Gimpy said:
What I mean by exposition by sight is that there are things you did not need to be told to understand in the original movies. Watch the asteroid sequence in ESB again. The empire never mentions “Oh no, Asteroids!” The main trio does it for comedic effect and not drama.

Admiral Piett: Our ships have sighted the Millennium Falcon, Lord. But it has entered an asteroid field and we can not risk…

Darth Vader: [interrupting] Asteroids do not concern me, Admiral! I want that ship, not excuses!

The issue with the sequence in The Last Jedi isn’t that the low fuel doesn’t work, its that it falls flat for any audience member who thinks about it.

Sure I agree its flimsy, but I still don’t agree adding a new threat like black holes works on any level because it seems like it requires massive fan editing skills. So let’s sit with black hole plot line for a moment. Your main issue is that it doesn’t make sense for the Tie Fighters to pull back. Now we’re adding black holes to make it believable that it’s dangerous for the FO to send its fighters due to the risk of black holes. Okay wait, why is this not a risk for the Resistance cruiser? Are they so close to one that it sucks fighters and other ships, like the medical frigate, into it? Or are you going for the intention that the cruiser is going towards it intentionally? And if so, it doesn’t fix the fighter element because then they could simply attack the cruiser well before they hit the black hole. And then on top of that, you’d have weak and defenseless transports leave the ship to get to Crait, without any issue of avoiding the black hole…?

It just sounds like introducing this new threat will create more problems than fix imo.

Gimpy said:

Even if you have no reaction from either side, the fuel issue would work in tandem with the visual cue of being surrounded by black holes. Why have we never seen “low fuel” as a plot device before?

Ric Olie:
There’s not enough power to get us to Coruscant…the hyperdrive is leaking.

Qui-Gon Jinn:
We’ll have to land somewhere to refuel and repair the ship.

Because everyone assumes that a ship capable of light speed travel has no issue with energy supply. The rationale is that the fuel is low due to the environment. The black holes become the impetus for Poe’s mutiny even though we don’t say it, in true Star Wars style of exposition by sight.

You can go way back as far as A New Hope; right before all the ships take off to attack the Death Star, you see people detaching fuel lines from the ships before take off.
Also not quite sure what you mean by “true Star Wars style of exposition by sight”. Did everyone in the Falcon during the asteroid sequence never mention a word about the asteroids and its danger? 3PO goes out of his way to tell us just how dangerous it is. So yes, I still think it would be a very tough fan edit to pull off because there’s zero mention about the system or area being dangerous because of black holes and no where in the Star Wars movies are black holes ever an issue (except for the time Han mentions making the jump to lightspeed is dangerous without precise calculations because you could ligthspeed right into a supernova).

Poe still opines that they are in great danger, but as the film presently runs, there is no indication of that. Having this element would just make the existing plot more believable with visual cues.

But the danger is present; you see ships that actually lose fuel begin to drift aimlessly through space into the trap of the First Order’s barrage of fire.

Collipso said:

Why does broom boy in the end of TLJ knows how to use the force? Is the force now like magic is from Harry Potter? Lightsabers chose people, everyone that’s sensitive to it can use it without even knowing…

Even I’m unsure how to make of it. I think the inclusion of broom kid is fine to sell the message that it’s time for the galaxy to rise up, but I also am not a fan of him casually using the Force. People had issue with Rey picking up on the Force too quick, but I at least think it was gradual enough for me to buy it. But all of a sudden, broom boy just has this power? It would had been way better if they removed that Force part and just have the kid raise his broom up like a saber, and that would be it.

Unless I’m being extremely unimaginative, how do you fan edit in a new threat, like a black hole, if none of the characters are reacting to the fact they’re limited because of a black hole? They’re all reacting to low fuel and the barrage of fire from the First Order. Neither will the First Order acknowledge the threat, such as a black hole, preventing them from being able to hyperspace in front of them because this issue wasn’t even an issue brought up or anything similar within the film.

Gimpy said:

Here is my crappy mockup of how I would change the low fuel chase scene.

https://imgur.com/a/nCoPr

Can you explain what’s going on?

Jedit: Oh, you added the explanations now.

Mrebo said:

TavorX said:

I think it would had been a touching moment for the mechanical hand to fall, but I agree that a Force ghost Luke would have both hands in tact. Ultimately, kind of a non-issue because just as Rian Johnson forgot to film that little detail, I bet many of us that watched it also didn’t think about it, me included.

As with Leila and Chewie ignoring each other after Han’s death isn’t the standard explanation, “because the Force”?

Being honest here, I’m not sure what you’re trying to relate here between that stuff in TFA and Luke becoming one with the Force?

I think it would had been a touching moment for the mechanical hand to fall, but I agree that a Force ghost Luke would have both hands in tact. Ultimately, kind of a non-issue because just as Rian Johnson forgot to film that little detail, I bet many of us that watched it also didn’t think about it, me included.

Oh wow, thanks for confirming that! So please, can we all “drop” this trivial matter now?

Dat_SW_Guy said:

LordPlagueis said:

• Restructure the opening fight sequence to eliminate the explosives falling onto the dreadnought. There is no gravity in space.

THIS

Out of all things to be up and arms about, I still have zero issue with that scene. It always looked like the bombs were being propelled via electromagnetism or similar to fall down.

Part of me is thinking that is a bad idea, to give her a chance, but the other part of me doesn’t know the full story or can fully understand the situation, so of course only you can make the best call. Just suspecting that the lack of communication is something she probably has to really work on, and whether you’re ready to deal with that process or not will be tested. But overall, it must be a good sign and hope things work out better for ya, Possessed!

Welcome to the Star Wars fandom. I think the recent RedLetterMedia review hit close to home when they point out how similar this fandom is to a political party. So much passion involved.

Jedi Master Skywalker said:

I love OUT

Get OUT! We don’t serve your kind here!

Mark’s Down On Your Syntax said:

I duck out of here for a few days and come back to find some serious stuff has gone down! Crumbs 😦

Anyway, sorry for literally being a girl but I just want to say that regardless of how much nonsense some of you type that I love you all. You’re the only people in my life that talk about the stuff I like to talk about and without this place I’d just be walking around the house discussing Star Wars with my soft toys. Yeah, maybe I’m getting a bit sentimental or maybe I’ve gone a bit daft after spending a couple of hours in a supermarket on the Saturday before Christmas but I thought it worth posting. Merry Christmas ot.com, and all who sail in her - don’t ever change.

Don’t ever feel hard on yourself for expressing these emotions; they’re real and part of you, and it’s wonderful for you to express them! I wish you well too~

Personally the environment really stood out to me, and even the framing of Vader looks odd near the beginning. Maybe the lighting is too bright as well. Other than that, I’m pretty much sold on this duel.

Tobar said:

STAR WARS - Sc. 38 Reimagined Teaser Trailer

If they can make it seamless with the backdrop of ANH, I’d welcome this duel in a fanedit. Breathes even more tension and brutality of Vader. Currently, that teaser looks too clean and shiny to me, but again, I think there’s some fine tuning that will make fit more into the look of ANH.

Green is not a creative color said:

TavorX said:

Green is not a creative color said:

TavorX said:

Green is not a creative color said:
EDIT: PLOT TWIST: Reylo is necessary so that Rey is a Skywalker since she will be the wife of a Solo and mother to a Solo.

Not a fan because the whole point of TLJ was to reveal that you don’t need to be tied some special heroic family in order to be special. If that’s the resolution of IX, that Rey and Ben have a child, it reaches to the parallels of Revenge of the Sith (the birth of the twins will be the spark of Hope for the much needed Rebellion ~20 years later).

Also, I seriously don’t want any romance done in IX because they really messed up any potential for that to happen without feeling sudden and forced out of nowhere given very little chemistry and romantic development happened at all. I don’t buy Rose and Finn at all, and Finn’s “WTF” face tells it all when he’s kissed by Rose.

The real goal of IX shouldn’t rely on romance/fan-shipping to reach a conclusion. It should be, ideally, Rey carving a new path for a new Jedi Order. This time around, she would had studied the ancient teachings of the Jedi in order to learn the rules in order to break them and synthesize these views into an evolutionary understanding of what means to be a Jedi. I have no clue where that leaves the rest of the characters like Kylo, Finn, Rose, Leia, and Poe, but the main focus should be how to craft an evolved Jedi Order.

She still isn’t tied to a special family. And is. In the best way. Being somebody’s lover has nothing to do with bloodline potential and chosen ones. So what if it’s like Revenge of the Sith? The birth of Luke and Leia was not a bad scene. Anyone who hates the prequels unfairly is kind of being mean to George Lucas. A 3 out of 10 (what I would give the prequels) is better than a 2 so if it’'s what you honestly feel then give it that 3. It’s better for the writers to hear about the good things and better scores.

True. Then I need help figuring out WTF to do with Finn.

EDIT: I made the post more comprehensible lol

I’m not saying the stuff with Luke/Leia was bad, regarding the point of ROTS. I’m just saying it’s bad because of the fact how redundant it feels. PT conclusion is with the hope that Luke/Leia will end the Empire. OT conclusion is Luke/Leia bringing down the Empire. The ST conclusion with yet another birth of a kid or kids being done twice in a saga doesn’t sound exciting.

But having Rey’s child be born is necessary to keep Star Wars alive 30 years later.

EDIT: Not EVERYTHING has to be original. The Last Jedi has some stuff in common with Empire and Return, but it’s still an different and subversive movie thanks to all the new stuff it has.

I still disagree, and I believe it goes against the ultimate theme behind TLJ which felt original enough; you don’t need to be related to some hero in order to be great. The new trilogy ending on Rey and whomever she hooks up with (if that’s even going to be a thing) kinda implies the hope of the galaxy to remain peaceful is going to because she had a child or children to ensure that. Instead, what I think they’re going for is that you simply need to inspire a new generation. That’s why there’s that shot of the broom kid at the end; the fate of the galaxy can now rest in the hands of the many, instead of the few. If you want, Rey forging a new Jedi Order can be that metaphorical birth of a child, and I’d say that’s way more powerful thematically than repeating a la twin siblings being the main heroes for future generations. It’s time for the galaxy at large to feel as though they matter and not have to rely on established heroes to save them. They can rise up and make difference, just as Rey did, having no ties to anyone special, and believing in a cause.

Just my take of course.

Green is not a creative color said:

TavorX said:

Green is not a creative color said:
EDIT: PLOT TWIST: Reylo is necessary so that Rey is a Skywalker since she will be the wife of a Solo and mother to a Solo.

Not a fan because the whole point of TLJ was to reveal that you don’t need to be tied some special heroic family in order to be special. If that’s the resolution of IX, that Rey and Ben have a child, it reaches to the parallels of Revenge of the Sith (the birth of the twins will be the spark of Hope for the much needed Rebellion ~20 years later).

Also, I seriously don’t want any romance done in IX because they really messed up any potential for that to happen without feeling sudden and forced out of nowhere given very little chemistry and romantic development happened at all. I don’t buy Rose and Finn at all, and Finn’s “WTF” face tells it all when he’s kissed by Rose.

The real goal of IX shouldn’t rely on romance/fan-shipping to reach a conclusion. It should be, ideally, Rey carving a new path for a new Jedi Order. This time around, she would had studied the ancient teachings of the Jedi in order to learn the rules in order to break them and synthesize these views into an evolutionary understanding of what means to be a Jedi. I have no clue where that leaves the rest of the characters like Kylo, Finn, Rose, Leia, and Poe, but the main focus should be how to craft an evolved Jedi Order.

She still isn’t tied to a special family. And is. In the best way. Being somebody’s lover has nothing to do with bloodline potential and chosen ones. So what if it’s like Revenge of the Sith? The birth of Luke and Leia was not a bad scene. Anyone who hates the prequels unfairly is kind of being mean to George Lucas. A 3 out of 10 (what I would give the prequels) is better than a 2 so if it’'s what you honestly feel then give it that 3. It’s better for the writers to hear about the good things and better scores.

True. Then I need help figuring out WTF to do with Finn.

EDIT: I made the post more comprehensible lol

I’m not saying the stuff with Luke/Leia was bad, regarding the point of ROTS. I’m just saying it’s bad because of the fact how redundant it feels. PT conclusion is with the hope that Luke/Leia will end the Empire. OT conclusion is Luke/Leia bringing down the Empire. The ST conclusion with yet another birth of a kid or kids being done twice in a saga doesn’t sound exciting.

Green is not a creative color said:
EDIT: PLOT TWIST: Reylo is necessary so that Rey is a Skywalker since she will be the wife of a Solo and mother to a Solo.

Not a fan because the whole point of TLJ was to reveal that you don’t need to be tied some special heroic family in order to be special. If that’s the resolution of IX, that Rey and Ben have a child, it reaches to the parallels of Revenge of the Sith (the birth of the twins will be the spark of Hope for the much needed Rebellion ~20 years later).

Also, I seriously don’t want any romance done in IX because they really messed up any potential for that to happen without feeling sudden and forced out of nowhere given very little chemistry and romantic development happened at all. I don’t buy Rose and Finn at all, and Finn’s “WTF” face tells it all when he’s kissed by Rose.

The real goal of IX shouldn’t rely on romance/fan-shipping to reach a conclusion. It should be, ideally, Rey carving a new path for a new Jedi Order. This time around, she would had studied the ancient teachings of the Jedi in order to learn the rules in order to break them and synthesize these views into an evolutionary understanding of what means to be a Jedi. I have no clue where that leaves the rest of the characters like Kylo, Finn, Rose, Leia, and Poe, but the main focus should be how to craft an evolved Jedi Order.

Collipso said:

Another nitpicky thing: why was Luke alive? If he wanted to die, honestly, why didn’t he just kill himself? Like, really, it took him a long while to decide that he should do something worthwhile.
“I came here to die” well just jump from the cliff buddy you’ll be dead in 5 sec!! It would have been the easiest way for the Jedi to end and etc. (and this is actually a very serious matter)

That question has been on my mind as well, but I was surprised to see no one bring it up until now. He came there to die… and yet he’s busy trying to… survive? Definitely lost on me.

IMO, Snoke manipulating Luke too just sounds even worse and doesn’t really fix much. It makes Luke sound even weaker, to let him become a puppet to Snoke.
The Luke issues stem from not enough background to Ben’s training and how he fell closer to the dark side.

Disney Ruined Star Wars said:

I think there is a difference between someone who is defeated and broken, and someone who has just turned into a cynical IDGAF asshole.

Seeing his whole academy up in flames and not being able to save the students that were slaughtered by your own nephew I think would mess with your head for sure. Kylo Ren did basically leave him defeated. I also don’t think there’s a distinct difference where the two traits can’t be mutually exclusive. Luke’s defeat at the academy would lead to that cynicism. “Ha! The great Jedi Master Luke, the legend himself, couldn’t succeed in restoring the Jedi Order!” and “The Jedi teachings have led to the galaxy’s greatest threats, so what’s the point?”

Granted, I’m not saying this was written well in TLJ, in fact, they tried to sell Luke rather poorly, but I think the concept was great.

Disney Ruined Star Wars said:

TavorX said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

TavorX said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

I haven’t seen TLJ and won’t, and the same will hold true for the Han Solo movie and Ep. IX. People are free to doubt my commitment if they so wish; the world will go on regardless.

What made you avoid this film? After seeing TFA? After the trailer for TLJ? The reviews?

Reviews and general spoilers. Luke is my favourite SW character, and honestly his characterization in ROTJ – the promise that he would go on to recreate the Jedi Order – is essentially the only major thing I liked from that film. It’s bad enough that TFA introduced the concept that Luke’s nascent Jedi Order was eradicated by his own nephew, but I could’ve lived with it if Luke kept his head up and kept on truckin’. Instead he runs off to hide and wallow in self pity while the galaxy deteriorates in his absence. To me that is complete and utter character assassination; I refuse to dignify the movie’s existence by watching it.

Yeah that’s a pretty fair reason. Even though I’ve defended a bit in this thread of Luke’s portrayal in TLJ, I still think there’s a stronger case for criticizing how they did Luke here. A broken Luke totally sounds interesting to me, and it’s something I didn’t even think I wanted until I saw TLJ, but they really didn’t make the story flow right to sell the idea, sadly.

I don’t think Luke was broken in this movie though. It was more like he just said screw everything, it’s all lies, I hate all of this stuff. Bye.

Uhh
All those things sound like someone that lost it, psychologically, to me.

Mike O said:

-The ability to erase memories. If I could get rid of the ones that started this whole snowballing mess, I might not be in such a dark place.
-Peace of mind.
-A job which doesn’t make me beg for death.
-The courage to make some changes, any changes, which could improve my life.
-The balls to listen to my therapists when they give me good advice.
-My passions back. I feel so numb to the world. I used to voraciously devour so much of what I love. Now I can barely muster the energy to do things.
-The ability to stabilize my crisis of faith and be comfortable around religion like I used to instead of having it trigger these attacks.
-The chance to see my family and give them my gifts (I’ll actually be getting this!).

I’m really not want for any material things, thigh I can think of some I’d like. I’d much prefer to have spiritual comfort, a little serenity, and the ability to control my own thoughts again, and the courage to fix my life. Though I would like the technical knowhow to burn myself those Despecialized Blu-rays 😉.

PS: Can I have a personal gibbering Minion?

You echo some of my desires and anguish. Though cliche to say it, never let the dim lights, or lack thereof, color your perception of the world for good. A certain set of circumstances and events have led to the person you are right now. A certain set of circumstances will continue to happen, some with faint impact, and some with major currents to affect how your life will guide towards; for the best or for the worst. Nevertheless, it’s my honest and humble opinion it’s worth suffering in order to truly appreciate the goodness in the world. Always a new experience to have, always a new person to meet, and always a new nugget of wisdom to taste (and swallow if so desired). Perhaps nothing is clicking, and nothing is giving way at the speed you would like; but think of these obstacles as weak dams. Eventually it has to give to the flow of the water. It has to give when enough is enough. It doesn’t mean such occasion will guarantee everything will be fine forever, but every bit helps nudge towards that serenity you seek.

I only say it with bias as someone that chose a decision, for the better, that I never thought I’d do, but sometimes something just snaps in the face of staleness and drone of life, and perhaps it’s necessary to feel that state of an unbalanced spirit, to feel the slow slog of life, so that you can truly enjoy the joy of change you wanted and earned.

DuracellEnergizer said:

TavorX said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

I haven’t seen TLJ and won’t, and the same will hold true for the Han Solo movie and Ep. IX. People are free to doubt my commitment if they so wish; the world will go on regardless.

What made you avoid this film? After seeing TFA? After the trailer for TLJ? The reviews?

Reviews and general spoilers. Luke is my favourite SW character, and honestly his characterization in ROTJ – the promise that he would go on to recreate the Jedi Order – is essentially the only major thing I liked from that film. It’s bad enough that TFA introduced the concept that Luke’s nascent Jedi Order was eradicated by his own nephew, but I could’ve lived with it if Luke kept his head up and kept on truckin’. Instead he runs off to hide and wallow in self pity while the galaxy deteriorates in his absence. To me that is complete and utter character assassination; I refuse to dignify the movie’s existence by watching it.

Yeah that’s a pretty fair reason. Even though I’ve defended a bit in this thread of Luke’s portrayal in TLJ, I still think there’s a stronger case for criticizing how they did Luke here. A broken Luke totally sounds interesting to me, and it’s something I didn’t even think I wanted until I saw TLJ, but they really didn’t make the story flow right to sell the idea, sadly.

While that is an interesting thought to consider, that Kylo is Rey’s teacher, I’m not sold on why she at one point wants to kill Kylo and in another instance wants to save Kylo. Like really, I’m asking why? What is the motivation to go through all this effort? What makes her change her mind so easily throughout the movie?
“You are a MONSTER!”
“Yes, I am!”
"…"
“Okay let’s take Snoke out together like besties mmkay?”

Luke wanting to redeem Vader makes sense because there’s a personal, family, connection. Rey and Kylo have to be opposites for a reason, and Rey has to want to save Kylo for a reason. I see nothing noteworthy as to why without it being a boring good vs evil tale about saving friends.