the minute they've lost touch with the films themselves. You can't say 'the film is more important than the kiddies' as the films were always intended FOR the kiddies. Even Episode III, with the gruesome immolation of Anakin--that fits pretty well with the old Aesop's fables and Grimm's fairytales sort of stuff that had darkness and violence in it. But to push that violence and darkness to the point where you exclude the very audience the movies were created for? That's way beyond shortsighted.
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#148096
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Info: The Frighteners - Signature Collection laserdisc preservation thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/148096/action/topic#148096
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That's a lot of conjecture. This isn't Jaws, and just saying 'There's probably some edits" doesn't mean there will be any, and from every indication so far, EVERYTHING that was on that LD is going to this DVD set. All of it. There MIGHT be a new commentary track, but I doubt it, simply because Jackson seems to have been WAY too busy on Kong to have sat down and done a full commentary.

I'm guessing MeBe is simply waiting to see what's actually what before pressing forward.
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#148056
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Wanted: Star Wars theatrical posters - I'm new here and i need some help
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/148056/action/topic#148056
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It appears that you're not entirely familiar with how messageboards work. At least that's how it reads to me. Because if you HAVE been reading the forum forever, you'd know to a) use the search feature (crappy as it is) b) dig around some of the image threads in this forum (there's quite a few) and c) be a little patient, as you're not going to instantly get an answer, and posting every hour isn't going to make anyone want to help you any faster.

Now, as far as poster images and such go, here's a thread that up until a week or 2 ago, was still on pages 1 and 2

http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=2975

If you also comb through the "Star Wars DVD Covers" thread, as large as it is, you will find links to some of the images you're looking for.
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#147219
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MagnoliaFan Edits: Ep I "Balance Of The Force", and Ep II "The Clone War" (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/147219/action/topic#147219
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the emergence of Balance and how it redeemed faith in SW to those who had lost the faith

LOL. Dude, why don't you just take the first three people to PM you and then just film them giving you head

It's not something I would film myself,


Of course not, someone else has to hold the camera while you dent someone's uvula.

I'm just goofin, but seriously, editing the movies for personal enjoyment is cool. Proposing a documentary be made on how your edit "changed the face of fandom" is some autofellatio that even McCallum would sneer at as being over the top. Especially since its target audience is probably about 100 people at best.

It's a fun idea, but if it ever came to fruition I'm gonna have to question some sanity around here. Not that we're not all a little kooky anyway, but man... At this point, you might as well just have the documentary be a weblink that points to this thread.
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#147057
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Idea: Preserving Episodes 1-3?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/147057/action/topic#147057
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Because they have a deep appreciation for art, period? That's why stuff is preserved in museums and such. I guarantee you every curator of every museum doesn't think every piece of art in it is great. I'm sure some of em think a goodish amount of the stuff housed in their walls is actually pretty crappy. Doesn't make it any less a work of art. It just makes it BAD art. but if you believe art needs to be preserved, you should preserve ALL of it. That's the goal of film preservation societies all over the place. They don't want ANYTHING to go out of print or be lost to the elements ever. And if anything, this forum has become less a Star Wars forum, and more a film preservation/editor wanna-be forum. And don't take the term "wanna-be" negatively, either. It's sort of like streetball--there's some GREAT playground players. Doesn't mean they don't wanna be in the NBA.

And who says nobody here wouldn't LIKE theatrical versions of the Prequels? Believe it or not, there are prequel fans here. I understand why you wouldn't think so, after spending all that time writing and re-writing, but there are people here who, if you offered up a "Prequel Trilogy Original Edition" to go along with their Original Trilogy Laserdisc rips, would grab both so they could say they have the ORIGINAL Star Wars saga in it's entirety. That's a film fan sort of thing right there. It's why some of us still have old, out of date dvd releases and some Vhs stuff, even though we can get things on DVD still.

Wait for the release. We may be surprised. With Papanoida, we never know


No, the reviews are out. We know. Nothing got changed.

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#146743
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Idea: Preserving Episodes 1-3?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/146743/action/topic#146743
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I've been asking people who've seen the DVD release, and so far no one's caught anything. I thought for SURE like, a second or two would have snuck in, but so far, it's looking like this is exactly the theatrical release.

Side note: it's funny that we're so used to these movies being tinkered with, going back to the VHS days and the changes to the soundtrack, that the straight transfer of the theatrical version is something to be distrusted. "There's no WAY it's the theatrical.."
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#146734
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Idea: Preserving Episodes 1-3?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/146734/action/topic#146734
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I'm actually pretty surprised someone hasn't fan-edited the IMAX cut together. I REALLY liked that version of it. MagFan's Episode II edit does come close to it, but drops the ball with that weird "Dooku Yellowsaber" thing, although I know I'm in the minority on that one in this forum

And yes, when Episode III is released, it will be the only release of a Star Wars movie as it was shown in theaters. Every other one of them has edits and changes. As Zion pointed out, it'd be pretty easy to restore Episodes I and II to their theatrical, I'd think.
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#145819
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/145819/action/topic#145819
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Yeah, that's not CGI. That's a separate angle from an alternate take. It was manipulated with CG, yes, but the frame you're holding up as a CG model is, in fact, a picture of Harrison Ford.

By the way, this totally precludes you from ever criticizing CGI again, since you mistook a living human being for a "very very very very fake" Computer Generated Image.

See, this is why I don't take too much CGI criticism too seriously--the people criticizing have a hard time actually discerning between models, computer images, and even actual humans. Which, I think, speaks more to the SUCCESS of the tool than the failure of it.
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#144568
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***The "Darth Editous" Episode IV DVD Info and Feedback Thread*** - a partially "de-specialed" DVD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/144568/action/topic#144568
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Gotta say, the only odd edit is the fade transition that excises the Jabba scene. other than that, pretty much everything was seamless, although in some shots, it looked like Ben's saber was purplish instead of blue. And I wish the Greedo subs would have been completely in the picture, but that's just a personal nitpick, because I have a projector and I matte out the black bars on 2.35 movies, so half the subtitle ends up looking out of focus and really gray. but that's not even going to be a problem for like, 99 percent of the people watching this thing Other than that--this is a really damn good job, and possibly one of the best "Fan edits" I've seen.