TestingOutTheTest

SparkySywer said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

SparkySywer said:

I wonder if it would be a good idea to show Luke’s lightsaber retracting in the final Academy flashback. To make the point of the scene more clear and dispel the misreading of the movie of Luke trying to kill Ben for having a bad dream. He’d have to re-ignite it when Ben attacks him, too, of course.

Luke clearly changes his mind about killing Ben at the last minute. And it needed to be on so Ben would realize, “Oh shit, Luke found out that I’ve turned to the dark side and he was gonna stop me!”

Well, Jedi can sort of read minds.

I’m not sure what your point is. And my point was from a storytelling perspective, not an in-universe perspective.

It does muddy Kylo Ren a little in that scene, but I think clarifying what’s going on with Luke is worth it. Because misreading the movie to thinking that Luke was killing Ben for having a bad dream is a bigger deal than not immediately getting how Ben knows what’s going on.

It’s the audience’s fault for misinterpreting the movie, not Rian’s fault. Most Star Wars fans, including prequel haters, don’t pay attention to any of the movies released post-RotJ and are certainly unaware of this storytelling technique called “inference”.

CaptainFaraday said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

CaptainFaraday said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

It’s already clear in the actual movie Holdo believed there was a spy, as no one in the Resistance believes that hyperspace tracking even exists.

That’s nowhere in the text of the movie. But I believe it would be easy to contextualise events so that it unequivocally reads as such, rather than one of many post-facto surmises.

It’s called an inference. It does not have to be spelled out to you.

Yes. I’m suggesting making that inference, one of many possible interpretations of the text, into the actual text itself. Leia and Holdo never talk about spies, they talk about following orders and being heroes.

To return to the key topic: has anyone hunted for any useful audio from either Dern or Fisher? Or would I be the first to go looking for this specific purpose?

My point is that it isn’t necessary to spoon-feed inferences to the audience and would just across as… [shudders] pandering - it would be the equivalent of having Kylo Ren go up to the screen in TFA and tell the audience that his injury is the reason he lost to Rey. I feel it’d be very on-the-nose.

Apologies for taking so long to respond.

DominicCobb said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

I’ve mentioned this before, but I don’t really like the idea. I feel it’d take away the original point of the scene: to establish the stakes for the movie, hence Rey looking at the children - the future of the galaxy. Terrio even confirmed this in The Skywalker Legacy documentary. Now, it’d just be another reinforcement of Luke’s return on Crait and how it inspired hope.

Honestly man why are you even here. RL just spends all the time making this thing and you chime in with your usual bullshit. Just get the fuck out, don’t troll edit threads if all you’re gonna do every time is say that something is a bad idea.

So… refuting criticisms of a movie you guys don’t like is trolling or bullshitting?

I already explained that there is an explanation for how Maz found the saber.

Hal 9000, maybe you’re right. But I feel like I recommend against making the mention of “Skywalker” be the thing that causes Rey to look at the kids - she looks at the kids in the first place because they are what she and the Resistance are fighting for.

DZ-330 said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

As someone who does like TRoS, I just feel like some changes miss the original executed meaning of specific things/plot points/whatever and/or undermine those.

That’s the point of a fanedit though… to change the meaning of specific things and plot points to the editor’s executed meaning.

But as I stated, the scene with the children establishes a connection with the galaxy in just TRoS (as if it were a standalone movie and not a sequel) and raises the stakes. It’s more personal and thus meaningful than just reinforcing TLJ. The heroes are fighting for the future of the galaxy, which the children symbolize.

As someone who does like TRoS, I just feel like some changes miss the original executed meaning of specific things/plot points/whatever and/or undermine those.

I’ve mentioned this before, but I don’t really like the idea. I feel it’d take away the original point of the scene: to establish the stakes for the movie, hence Rey looking at the children - the future of the galaxy. Terrio even confirmed this in The Skywalker Legacy documentary. Now, it’d just be another reinforcement of Luke’s return on Crait and how it inspired hope.

Today, I am going to be addressing… something. People act like there is no explanation for Maz getting the lightsaber and acting like it is a plot hole, acting like the lightsaber was dropped into the atmosphere of a gas giant, never to be seen again.

Firstly, this acts as though it were implied, shown or made clear in The Empire Strikes Back that the lightsaber did fall into Bespin’s atmosphere after Luke had his hand sliced off by Darth Vader… except there was no indication that the lightsaber did fall out of Cloud City and into Bespin’s atmosphere, never to be seen again.

Secondly, there is an explanation in The Force Awakens alone. It isn’t explicitly spoon-fed to you; instead, it relies on inference, like almost everything else in the sequel trilogy.

We know Maz is not only friends with Han Solo but is also familiar with the history of the lightsaber (she had to have received this information from Luke, he is the only other person to know about this), and the fact alone that she found the lightsaber implies she is familiar with Bespin — one can infer that Maz went out to find it and eventually came across it at the bottom floor of Cloud City.

@DMC Yeah, I was a bit impatient and didn’t want to waste time (might be perceived as laziness). I was going to acknowledge this in the actual comment itself.

Anakin Starkiller said:

All those relationships you’re suggesting have very strange age gaps, TestingOutTheTest.

Oh, yep. 😏

NSFW CONTENT AHEAD

There’s people out there in our world who’re attracted to older people, and in the reverse as well (with older females who’re attracted to younger men being called “cougars”). Not referring to pedos, for the latter.

Not exactly fully one of those people I’ve mentioned (I mainly like healthy girls around my young, adolescent age), it’s just I’m sexually aroused by certain/specific shippings and stuff.

CaptainFaraday said:

Here’s the current dialogue of the Jedi Voices. I hadn’t realised there’s actually a very nice trajectory and build up over the course of the dialogue; it’s not just random snippets of generic encouragement. I’ve tried to keep that same flow, and added my own suggested lines in bold:

OBI-WAN: These are your final steps, Rey. Rise and take them.

ANAKIN: Rey.

AHSOKA: Rey.

KANAN: Rey.

ANAKIN: Bring back the balance, Rey, as I did.

LUMINARA: In the night, find the light, Rey.

MACE: You’re not alone, Rey.

YODA: Alone, never have you been.

QUI-GON: Every Jedi who ever lived lives in you.

SORS: We are all one through the Force, Rey.

ANAKIN: The Force surrounds you, Rey.

AAYLA: Let it guide you.

AHSOKA: As it guided us.

MACE: Feel the Force flowing through you, Rey.

ANAKIN: Let it lift you.

SORS: As it carries us.

ADI: Rise, Rey.

QUI-GON: We stand behind you, Rey.

OBI-WAN: Rey.

YODA: Rise in the Force.

KANAN: In the heart of a Jedi lies her strength.

OBI-WAN: Rise.

QUI-GON: Rise.

LUKE: Rey, the Force will be with you.

LEIA: Always.

Sors? As in Sors Bandeam? That youngling in RotS?

KumoNin said:

Do share

“Yes, my lord.”

— Commander Cody, Revenge of the Sith

NSFW CONTENT AHEAD

Rey, Lt. Connix, Leia, Commander D’Acy, Holdo, Poe and Tallie as well as Rose and Paige Tico are all thicc - yes, each of them has a thicc booty/ass, curvy hips and a wide waist.

Rey is in a sexual relationship with Lt. Connix, Leia, Commander D’Acy, Poe and Rose.

Lt. Connix is in a sexual relationship with Rey and Leia, sometimes with Poe, Holdo and Commander D’Acy.

Leia is in a sexual relationship with Rey, Lt. Connix (a bit… ironic… 😉) and Holdo.

Holdo is in a sexual relationship with Leia and Poe.

Poe is in a sexual relationship with Rey, Holdo and Tallie, sometimes with Lt. Connix.

Commander D’Acy is in a sexual relationship with Rey, and sometimes with Lt. Connix.

Rose is in an incestuous sexual relationship with Paige, and is also in a sexual relationship with Rey, sometimes with Lt. Connix.

Paige is in a sexual relationship with Tallie and in an incestuous sexual relationship with Rose.

Tallie is in a sexual relationship with Poe and Paige.

oojason said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

Are NSFW headcanons allowed?

I think it depends on what sort of NSFW content you are going for…
 

NSFW Language - should be okay… just make sure to label it up very clearly as ‘NSFW’ (and if there is a ton of NSFW language then use the ‘spoiler’ tags too.)

Images of nudity - no.

Images like those found in ‘Beautiful Women / Men’ NSFW threads - probably best to label it as ‘NSFW’ and use the spoiler tags as above for the actual content.

Images of people having sex - no.
 

A little more on NSFW content on the site (including graphic depictions of violence, death, etc)
 

NSFW CONTENT AHEAD

Speaking of NSFW language, are descriptions (in the form of words, letters and sentences, no images whatsoever) of…

people/characters being thicc (a term that means having a big ass and/or curvy waist) or being in a (sexual) relationship

…allowed?

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

DominicCobb said:

Don’t you think TROS is a masterpiece or whatever? Take it up with that movie, not me. I’m just working with what I got.

I mean, I think we already established that he’s actually JJ. anyone who defends TLJ or refutes criticisms towards the movie is actually Rian.

😄

Jar Jar Bricks said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

From the films one can infer that Sith essence transfer works in the sense that your spirit/essence inherently leaves your original body that is killed by specifically another Force sensitive and your spirit/essence goes to, for example, Palpatine’s clone body or Rey’s or Ben’s body 'cause you will it to, Palps knows where those are specifically.

I disagree with the inference, but whatever. Palps says, “Kill me and my spirit will pass into you.” Not “my spirit will pass into my clone”.

It’s not like Palps had any more clones.

DominicCobb said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

DominicCobb said:

I’ll be honest, I actually do think you can make some logical sense of the original film’s take, even if it’s pretty silly.

Palpatine from the start wants Rey to come to Exegol and take over his spirit. He basically lies to Kylo knowing that he’ll reveal to Rey her backstory which will just make her want to come to Exegol more. Meanwhile he figures that Kylo won’t actually kill her, and even if he does he can just take her place. “You have his power” seems to be more neutrally “you have a lot of power” or something. Even in Kylo’s mind, he doesn’t know about the essence transfer, so if Rey is destined to kill Palpatine then he doesn’t see why Palpatine wouldn’t want to stop it.

Things definitely get more complicated when we start changing things, since most of this logic you kind of have to figure out on your own, it’s not explicitly stated to begin with. I’m gonna have to think this through for sure in terms of where Kylo fits. Is he trying to stop her from killing Palpatine, or is he trying to get her to fulfill the vision. I will say in my version he still doesn’t know about the essence transfer. I kind of like the idea though that he might be trying to stop her regardless. Wonder if we could sneak in a line like “Palpatine is a distraction,” something that gets that point across. So his offer is really more about the dyad thing specifically. I wish we had that oracle scene, apparently it told him about the dyad. Tricky stuff here.

I’m not in love with my bad parents but still revenge solution, but personally I’ve yet to be convinced of a better solution. I don’t believe that Rey having bad parents would be enough to stop her from wanting revenge for their deaths. These are still people she’s been emotionally attached to for almost all of her life, and this is the dark side messing with her mind after all too.

Except the point of her arc in TLJ is that she doesn’t care for them anymore by the end because of everything they did to her, they threw her away like garbage and considered her to be absolutely, inherently worthless. Why would she avenge them after what they did?

Don’t you think TROS is a masterpiece or whatever? Take it up with that movie, not me. I’m just working with what I got.

I never said TRoS was a super-duper flawless God-tier masterpiece. I do like the movie alongside TLJ, RotS and ESB, but do I think it is 100% flawless? No. It’s just that, alongside TFA, TLJ and all three prequels (yes, we exist!), there’s a lot of invalid criticisms towards the movie that can easily be refuted using inferences and explicitly shown/mentioned pieces of information from the movie.

From the films one can infer that Sith essence transfer works in the sense that your spirit/essence inherently leaves your original body that is killed by specifically another Force sensitive and your spirit/essence goes to, for example, Palpatine’s clone body or Rey’s or Ben’s body 'cause you will it to, Palps knows where those are specifically.

Palpatine chose not to possess Vader because his cybernetics have been damaged by his Force lightning and he was going to die because of this.

God, I should’ve elaborated.

I never said we saw the vision itself on Pasaana. I said that Rey describes to Finn that she experienced the vision when touching the dagger.

Just one thing, Kylo doesn’t literally feel the pull to the light.

In TFA, Kylo Ren is established as a character who has a desire to be the bad guy for the hell of it, he wants to be on the dark side and be evil… but deep down, he acknowledges that what he is doing… is wrong; he wants to get rid of these goody-goody feelings forever, and it is for this reason he attempts to communicate with the charred helmet of Darth Vader…

…and why he murders Han Solo — he believes he can further himself into the dark side and permanently erase these goody-goody feelings; it is for this reason he is literally thanking his father, for his murder seeming to be permanently erasing his goody-goody feelings and ensuring he remains on the dark side for as long as he lives. When he does commit the deed, it does not work — in fact, he literally regrets it! He acknowledged how wrong it was for him to murder his own father, and this leads him down to the path of his failure.

Kylo Ren only used “the pull to the light” in TFA as a figurative way of saying that, deep down, he has these feelings that what he is doing is wrong — he never meant it literally.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I have to admit I agree with Testing here. The reason Palp’s goes with clones is because their free will can easily be manipulated. He might even be able to will his spirit into them without any killing involved since they’re just a copy of his body. Also, I’m not even sure that there were many powerful Force users left in the galaxy. He resorted to clones as a failsafe in case he dies somehow when Luke denies his request.

I feel as though I disagree with this one. Judging by inferences from the actual movie, Sith essence transfer only works if another Force-sensitive kills him (whereas Darth Vader threw him into the shaft, Rey reflected his lightning at his face - he essentially committed suicide).

RogueLeader said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

I just want to address something about the pitched edit of removing the mention of Rey having a vision of both herself and Kylo Ren on the Sith throne. She didn’t have that specific vision at the beginning of the movie, she only had it when she touched the dagger on Pasaana.

It’s not shown on screen, and therefore is irrelevant. When Rey says she had a vision, the audience instantly should think of the one from the beginning of the movie since, ya know, it was shown. In fact, there is no proof that they ever recorded footage of both Rey and Kylo on the throne. So tbh, I’m not even sure what they were smoking when they wrote that line for Rey.

By that logic, Luke’s piloting experiences pre-ANH are irrelevant because they aren’t shown to us.

But we are never shown anything that contradicts that, like Luke being reckless and crashing his skyhopper in Beggar’s Canyon. But we actually see Rey on the throne alone, with Kylo Ren nowhere in sight. We literally just see Rey on the throne by herself… we actually don’t see Kylo Ren on any throne in this movie, despite him being Supreme Leader of the galaxy.

That Rey vision of herself on the throne was during her training on Ajan Kloss. Whereas that vision with Kylo Ren was from when she touched the dagger on Pasaana; she says as much to Finn.

Just because something might be “inferred” doesn’t mean it is good storytelling, or cinema for that matter.

By your logic, same with TFA, TLJ and especially the prequels, as well as every short film in existence (even those from Pixar).

sade1212 said:

I admit that I am personally biased against Testing’s (and I suppose the official) interpretation of Palps ever wanting to possess Ben in a Rey Palpatine edit, because if he could just possess anyone regardless of their genes, why’d he bother putting all that effort into growing force sensitive clones of himself, or strandcasts like Rey’s dad? I also don’t really like the idea he ever intended to possess Luke in ROTJ - the existence of Exegol and his clone bodies there already help justify his seeming willingness to die in ROTJ; we don’t need to make it weird. In a Rey Nobody edit, though, I suppose you have to suggest he could possess either of them since there’s no obvious distinction.

Palpatine is very clearly shitty at making clones. It’s why his post-RotJ body is rotting to the point where it needs a life support machine, and why he can’t just make an army of Snokes.

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